England V India cricket

England V India cricket

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Testaburger

3,674 posts

197 months

Monday 20th August 2018
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Gargamel said:


For whatever reason, we are too prone to headless collapses when wickets start to fall.
This is very true. Once a couple of wickets fall, you’d be willing to place a bet that we’ll be bowling be the end of the following session.

I don’t know if the sheer volume of limited overs cricket these days has altered the mindset of our batting lineup, but it seems we’re our own biggest enemy now.

Gargamel

14,957 posts

260 months

Monday 20th August 2018
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Testaburger said:
This is very true. Once a couple of wickets fall, you’d be willing to place a bet that we’ll be bowling be the end of the following session.

I don’t know if the sheer volume of limited overs cricket these days has altered the mindset of our batting lineup, but it seems we’re our own biggest enemy now.
I am not sure - it goes back a while. I used to regularly accuse Ian Bell of this, very few times he walked in at 5 and stopped the rot, usually he just added to the general sense of panic.

Bairstow has done better (in my opinion) in terms of steadying the ship and making late order partnerships. But without a '"proper"' four we will have this problem. Ideally Root would carry on at four. But it is all kind of irrelevant f you four is batting in the 5 - 10th over. They should be coming in 25th over + with 100 on the scoreboard - at least 50% of the time.

Much as I hated Trott as a bat, the antithesis of what I like about cricket. he gave a certain solidity to the top 3. Strauss, Cook (then) and Trott was a strong line up. It was usually middle order collapses then

Now we seem able to fold all the way down.

Pope might be the answer, he needs 10 matches to work it out. Cook has to go in my opinion, the team cannot move on with him there. Whilst he is a good lad, and been fantastic for England, he isn't performing. His slipping is nowhere near the standards he set 10 years ago.

TorqueDirty

1,500 posts

218 months

Monday 20th August 2018
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I'd be surprised if we see Bairstow with a bat in his hand any time soon after that injury. Looked excruciating.

Hope it is not as bad as it appears to be.


FiF

43,960 posts

250 months

Monday 20th August 2018
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India to bat until tea and then let rip?

zygalski

7,759 posts

144 months

Monday 20th August 2018
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FiF said:
India to bat until tea and then let rip?
They should put us in half an hour before tea.

Gargamel

14,957 posts

260 months

Monday 20th August 2018
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zygalski said:
They should put us in half an hour before tea.
Let's face it they could put us in now and win by a 150.




Murph7355

37,648 posts

255 months

Monday 20th August 2018
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zygalski said:
FiF said:
India to bat until tea and then let rip?
They should put us in half an hour before tea.
That's probably what I'd do. Though to be honest, with a flat pitch they might have more joy letting us have a few sandwiches and then go at it.

Shambles of a display by us thus far. And cannot say I'm surprised.

Root will then go and get all upset at the pelters he gets, stick up for the Stokes/Curran discussion and we'll get a result at Lords.

snake_oil

2,039 posts

74 months

Monday 20th August 2018
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Murph7355 said:
....and we'll get a result at Lords.
We already did.

Gargamel

14,957 posts

260 months

Monday 20th August 2018
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Great Article here, which puts it far better than I can

http://www.espncricinfo.com/story/_/id/24418388/al...

TheAngryDog

12,394 posts

208 months

Monday 20th August 2018
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521 to win. We might get the 21.

spikeyhead

17,222 posts

196 months

Monday 20th August 2018
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Six more sessions, 83 per session, what can possibly go wrong?

thegreenhell

15,110 posts

218 months

Monday 20th August 2018
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TheAngryDog said:
521 to win. We might get the 21.
Tricky final session survived without loss, and the deficit now below 500. I think we're in with a shout here lads! hehe

FiF

43,960 posts

250 months

Monday 20th August 2018
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thegreenhell said:
TheAngryDog said:
521 to win. We might get the 21.
Tricky final session survived without loss, and the deficit now below 500. I think we're in with a shout here lads! hehe
Yep, and Huddersfield Town will be playing in Europe next season. Triumph of hope over something.

zygalski

7,759 posts

144 months

Tuesday 21st August 2018
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I'd be amazed if we get much past 200.
Scoreboard pressure, good bowling conditions & an attacking field...

TheAngryDog

12,394 posts

208 months

Tuesday 21st August 2018
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Our mentality will stop us winning this game. We need Boycs to come in and score 12 runs but bat all day.

TheAngryDog

12,394 posts

208 months

Tuesday 21st August 2018
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Jennings cannot play in the rest of the series. He is just not good enough.

TheAngryDog

12,394 posts

208 months

Tuesday 21st August 2018
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Cook's goose should be cooked. He isn't test standard anymore. Cannot catch and cannot bat.

nicanary

9,749 posts

145 months

Tuesday 21st August 2018
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TheAngryDog said:
Our mentality will stop us winning this game. We need Boycs to come in and score 12 runs but bat all day.
It can be done, except not by this lot. (I'm hoping now that I'm proved wrong......)

Just think of Atherton at Joburg. Mental strength and a high level of ability, that's all.

thegreenhell

15,110 posts

218 months

Tuesday 21st August 2018
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I get the feeling that they'll keep selecting Cook until he decides to retire, rather than dropping him.

Who have we got waiting in the wings to take his place?

arfursleep

818 posts

103 months

Tuesday 21st August 2018
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TheAngryDog said:
Jennings cannot play in the rest of the series. He is just not good enough.
The missed catch off Anderson's bowling yesterday was appalling, nowhere near the ball! Jimmy's head in hands despair said it all. I really hope he apologised afterwards.

he needed to come out and bat all day and rack up a big score to make amends, instead he just hung his bat out to a leave ball (high and wide of stumps)