The **BOXING** thread (Vol 3)

[hyphen]

Boxing scene has spoken to Kownacki's manager. He has ruled him out to step in against Joshua.

Al Haymon is already in middle of arranging a summer fight for him, speculation that it could be against Wilder on Fox or Showtime.

[EddieSteadyGo]

hyphen said:

Boxing scene has spoken to Kownacki's manager. He has ruled him out to step in against Joshua.

Al Haymon is already in middle of arranging a summer fight for him, speculation that it could be against Wilder on Fox or Showtime.

Interesting. Just as aside, Whyte is speculating today that Kownacki is likely taking the same substances as Miller. Just thought I would throw that in there...

[StuTheGrouch]

Amirhussain said:

Is Audley Harrison still around?

Come on, no-one was ever a fan but we don't want him to get killed!

[hyphen]

So, Crawford Khan Ring walk 3am Sunday.


Good luck to Khan, would be an amazing win if he managed it. But can't help fearing it will be very one sided.

[StuTheGrouch]

hyphen said:

So, Crawford Khan Ring walk 3am Sunday.


Good luck to Khan, would be an amazing win if he managed it. But can't help fearing it will be very one sided.

Khan is getting soundly battered. Crawford is on another level, and I place him only second behind Lomachenko as the P4P best fighter.

This isn't getting anywhere near a points decision, but if it does i'd be surprised if Khan wins a round.

[FredClogs]

StuTheGrouch said:

Khan is getting soundly battered. Crawford is on another level, and I place him only second behind Lomachenko as the P4P best fighter.

This isn't getting anywhere near a points decision, but if it does i'd be surprised if Khan wins a round.

Amir Khan can and will win round against anyone in the world, even when he's not at his best, but I agree he'll probably get knocked out second half of the fight... But you never know, its a funny old game and a 100% Khan like the one who beat Maidana would give anyone in the division a hard night.

[EddieSteadyGo]

StuTheGrouch said:

Khan is getting soundly battered. Crawford is on another level, and I place him only second behind Lomachenko as the P4P best fighter.

In my mind, I agree Crawford is the real deal.

A good yardstick was Crawford vs Viktor Postol. Whilst it went to points, it was a dominant win for Crawford. And Postol is a very good fighter.

In comparison, Josh Taylor faced Postol last year, and Taylor is a talent (he is the one who made Ohara Davies quit). And whilst Taylor won, again on points, it was far from a convincing win helped with a bit of home-side scoring.

I think Khan has lost a good percentage of that blistering hand speed that he used to have a few years ago and which made him such a threat.

So my guess is for a Crawford points win. I don't think Crawford will win by KO for a simple reason - Khan will box to a game plan.

If he gets out of this fight with a respectable points loss, he will be very attractive to the other champions, like Spence. That will also give Khan options and good leverage to get a very good deal from Sky/Matchroom for the Brook fight.

Khan has the name recognition in the US market already, so rather like Broner, it doesn't really matter if he wins or loses now, as long as he doesn't get completely annihilated.

[hyphen]

EddieSteadyGo said:

...Khan will box to a game plan....

Not too sure about that, he comes across as pretty stubborn in this interview from 6 days ago.

Interviewer suggests that Khan shouldn't be trading, Khan keepsreplying about how important it is that he show some balls.. He also suggests he posseses ring IQ "I will realise what I need to in the fight itself"

Amir, listen to Virgil for gods sakes

Although he does say not if late on and up on points which is something.

https://youtu.be/RbNexrUkN7c?t=178

Edited by hyphen on Friday 19th April 21:35

[EddieSteadyGo]

hyphen said:

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Not too sure about that, he comes across as pretty stubborn in this interview from 6 days ago.

I agree he has done this previously. And so your conclusion is logical.

But as we know, boxing is a business. And Khan is never going to be the unified champion at this point in time. He has maybe 1 or 2 fights left, so he needs the maximum amount of money from these last few fights.

So the best business decision, at this point in his career, is to lose by points decision. He will still be a name in the US and still be a draw, which will make him attractive to other fighters (i.e. great name, not much danger).

Not long to wait and see who is right.

[hyphen]

EddieSteadyGo said:

So the best business decision, at this point in his career, is to lose by points decision.

Is he thinking that way though? I believe him when he says that he thinks he is the best.

Many boxers will happily fight to a loss for the money, but Khan has a lot of pride and 'legacy' and how people will remember him appears to mean a lot ot him. He seems the type who will fight into a coma than surrender.

[biggbn]

Rumours..Crawford not as dedicated as once was, falling in love with the pound for pound myth.

