The **BOXING** thread (Vol 3)
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tuscaneer said:
The guy has got a family to think of.....were any of you lot gonna pay him 1.5million quid???... I can remember rocky on the 2 grand a fight circuit up here then watched him win prize fighter (for 25 grand) and eventually get a belt after serious set back in the blow out loss to smith.....opportunity to fight one of the best fighters on the planet? On the big stage at Madison square garden?...what would you do?...fight low key British level opposition in defence of the regular wba belt for relatively f
k all money?.....
He showed bks to get in there with him and he showed bks to keep getting up.... and now him and his family are financially secure...mission accomplished I'd say
Are you posting that after forensically analysing his financial history or making assumptions?k all money?.....He showed b
ks to get in there with him and he showed bks to keep getting up.... and now him and his family are financially secure...mission accomplished I'd sayEdited by tuscaneer on Sunday 16th December 16:07
As often a lot of the "put food on the table" crap can be translated as needing buy another Rolex
hyphen said:
tuscaneer said:
The guy has got a family to think of.....were any of you lot gonna pay him 1.5million quid???... I can remember rocky on the 2 grand a fight circuit up here then watched him win prize fighter (for 25 grand) and eventually get a belt after serious set back in the blow out loss to smith.....opportunity to fight one of the best fighters on the planet? On the big stage at Madison square garden?...what would you do?...fight low key British level opposition in defence of the regular wba belt for relatively fk all money?.....
He showed bks to get in there with him and he showed bks to keep getting up.... and now him and his family are financially secure...mission accomplished I'd say
Are you posting that after forensically analysing his financial history or making assumptions?k all money?.....He showed b
ks to get in there with him and he showed bks to keep getting up.... and now him and his family are financially secure...mission accomplished I'd sayEdited by tuscaneer on Sunday 16th December 16:07
As often a lot of the "put food on the table" crap can be translated as needing buy another Rolex
EddieSteadyGo said:
tuscaneer said:
The guy has got a family to think of.....were any of you lot gonna pay him 1.5million quid???... I can remember rocky on the 2 grand a fight circuit up here then watched him win prize fighter (for 25 grand) and eventually get a belt after serious set back in the blow out loss to smith.....opportunity to fight one of the best fighters on the planet? On the big stage at Madison square garden?...what would you do?...fight low key British level opposition in defence of the regular wba belt for relatively fk all money?.....
He showed bks to get in there with him and he showed bks to keep getting up.... and now him and his family are financially secure...mission accomplished I'd say
Your making the argument from a fighter's perspective. Nothing wrong with that point of view - of course he needs to think about his family and I can understand his logic in taking the fight. k all money?.....He showed b
ks to get in there with him and he showed bks to keep getting up.... and now him and his family are financially secure...mission accomplished I'd sayI'm talking about it from an entertainment and sporting perspective - and from that point of view, it was garbage.
Halb said:
Hey tusc, I was at hook'n'jab last week, very old skool. 
Good man!!...I used to frequent the old gym on the roundabout(even more old school than the new gym)....now I'm back in the city I love being in and around the pros in Derry gym. I love it and all the lads that train in there.... but I always had a soft spot for hook and jab and miss it to this day. I had long gone when Derek groake's brother Paul died and felt really bad. He was a good man with a deep knowledge of the sport. Sorely missed. Derek and his wife Mandy are great people. Love them dearly... those Saturday morning shark pit spars are something else!!... my old trainer george( the Scouse fella) spent so many hours on the lads.... it was awful when he had a heart attack but I'm made up to find out he is fit and healthy and training the kids again.... honestly the best pad man I've ever worked with... after so many hours together he knew me telepathically Edited by tuscaneer on Sunday 16th December 18:40
tuscaneer said:
Don't need to make assumptions pal...you'd be raising eyebrows left and right if you knew what pros were getting paid (particularly by matchroom) for regular stuff. When these opportunities present themselves guys like rocky will take them with both hands. I'm not suggesting that he's on the breadline but 1.5 million is life changing for him and his family...the guy would have fought king kong for that money and I don't blame him either
I think those sympathising with boxers making money often forget that there is no money tree.Take the extreme example, Haye Bellew. All signs indicate that both fights involved 3 conmen. Haye, matchroom and Bellew all appeared to know Haye was done for.
