Mixed Martial Arts Training Thread (Not UFC etc...)
Discussion
Tony Angelino said:
Due to lack of numbers at our club this week I did a boxing class, really enjoyed this although the class itself was more fitness based and coming on the back of a no gi grappling class it took its toll on a fat lad with asthma and arthritis
What I did realise is what Mike Tyson said is absolutely correct - 'everybody has a plan until they get punched in the face'. I'm by no means a boxer whatsoever but I have done a couple of years of karate semi contact point fighting and this seemed to stand me in brilliant stead whilst sparring in the class. This was after 50 mins or so training with a fella who was absolutely knocking the pony out of the focus mats with me holding them, I was amazed how many shots I landed on him whilst eating very, very few myself. My trouble was, the shots I were landing where just love taps with no power at all - I just couldn't hit hard whatsoever.
i've trained a bit of general mma and a bit of muay thai but i'm a boxing man through and through....been at it for 25 years now....it is quite worrying that to come from no boxing experience the class tutor allowed sparring at all mate.. it's even more worrying hearing you talk about landing multiple shots on an opponent without being able to punch hard ( implying you were trying to)... this sounds like a very carelessly operated class mate and i worry that if unregulated to such a degree you could end up either getting hurt or hurting someone. at a beginner level you should be drilling basic combos to each others gloves at the very most. sparring at such a stage is madness.What I did realise is what Mike Tyson said is absolutely correct - 'everybody has a plan until they get punched in the face'. I'm by no means a boxer whatsoever but I have done a couple of years of karate semi contact point fighting and this seemed to stand me in brilliant stead whilst sparring in the class. This was after 50 mins or so training with a fella who was absolutely knocking the pony out of the focus mats with me holding them, I was amazed how many shots I landed on him whilst eating very, very few myself. My trouble was, the shots I were landing where just love taps with no power at all - I just couldn't hit hard whatsoever.
to put it into context i started training under john lloyd at kirkby ABC (of john conte and paul hodkinson fame) before moving to long lane ABC 12 months later...in that first year i didn't have one full contact spar. we moved round a bit and had "tech" spars...but at such an early stage full contact sparring simply wasn't on the cards. it was almost 6 months into my training at long lane that i engaged in "fight conditions" sparring..and that wasn't all the time.
if you're a bit of an old fart like me
i think it's even more important to grade into it slowly mate...if you're anything like me you will hold a full force punch to the face a bit better when you are 20 years younger!...and don't get me started on back, elbow and shoulder injuries
Edited by tuscaneer on Tuesday 13th November 11:28
Trained Muay Thai from 2002 to 2012, quite a few of interclub style fights (40+), professional fight. Took a short sabbatical from work (couple of months in 2008-2009) and stopped at the WMC camp in Samui Thailand. Never got into the MMA side of things, it never appealed to me.
The sport takes over though; lack of social life, relationships and eating habits. I scrutinised everything I ate; however, this helped me get into cooking so not such a bad thing and I still walk round at 64kg a few couple of kg more than what I fought at. At a few months of being 40 that’s not too bad!
Previously to Muay Thai, I had shown an interest in boxing and went to my local club on and off (some good fighters came from that club, including Martin Murray). Now I do conditioning 4 mornings a week and box once a week at another good St. Helens boxers gym. Good to spar and train, especially with the young hungry boxers. Road work is limited to summer now as I can feel it in my knees running in colder weather, my hands also feel it now.
It is hard to fit things around family life, but I think it’s important to keep discipline, both eating and turning up to train even when I don't want to!
The sport takes over though; lack of social life, relationships and eating habits. I scrutinised everything I ate; however, this helped me get into cooking so not such a bad thing and I still walk round at 64kg a few couple of kg more than what I fought at. At a few months of being 40 that’s not too bad!
Previously to Muay Thai, I had shown an interest in boxing and went to my local club on and off (some good fighters came from that club, including Martin Murray). Now I do conditioning 4 mornings a week and box once a week at another good St. Helens boxers gym. Good to spar and train, especially with the young hungry boxers. Road work is limited to summer now as I can feel it in my knees running in colder weather, my hands also feel it now.
It is hard to fit things around family life, but I think it’s important to keep discipline, both eating and turning up to train even when I don't want to!
Tickle said:
Trained Muay Thai from 2002 to 2012, quite a few of interclub style fights (40+), professional fight. Took a short sabbatical from work (couple of months in 2008-2009) and stopped at the WMC camp in Samui Thailand. Never got into the MMA side of things, it never appealed to me.
