The **BOXING** thread (Vol 3)
Discussion
justice_ said:
Seems a little too convenient to take him out of contention for a title shot..
I highly doubt UKAD would be complicit in something so nefarious.Far more likely is that, if it is true that the A-sample has tested positive, Whyte wanted to ensure he came through against Rivas so he would be able to collect a massive pay-day fighting for the WBC title.
We must now be getting to the point where all of the top fighters are thinking, "everyone is doing it, so if I don't do it, I can't win". Hearn is even saying in his recent interviews that performance-enhancing drug taking is now rife amongst American boxers. Bearing in mind how damaging such an admission is for the sport, he is unlikely to be exaggerating.
I read this morning that the WBC are probably going to elevate Wilder to the title of 'franchise champion' and install someone else as 'heavyweight champion'.
This would mean Wilder would not have to face any mandatories and Whyte's mandatory shot would be at the lower belt.
Seriously, what the f
k?
This would mean Wilder would not have to face any mandatories and Whyte's mandatory shot would be at the lower belt.
Seriously, what the f
k?snake_oil said:
I read this morning that the WBC are probably going to elevate Wilder to the title of 'franchise champion' and install someone else as 'heavyweight champion'.
This would mean Wilder would not have to face any mandatories and Whyte's mandatory shot would be at the lower belt.
Seriously, what the fk?
They have done it already with Canelo. It is similar to the WBA's "regular champion" and "super champion". This would mean Wilder would not have to face any mandatories and Whyte's mandatory shot would be at the lower belt.
Seriously, what the f
k?Whilst there is probably some PR explanation from the WBC, I think the real logic is to protect their cash-cows by giving them more flexibility as to who and when they fight.
Ultimately I can see Wilder offering Whyte the fight as a "voluntary" so they keep more control over rematch clauses etc (assuming he is still the champion later next year).
FredClogs said:
Was Rivas told before the fight Whyte was pissing hot?
Think we can answer that as a no. https://twitter.com/MichaelBensonn/status/11543639...
We do need to know the results of the B-sample and also wait to hear any explanation from Whyte and Hearn.
But if Matchroom knew, and decided not to say anything on the basis it could have affected their PPV buys and possibly even created a pressure to cancel the fight (given all of Hearn's previous hypocritical statements on the matter of doping), it would be a dark day indeed for Matchroom.
The next question is did Adam Smith and Sky know before the fight went ahead?
EddieSteadyGo said:
FredClogs said:
Was Rivas told before the fight Whyte was pissing hot?
Think we can answer that as a no. https://twitter.com/MichaelBensonn/status/11543639...
We do need to know the results of the B-sample and also wait to hear any explanation from Whyte and Hearn.
But if Matchroom knew, and decided not to say anything on the basis it could have affected their PPV buys and possibly even created a pressure to cancel the fight (given all of Hearn's previous hypocritical statements on the matter of doping), it would be a dark day indeed for Matchroom.
The next question is did Adam Smith and Sky know before the fight went ahead?
EddieSteadyGo said:
Think we can answer that as a no.
https://twitter.com/MichaelBensonn/status/11543639...
We do need to know the results of the B-sample and also wait to hear any explanation from Whyte and Hearn.
But if Matchroom knew, and decided not to say anything on the basis it could have affected their PPV buys and possibly even created a pressure to cancel the fight (given all of Hearn's previous hypocritical statements on the matter of doping), it would be a dark day indeed for Matchroom.
The next question is did Adam Smith and Sky know before the fight went ahead?
Just Wow.https://twitter.com/MichaelBensonn/status/11543639...
We do need to know the results of the B-sample and also wait to hear any explanation from Whyte and Hearn.
But if Matchroom knew, and decided not to say anything on the basis it could have affected their PPV buys and possibly even created a pressure to cancel the fight (given all of Hearn's previous hypocritical statements on the matter of doping), it would be a dark day indeed for Matchroom.
The next question is did Adam Smith and Sky know before the fight went ahead?
Matchroom and any other parties knew it would become public, so clearly the lawyers were brought into a room and the worst case scenario deemed acceptable.
