The **BOXING** thread (Vol 3)

[Robatr0n]

tuscaneer said:

Purso said:

@tauscaneer, what were your thoughts on the fight mate? Be interested especially as you seem to have a relationship with the fighters in liverpool.

honestly, that's not surprised me...i thought maybe it would go to points but that stoppage was timed beautifully. tony boxed the fight of his life but i always felt usyk was allowing him to do things to read him..almost like he had a few more gears to go through if needed early but was more intent on stalking him and laying traps for later...which proved to be the case.

I'd agree with that entirely. Bellew looked great but all it takes is a quick search on YouTube to see how Usyk normally approaches fights to see that he was stalking and biding his time compared with what he normally does. Usyk's style also lends itself well to fighting come-forward fighters.

One thing I will say is that having watched Usyk fight some big heavies in the amateurs that he has an iron chin but that said, it was obvious that he felt Bellew had a good dig on him in the first 3 rounds. I just think he fought the perfect fight by stalking & applying intelligent pressure to Bellew and allowing Bellew to load up and throw knowing that it would tire him.

[Fittster]

32 isn't old for a heavywieght, which is true but he's a cruiserweight.

He's can add another 10kg - 20Kg of bulk. Sure he can but can he do that without it impacting his speed and stamina?

Now there is an argument that other cruiserweights have transitioned to the Heavyweight division.

1. David Haye - Got a title shot during which he spent his time trying to keep out of the way of Wlad.
2. Evan Holyfield was happy to use HGH and other PEDs.
3. Steve Cunningham had success against Fury with speed, however Fury quickly learnt that he could completely wear down his opponent in the clinch (also see the career of Wlad).

WBSS experience? Isn't that a 5 round contest?

Povetkin showed that a smaller HW can win rounds against bigger men but when they land (and if Bellew can hit you so can the upper echelon of the HW division) its all over very quickly.

[tuscaneer]

Robatr0n said:

I'd agree with that entirely. Bellew looked great but all it takes is a quick search on YouTube to see how Usyk normally approaches fights to see that he was stalking and biding his time compared with what he normally does. Usyk's style also lends itself well to fighting come-forward fighters.

One thing I will say is that having watched Usyk fight some big heavies in the amateurs that he has an iron chin but that said, it was obvious that he felt Bellew had a good dig on him in the first 3 rounds. I just think he fought the perfect fight by stalking & applying intelligent pressure to Bellew and allowing Bellew to load up and throw knowing that it would tire him.

defo pal....he's cut from that golovkin-esque cloth in terms of allowing himself to be hit...because he knows he can take it, but it draws the tells from the other guy, hence he isn't the quickest of starters....

....however, when he perceives a bit of a threat he is a pinch more cautious in the early running until he finds that rhythm..it's a testament to how hard bellew bangs at cruiser that he did seem to make usyk pause for thought a few times in the early rounds..

[tuscaneer]

Fittster said:

32 isn't old for a heavywieght, which is true but he's a cruiserweight.

He's can add another 10kg - 20Kg of bulk. Sure he can but can he do that without it impacting his speed and stamina?

Now there is an argument that other cruiserweights have transitioned to the Heavyweight division.

1. David Haye - Got a title shot during which he spent his time trying to keep out of the way of Wlad.
2. Evan Holyfield was happy to use HGH and other PEDs.
3. Steve Cunningham had success against Fury with speed, however Fury quickly learnt that he could completely wear down his opponent in the clinch (also see the career of Wlad).

WBSS experience? Isn't that a 5 round contest?

Povetkin showed that a smaller HW can win rounds against bigger men but when they land (and if Bellew can hit you so can the upper echelon of the HW division) its all over very quickly.

obviously he's making 14 stone 4lb now ...but enters the ring at a little over 15 stone i believe...povetkin came into the joshua fight at 15stone 12lb so theres not a massive difference size wise between him and the smaller heavies...where he hasn't got sasha's power he certainly has the upper hand in footwork and lateral movement over him...which gives him advantages that povetkin couldn't exploit...of course he's not the biggest of punchers ( largely due to the very fact he is so mobile..). but he could be a right pain in the arse to the biggest of the big boys

[FredClogs]

Wilder isn't much over 15 either is he? He's obviously taller and longer but is he that much heavier.

The other thing that's apparent about Usyk is when he mentioned the year he's had... And when you look back it's pretty fking impressive... Sept 2017 he was 12-0 as a pro... he beat Huck, he then went on to beat Breidis, Gassiev and Bellew... I mean that's not what I'd call a hard year... (never mind it was 14 months). And I think most people consider Gassiev is a genuine possible great, and the other 3 being no mugs...

[tuscaneer]

FredClogs said:

Wilder isn't much over 15 either is he? He's obviously taller and longer but is he that much heavier.

The other thing that's apparent about Usyk is when he mentioned the year he's had... And when you look back it's pretty fking impressive... Sept 2017 he was 12-0 as a pro... he beat Huck, he then went on to beat Breidis, Gassiev and Bellew... I mean that's not what I'd call a hard year... (never mind it was 14 months). And I think most people consider Gassiev is a genuine possible great, and the other 3 being no mugs...

usyk and briedis were my #1 and #2 respectively....but guys like bellew,dorticos,gassiev, glowacki , wlodarzyk and the old guard of lebedev and huck...never mind the guys that looked like killers but were a bit chinny like kudryashov(who is still one dangerous mofo) made this era of cruiserweights the deepest ever...

the fact he has cleaned out that 4 in the last year speaks volumes.

and yeah, i think wilder is only 15 stone something...like a fking daddy long legs with a scorpion's sting though

[LDN]

Davos123 said:

What do people think the result of Fury Wilder is gonna be? I've got tickets for it, cannot bloody wait. Really hope Fury can do it, I think if he's back to his best he wins easily.