The sport takes over though; lack of social life, relationships and eating habits. I scrutinised everything I ate; however, this helped me get into cooking so not such a bad thing and I still walk round at 64kg a few couple of kg more than what I fought at. At a few months of being 40 that’s not too bad!
Previously to Muay Thai, I had shown an interest in boxing and went to my local club on and off (some good fighters came from that club, including Martin Murray). Now I do conditioning 4 mornings a week and box once a week at another good St. Helens boxers gym. Good to spar and train, especially with the young hungry boxers. Road work is limited to summer now as I can feel it in my knees running in colder weather, my hands also feel it now.
It is hard to fit things around family life, but I think it’s important to keep discipline, both eating and turning up to train even when I don't want to!
it definitely does take over your life if you want to be any good at it, this is what soon weeds out those that think they want to be fighters.The sport takes over though; lack of social life, relationships and eating habits. I scrutinised everything I ate; however, this helped me get into cooking so not such a bad thing and I still walk round at 64kg a few couple of kg more than what I fought at. At a few months of being 40 that’s not too bad!
Previously to Muay Thai, I had shown an interest in boxing and went to my local club on and off (some good fighters came from that club, including Martin Murray). Now I do conditioning 4 mornings a week and box once a week at another good St. Helens boxers gym. Good to spar and train, especially with the young hungry boxers. Road work is limited to summer now as I can feel it in my knees running in colder weather, my hands also feel it now.
It is hard to fit things around family life, but I think it’s important to keep discipline, both eating and turning up to train even when I don't want to!
The problem with the disciplined diet side of things for me was that it made me miserable and often quite ill, I actually make more testosterone now at 35 than I did at 25 as I'm no longer over training and under eating
How did you find training in Thailand? I went out twice to train and quite enjoyed it, though I found the methods for pure Thai training quite primitive, it really was a case of absolutely wrecking yourself in every session. I had a funny moment when I was asked to spar one of their pro's, which I reluctantly accepted (I had been watching him and a few other smash the hell out of each other) I went to put shin pads on and was gestured to that this wasn't allowed, so even more reluctantly I agreed to continue without shins, then when he threw his first leg kick i moved out of the way. At this point i was given a demo of how you 'should do it' by them basically taking it in turns to smash each others legs, this just isn't for me
BRR said:
it definitely does take over your life if you want to be any good at it, this is what soon weeds out those that think they want to be fighters.
The problem with the disciplined diet side of things for me was that it made me miserable and often quite ill, I actually make more testosterone now at 35 than I did at 25 as I'm no longer over training and under eating
How did you find training in Thailand? I went out twice to train and quite enjoyed it, though I found the methods for pure Thai training quite primitive, it really was a case of absolutely wrecking yourself in every session. I had a funny moment when I was asked to spar one of their pro's, which I reluctantly accepted (I had been watching him and a few other smash the hell out of each other) I went to put shin pads on and was gestured to that this wasn't allowed, so even more reluctantly I agreed to continue without shins, then when he threw his first leg kick i moved out of the way. At this point i was given a demo of how you 'should do it' by them basically taking it in turns to smash each others legs, this just isn't for me
Fully agree on the eating side, making weight is horrible. I got acne at the age of 27, never had it as a teenager. I was just rundown so much. From a physical side you are fit; however, from a healthy side probably not!The problem with the disciplined diet side of things for me was that it made me miserable and often quite ill, I actually make more testosterone now at 35 than I did at 25 as I'm no longer over training and under eating
How did you find training in Thailand? I went out twice to train and quite enjoyed it, though I found the methods for pure Thai training quite primitive, it really was a case of absolutely wrecking yourself in every session. I had a funny moment when I was asked to spar one of their pro's, which I reluctantly accepted (I had been watching him and a few other smash the hell out of each other) I went to put shin pads on and was gestured to that this wasn't allowed, so even more reluctantly I agreed to continue without shins, then when he threw his first leg kick i moved out of the way. At this point i was given a demo of how you 'should do it' by them basically taking it in turns to smash each others legs, this just isn't for me
Training in Thailand was a contrast from the UK. Over here (unless it's your sole income) you have to train around work/family. In Thailand we trained for two hours in the morning and two hours in the evening, four hours training in the UK would be generally over 2 to 4 days. The training was based on lots of drill work, mainly because you had time to work on one thing to perfect it and make it more second nature/natural. Sparing was always good as there was so many different styles, loads of lads from different parts of the world (as well as Thai's).