Other intangibles...we know Khan is potentially fragile. Crawford can also be hurt and can look unmotivated in some fights.


I don't think this is the one sided beat down most have it, Khan is bigger and is the best fighter Crawford will have fought by a country Mile.

I also have Crawford at top of the pound for pound and all things being equal he wins this comfortable, but they rarely are equal in the fight game

[Davos123]

My prediction is glass chin goes down for the count in the 3rd.

[EddieSteadyGo]

hyphen said:

Is he thinking that way though? I believe him when he says that he thinks he is the best.

Many boxers will happily fight to a loss for the money, but Khan has a lot of pride and 'legacy' and how people will remember him appears to mean a lot ot him. He seems the type who will fight into a coma than surrender.

Personally, I think you have to ignore everything a fighter or promoter says when trying to figure out what is really happening. He knows he isn't the best now. Can you imagine Crawford or Spence going life or death with Samuel Vargas?

And, being harsh, if he was bothered about pride he wouldn't go onto Skype giving webcam wks to strangers.

Being serious though, my feeling is that he has a smart management team behind him. And he seems to listen and trust what they say.

So, my prediction is a loss by points decision. Reputation intact. Live to fight for another (pay) day. Then lots of talk about Brook or possibly one of the US champions like Spence, played off against each other until he gets the best possible deal.

[hyphen]

Millers second test failed Thursday and then a third test also failed last night according to ESPNs Rafael.

Blood test revealed human growth hormones (only detectable for 24 hours after use, so Vada surprised him).

A urine sample returned positive results for two additional banned substances. EPO, which increases the oxygen-carrying capacity of blood, which would help a fighter from showing fatigue late in a fight, and GW1516, which an athlete might use to assist in fat loss or as an endurance booster.

Miller has now admitted it, apologized to fans on social media saying he messed up.

Unusual for a boxer to own up, why can't he say Wild Boar like everyone else!!

Whyte replied to Millers post on social media, called him a fat st

Edited by hyphen on Saturday 20th April 07:11

[EddieSteadyGo]

hyphen said:

Millers second test failed Thursday and then a third test also failed last night according to ESPNs Rafael.

Blood test revealed human growth hormones (only detectable for 24 hours after use, so Vada surprised him).

A urine sample returned positive results for two additional banned substances. EPO, which increases the oxygen-carrying capacity of blood, which would help a fighter from showing fatigue late in a fight, and GW1516, which an athlete might use to assist in fat loss or as an endurance booster.

Miller has now admitted it, apologized to fans on social media saying he messed up.

Unusual for a boxer to own up, why can't he say Wild Boar like everyone else!!

Whyte replied to Millers post on social media, called him a fat st

After taking this cocktail of drugs, I'm guessing he will dead at 50.

Hard to see a way back for him. After all, if you take away his superhuman endurance, what did he actually have going for him?

The ironic thing is Hearn keeps going on about Joshua being clean, which is why he insists on VADA testing etc etc. Except Whyte blew the whistle yesterday by suggesting Joshua has a long list of therapeutic use exemptions (TUEs) where his doctor will have said he has a "medical need" but the drug he then takes will just happen to have the side effect of aiding his performance.

And the other point which Whyte exposed a few weeks ago - he implied Joshua is using PEDs between formal camps. Because he isn't tested during those periods, he can use PEDs with no chance of getting caught.

Personally, I can see the needs for TUEs, but I believe they should be made public and open to scrutiny.

[272BHP]

EddieSteadyGo said:

After taking this cocktail of drugs, I'm guessing he will dead at 50.

He isn't taking anything particularly damaging to health and I bet most of the top fighters in the heavyweight division are on much, much more.

The difference is that the top guys can afford to pay someone to manage their levels while someone like Miller will be listening to less than reliable advice and messing up.

[272BHP]

EddieSteadyGo said:

After taking this cocktail of drugs, I'm guessing he will dead at 50.

He is not taking anything particularly damaging to health. The top guys in the division will be likely doing much, much more.

The difference is that the top guys can afford to have someone manage that side of the business to make sure the fighters stay on the right side of the line.

[EddieSteadyGo]

272BHP said:

He is not taking anything particularly damaging to health.

Think we will have to agree to disagree on that one.

The first drug he tested positive for was abandoned by GlaxoSmithKline as it was shown to cause cancer in mice. Albeit it was also shown to cause dramatic improvements in physical performance....

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GW501516

[jules_s]

Arghh this bloody Chisora fight

So bloody negative

[BigMacDaddy]

Yeah wasn't great was it?
Not sure why Gashi even bothered coming out, would have had more respect for him if he'd just stayed on his stool.