Yet they all 'sold' the fight, and every day working people on the less bright end of the spectrum coughed up.
Haye has his money, Bellew owns half of Liverpool's residential stock all paid for by the gullible.
Ultimately comes down to conning the boxing punters.
hyphen said:
tuscaneer said:
Don't need to make assumptions pal...you'd be raising eyebrows left and right if you knew what pros were getting paid (particularly by matchroom) for regular stuff. When these opportunities present themselves guys like rocky will take them with both hands. I'm not suggesting that he's on the breadline but 1.5 million is life changing for him and his family...the guy would have fought king kong for that money and I don't blame him either
I think those sympathising with boxers making money often forget that there is no money tree.Take the extreme example, Haye Bellew. All signs indicate that both fights involved 3 conmen. Haye, matchroom and Bellew all appeared to know Haye was done for.
Yet they all 'sold' the fight, and every day working people on the less bright end of the spectrum coughed up.
Haye has his money, Bellew owns half of Liverpool's residential stock all paid for by the gullible.
Ultimately comes down to conning the boxing punters.
Yet you still have the very real danger in every fight of what can go wrong.... wether it's mike towell,beathaven scottland or any other fighter you can think of who's lost their lives... the threat is very real at all levels... think about Pritchard colon or magumad abdusolomov who will need round the clock care for the rest of their lives.... we don't know yet but Adonis Stevenson looks like facing the same fate after what was to be his last contest after a long career....I don't begrudge these lads earning whatever they can grab.
EddieSteadyGo said:
tuscaneer said:
I take your point fella.....but rocky was A LOT bigger than canelo....
Was he? I thought I read Canelo insisted on a rehydration clause?Yes they both weighed in at around the same weight but one lad bulked up to it the other boiled down to it....
tuscaneer said:
EddieSteadyGo said:
tuscaneer said:
I take your point fella.....but rocky was A LOT bigger than canelo....
Was he? I thought I read Canelo insisted on a rehydration clause?Yes they both weighed in at around the same weight but one lad bulked up to it the other boiled down to it....
272BHP said:
Rocky was blown away there, his height counted against him in the end as his long torso was so very easy to hit.
Amazing to think that Alvarez would probably be the favourite against any Super Middleweight in the world right now.
His height didn't count against him, his lack of skill did. If you have your hands tucked under your chin and you eat big body shots and get knocked down twice then that's due to a lack of skill and understanding as opposed to pointing to his height as his disadvantage. A taller & rangier fighter will ordinarily fight to their advantages by keeping someone on their end of their jab rather than square up & allow the other guy to target their body and negate all their advantagesAmazing to think that Alvarez would probably be the favourite against any Super Middleweight in the world right now.
Despite how it sounds, I don't begrudge a guy like Fielding fighting Canelo as it would have given him his career high payday but that was always going to end the way it did.
168lbs is a fairly stacked division and I don't see Canelo being the favourite against many.
EddieSteadyGo said:
tuscaneer said:
EddieSteadyGo said:
tuscaneer said:
I take your point fella.....but rocky was A LOT bigger than canelo....
Was he? I thought I read Canelo insisted on a rehydration clause?Yes they both weighed in at around the same weight but one lad bulked up to it the other boiled down to it....
t fighting at " middleweight" but defending his belt at a weight half way between middle and light middle to avoid golovkin for so long?..... he's a diva, he carries on like the sport revolves around him in much the same fashion as mayweather did....unfortunately for us we still keep tuning in....but at the end of the day ( much like marquez when he jumped 2 divisions against mayweather in quick fashion) rocky still signed the contract to make the fight. he elected to abide by canelo's rules and probably also knew that in the unlikely event of him winning on points he would get jobbed out of it by oscar's b
hes in the referee department......i didn't have to watch the fight. i still did.
Robatr0n said:
272BHP said:
Rocky was blown away there, his height counted against him in the end as his long torso was so very easy to hit.
Amazing to think that Alvarez would probably be the favourite against any Super Middleweight in the world right now.