I like both of them and if Fury had had another two warm up fights; I’d bet on him winning against Wilder. But he pressed the fast forward button so the jury is out. I think Fury can do it. You have tickets? Lucky sod.

[272BHP]

I don't think Fury is serious about properly resurrecting his career - if he was he would have had another couple of warmup fights.

With this in mind it was a smart move to take on Wilder, it makes no difference if he wins or loses the fight
as a stadium fight with Joshua will always sell over here.

2 PPV fights and he is out of the game I think.

[hyphen]

272BHP said:

I don't think Fury is serious about properly resurrecting his career - if he was he would have had another couple of warmup fights.

With this in mind it was a smart move to take on Wilder, it makes no difference if he wins or loses the fight
as a stadium fight with Joshua will always sell over here.

2 PPV fights and he is out of the game I think.

It was a win win situation for him.

If he loses, it's fine, he can justifiably claim it was too much too soon and get bigger fights in future still.

It's a massive payday and beats fighting bums on the undercard of other fighters too which must be hard to get motivated for.

Why would you say no.

Hard to believe only a few weeks to go too!! I'm very excited about this one.

[hyphen]

LDN said:

I like both of them and if Fury had had another two warm up fights; I’d bet on him winning against Wilder. But he pressed the fast forward button so the jury is out. I think Fury can do it. You have tickets? Lucky sod.

Dont think tickets are sold out, you can still buy one and go

[Davos123]

LDN said:

I like both of them and if Fury had had another two warm up fights; I’d bet on him winning against Wilder. But he pressed the fast forward button so the jury is out. I think Fury can do it. You have tickets? Lucky sod.

Yeah this is basically my take on it. Fury looks in top shape (for him) though, I'm optimistic he can do it, fking hope he does - I think peak Fury will dominate this division unless one of the young pretenders steps up in the next few years. I think if he beats Wilder he beats AJ (though I think AJ also easily beats Wilder).

Yeah, I live in Canada so it was just about affordable with the flights.

[LDN]

hyphen said:

LDN said:

I like both of them and if Fury had had another two warm up fights; I’d bet on him winning against Wilder. But he pressed the fast forward button so the jury is out. I think Fury can do it. You have tickets? Lucky sod.

Dont think tickets are sold out, you can still buy one and go

I meant lucky for being able to go. Not because of the tickets specifically. I can’t go.

[LDN]

Davos123 said:

LDN said:

I like both of them and if Fury had had another two warm up fights; I’d bet on him winning against Wilder. But he pressed the fast forward button so the jury is out. I think Fury can do it. You have tickets? Lucky sod.

Yeah this is basically my take on it. Fury looks in top shape (for him) though, I'm optimistic he can do it, fking hope he does - I think peak Fury will dominate this division unless one of the young pretenders steps up in the next few years. I think if he beats Wilder he beats AJ (though I think AJ also easily beats Wilder).

Yeah, I live in Canada so it was just about affordable with the flights.

It should be a spectacle!!!!

[tuscaneer]

errol spence mikey garcia is fking on!

[FredClogs]

tuscaneer said:

errol spence mikey garcia is fking on!

Yep, madness. Crawford and Lomochenko must be sore theyve been leapfrogged of the sensible option. It's obviously a big pay day for Garcia but there's a lot of big fights for him out there without having to step up to welter.

[tuscaneer]

FredClogs said:

tuscaneer said:

errol spence mikey garcia is fking on!

Yep, madness. Crawford and Lomochenko must be sore theyve been leapfrogged of the sensible option. It's obviously a big pay day for Garcia but there's a lot of big fights for him out there without having to step up to welter.

heard the rumours but didnt really think it would happen....yeah, lot of big fights missed there..

[hyphen]

FredClogs said:

tuscaneer said:

errol spence mikey garcia is fking on!

Yep, madness. Crawford and Lomochenko must be sore theyve been leapfrogged of the sensible option. It's obviously a big pay day for Garcia but there's a lot of big fights for him out there without having to step up to welter.

Garcia has been saying how he wants to be a ppv star, and this is the fight to do it.

Will be interesting

[hyphen]

Tyson Fury will have Freddie Roach in his corner, after working with him recently.

Good move to get an experienced coach in his camp to go alongside Ben.

[Justices]

Is Fury/Wilder better in a rowdy British pub in LA or live in perhaps not a great seat? Have never been to boxing before, just a couple of kickboxing fights as had 2nd row seats. Part of me thinks seeing the actual boxing will be better on a tv. There are a few tickets floating around for a couple of hundred each, but it’s a chance to support our big fella fighting abroad on the night in person.

What do you think? Wouldn’t mind getting as close as possible to the action but have no intention of shelling out thousands per ticket ($4.5k for ringside section 3) as I’ll be on the hook for three of them. Tempted to sneak off and watch the fight alone though Worthwhile seeing if there are some last minute options outside the arena on the night? Anyone have any fight night ticket buying experience they’d care to pass on?

Edited by Justices on Thursday 15th November 07:13

[LDN]

I only remember going to a Eubank fight when I was a kid; the atmosphere was something else... but you definitely get a better idea of what’s going on, just watching the telly. Same could be said for most sports though.

If you were to go, I like your plan of sneaking off and putting the money into better seats!