One thing that was annoying was travelers/backpackers coming to the gym to train. Not the individuals but the Thai trainers would always partner you up with them if you could hold pads. I guess they just got fed up with them coming in once or twice and going on their way. Frustrating if you were there to fight train, but once it happened once you could avoid them.
I'm doing BJJ but I pay for 2 classes a week and some weeks due to night shifts cant make the 2 classes so have been making them up with Kick boxing, sweating buckets after a kick boxing session a lot more than BJJ.
I took a knee full force to the teeth the other week (luckily my custom guard saved my teeth) next day at Kick Boxing took a preety heavy punch to mouth/nose.
I'm actually enjoying the kick boxing though learning new stuff.
I took a knee full force to the teeth the other week (luckily my custom guard saved my teeth) next day at Kick Boxing took a preety heavy punch to mouth/nose.
I'm actually enjoying the kick boxing though learning new stuff.
AJB88 said:
I'm doing BJJ but I pay for 2 classes a week and some weeks due to night shifts cant make the 2 classes so have been making them up with Kick boxing, sweating buckets after a kick boxing session a lot more than BJJ.
I took a knee full force to the teeth the other week (luckily my custom guard saved my teeth) next day at Kick Boxing took a preety heavy punch to mouth/nose.
I'm actually enjoying the kick boxing though learning new stuff.
Definitely a good idea to always wear a gum shieldI took a knee full force to the teeth the other week (luckily my custom guard saved my teeth) next day at Kick Boxing took a preety heavy punch to mouth/nose.
I'm actually enjoying the kick boxing though learning new stuff.
I'm surprised the kickboxing has you loads more sweaty than BJJ, do you not roll / wrestle much in the BJJ classes?
Sa Calobra said:
I've identified a local BJJ place that I want to use but their beginner classes now have a waiting list (it's popular).
So I'm having a one to one class today to assess my skill. A couple of these and I might jump up.
My once every two week Judo lesson is too far apart.
The BJJ should compliment your Judo well, impressive that the club has a waiting list, we're happy if our classes are more than half fullSo I'm having a one to one class today to assess my skill. A couple of these and I might jump up.
My once every two week Judo lesson is too far apart.
Sa Calobra said:
I've identified a local BJJ place that I want to use but their beginner classes now have a waiting list (it's popular).
So I'm having a one to one class today to assess my skill. A couple of these and I might jump up.
My once every two week Judo lesson is too far apart.
Which club is that? So I'm having a one to one class today to assess my skill. A couple of these and I might jump up.
My once every two week Judo lesson is too far apart.
One 2Hr Judo session isn't enough for me. I'm going to try to squeeze another in every 2 weeks.
BRR said:
Definitely a good idea to always wear a gum shield
I'm surprised the kickboxing has you loads more sweaty than BJJ, do you not roll / wrestle much in the BJJ classes?
Yeh we do 30 mins after techniques but I usually end up pinned to the mat by over aggressive white/blue belts who are bigger than me haha.I'm surprised the kickboxing has you loads more sweaty than BJJ, do you not roll / wrestle much in the BJJ classes?
AJB88 said:
Yeh we do 30 mins after techniques but I usually end up pinned to the mat by over aggressive white/blue belts who are bigger than me haha.
getting pinned in BJJ sucks, definitely a lot harder to escape in the Gi, i personally find that position the most tiring though as I have to continuously keep working to escape
Pete102 said:
Had a little nap last night, courtesy of a Bow and Arrow choke I left too long before attempting to escape.
Best sleep ever.
Nice! what did it feel like? The lads at our place who have gone nighty night have said it feels like your out for ages but in reality its only a few seconds.Best sleep ever.
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I had a great session at Judo this evening.
Being coached on a couple of arm locks and chokes, plenty of rolling in which I managed to take my time to gain better control than I have previously and even managed to utilise the arm locks on the less skilled people.
In the second, heavier, hour of the session sparring on the knees and some randori in which I moved better than I had previously and even attempted some throws -before being beaten up.
Having people resisting is very good for improving, it makes you think, everybody has a different style, and it is great exercise.
I like that the club does a good mix of ground fighting and standing.
Being coached on a couple of arm locks and chokes, plenty of rolling in which I managed to take my time to gain better control than I have previously and even managed to utilise the arm locks on the less skilled people.
In the second, heavier, hour of the session sparring on the knees and some randori in which I moved better than I had previously and even attempted some throws -before being beaten up.
Having people resisting is very good for improving, it makes you think, everybody has a different style, and it is great exercise.
I like that the club does a good mix of ground fighting and standing.
Edited by MC Bodge on Thursday 22 November 21:46
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