His height didn't count against him, his lack of skill did. If you have your hands tucked under your chin and you eat big body shots and get knocked down twice then that's due to a lack of skill and understanding as opposed to pointing to his height as his disadvantage. A taller & rangier fighter will ordinarily fight to their advantages by keeping someone on their end of their jab rather than square up & allow the other guy to target their body and negate all their advantagesAmazing to think that Alvarez would probably be the favourite against any Super Middleweight in the world right now.
Despite how it sounds, I don't begrudge a guy like Fielding fighting Canelo as it would have given him his career high payday but that was always going to end the way it did.
168lbs is a fairly stacked division and I don't see Canelo being the favourite against many.
Looking at the super middle rankings to see what Canelos next move might be, assuming this fight was part of a plan (pretty random otherwise). A Mexican showdown with Ramirez or does he see Callum Smith as a possible chan e for him to come to the UK to spread his global appeal?
Anyway, was quite surprised to see Bob Geldof so highly ranked on Wikipedia!
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_current_bo...
Anyway, was quite surprised to see Bob Geldof so highly ranked on Wikipedia!
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_current_bo...
There's a price you pay to cash a Canelo fight check - and it's the rules Golden Boy sets and a guaranteed loss on 1 judges card minimum.
Fair play to Rocky - I think we all knew Canelo would turn his body into mincemeat with those shots - but he's fought at the Garden against an all time great, and been paid handsomely to do so - regardless of the outcome or performance, I bet he never believed he'd get to do it.
Fair play to Rocky - I think we all knew Canelo would turn his body into mincemeat with those shots - but he's fought at the Garden against an all time great, and been paid handsomely to do so - regardless of the outcome or performance, I bet he never believed he'd get to do it.
JLC25 said:
There's a price you pay to cash a Canelo fight check - and it's the rules Golden Boy sets and a guaranteed loss on 1 judges card minimum.
Fair play to Rocky - I think we all knew Canelo would turn his body into mincemeat with those shots - but he's fought at the Garden against an all time great, and been paid handsomely to do so - regardless of the outcome or performance, I bet he never believed he'd get to do it.
let's be honest...he didn't do anything as an amateur and even raised a lot of eyebrows winning prizefighter.....no way did anyone (himself included) think he would get a version of a world title and a headline fight at MSG with a 7 figure payday to boot!!...Fair play to Rocky - I think we all knew Canelo would turn his body into mincemeat with those shots - but he's fought at the Garden against an all time great, and been paid handsomely to do so - regardless of the outcome or performance, I bet he never believed he'd get to do it.
if i was him i'd hang them up now and find something a little less dangerous to occupy his time
Nik Gnashers said:
Just put a bet on Whyte to beat Del-Boy at the weekend.
Del looks in the best shape of his career, but his skills have never really improved, where-as Whyte has, so I can see it being an even easier win for Dillian this time.
There is no question Whyte is much more likely to win based on form. But looking at oddschecker, there doesn't seem much value at 3/10.Del looks in the best shape of his career, but his skills have never really improved, where-as Whyte has, so I can see it being an even easier win for Dillian this time.
FredClogs said:
So... Whose everyone got in the fight of the year (possibly) Frampton or Warrington?
Frampton is an enigma. In recent times, he looks fantastic for a couple of rounds. Super accurate, powerful, sharp reflexes. Then after 3 rounds or so, he becomes much more static, and so takes many more shots than he should do. And at that point he looks far less impressive as he gets into a war of attrition.
Not sure if the issue is lack of stamina caused by making the weight, or the change in trainer, or if he is just in age related decline.
He should beat Warrington based on track record and skills. Not sure how many fights Warren has left with each fighter on their contracts. I can see the scorecards being influenced in the favour of whichever fighter might be there longer term for Warren.
If I was Frampton, I would want a couple more fights left with Warren, so he has an incentive to ensure there is no judging bias. Then if he picks up the world title from Warrington, he should be able to cash out with some big fights in the US before retiring.
However, I suspect Warren could be planning a rematch (if it is a close fight) as this would suit him (and BT Sport) best.
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