Just wait to see Hearn use some kind of slippery language to avoid taking responsibility.
He will probably say something like he was contractually forbidden from speaking about the findings; he will say UKAD have very clear policies on this matter which he couldn't override, and ultimately it is a matter for the BBBofC who decided the fight should go ahead.
If he feels properly under pressure, he might call for an independent review so we can all "learn" from this experience - anything which takes the heat off him in the short term until it blows over.
But the facts are Hearn gave an interview recently saying cheating was rife with American boxers, and that so many failed test results never make it into the public domain, and how he found it all disgusting. And yet, here we are...
He will probably say something like he was contractually forbidden from speaking about the findings; he will say UKAD have very clear policies on this matter which he couldn't override, and ultimately it is a matter for the BBBofC who decided the fight should go ahead.
If he feels properly under pressure, he might call for an independent review so we can all "learn" from this experience - anything which takes the heat off him in the short term until it blows over.
But the facts are Hearn gave an interview recently saying cheating was rife with American boxers, and that so many failed test results never make it into the public domain, and how he found it all disgusting. And yet, here we are...
Another death 
https://www.theguardian.com/sport/2019/jul/25/hugo...
Along with how Dave Allen's fight ended, I think this could (rightly) lead to a lot of questions about the ethics of the sport.
https://www.theguardian.com/sport/2019/jul/25/hugo...Along with how Dave Allen's fight ended, I think this could (rightly) lead to a lot of questions about the ethics of the sport.
And the problem is exacerbated by the almost non-existent testing for anything outside of a title fight (and even then, as we saw with Pacquiao recently, it might still not happen then).
I wonder for example whether Price (or Allen) had any testing for their fight last Saturday? I suspect not. And yet when we see a 36 year suddenly and dramatically improve his stamina beyond anything he has been able to manage before, and to such devasting effect on Allen, you have to wonder what changed behind the scenes...
I wonder for example whether Price (or Allen) had any testing for their fight last Saturday? I suspect not. And yet when we see a 36 year suddenly and dramatically improve his stamina beyond anything he has been able to manage before, and to such devasting effect on Allen, you have to wonder what changed behind the scenes...
EddieSteadyGo said:
And the problem is exacerbated by the almost non-existent testing for anything outside of a title fight (and even then, as we saw with Pacquiao recently, it might still not happen then).
I wonder for example whether Price (or Allen) had any testing for their fight last Saturday? I suspect not. And yet when we see a 36 year suddenly and dramatically improve his stamina beyond anything he has been able to manage before, and to such devasting effect on Allen, you have to wonder what changed behind the scenes...
I thought Price was going to gas againI wonder for example whether Price (or Allen) had any testing for their fight last Saturday? I suspect not. And yet when we see a 36 year suddenly and dramatically improve his stamina beyond anything he has been able to manage before, and to such devasting effect on Allen, you have to wonder what changed behind the scenes...
Eddie Hearn in his own words, from a few weeks ago....
https://twitter.com/Macho_Grande1/status/115451857...
https://twitter.com/Macho_Grande1/status/115451857...
Davos123 said:
Another death https://www.theguardian.com/sport/2019/jul/25/hugo...
Along with how Dave Allen's fight ended, I think this could (rightly) lead to a lot of questions about the ethics of the sport.
https://twitter.com/BoxingHls/status/1152792815820316678 - copy and paste as its an awful video i didnt want to make it a linkhttps://www.theguardian.com/sport/2019/jul/25/hugo...Along with how Dave Allen's fight ended, I think this could (rightly) lead to a lot of questions about the ethics of the sport.
so wrong.
andburg said:
Davos123 said:
Another death https://www.theguardian.com/sport/2019/jul/25/hugo...
Along with how Dave Allen's fight ended, I think this could (rightly) lead to a lot of questions about the ethics of the sport.
https://twitter.com/BoxingHls/status/1152792815820316678 - copy and paste as its an awful video i didnt want to make it a linkhttps://www.theguardian.com/sport/2019/jul/25/hugo...Along with how Dave Allen's fight ended, I think this could (rightly) lead to a lot of questions about the ethics of the sport.
so wrong.
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