The **BOXING** thread (Vol 3)

The **BOXING** thread (Vol 3)

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Lee Jones Jnr

967 posts

134 months

Wednesday 3rd March
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Taylor James said:
When you see that one judge gave the fight to Canelo when he was utterly outclassed by Mayweather...
They didn’t.
Two cards for the woman beater and one even.

tuscaneer

7,200 posts

189 months

Wednesday 3rd March
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i think it's the memory of such a ludicrous 114-114 draw by cj ross that sticks in people's mind as a disgrace, easy to think it was 2 closer-than-justifiable and one outrageous card...

it's similar to canelo/ golovkin 1 ...... i posted in here at the time the scorecards of something like 100 journalists, ex fighters and so on.... it was insane that only 2 of 100 scored it narrowly for canelo, and they were mexican fighters....a few for the draw and 90+% for golovkin....

the fact that the fight was declared a draw almost gets forgotten, most people remembering it as a robbery against golovkin.... it was , of course, because he was robbed of a deserved win and breaking bernard hopkins record....but you see my point

but the fact that moretti scored narrowly for golovkin (acceptable), trella scored the draw (eyebrow raising) , then byrd scored it 118-110 for canelo (outragous by anyone's reckoning..she should be shot!)


if byrd had scored that even close the travesty wouldn't have been as magnified as it was..

sbarclay62

272 posts

21 months

Wednesday 3rd March
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Jose Ramirez vs Josh Taylor confirmed for Vegan - May 22nd cooldrink

tuscaneer

7,200 posts

189 months

Wednesday 3rd March
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fking great unification fight that...both unbeaten... both on great runs..should be a great fight, both highly skilled with power to boot

Taylor James

3,111 posts

25 months

Wednesday 3rd March
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Lee Jones Jnr said:
Taylor James said:
When you see that one judge gave the fight to Canelo when he was utterly outclassed by Mayweather...
They didn’t.
Two cards for the woman beater and one even.
My mistake. Even was almost as daft. It was the most comprehensive schooling at elite level that I have ever seen and highly enjoyable.

Taylor James

3,111 posts

25 months

Wednesday 3rd March
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tuscaneer said:
i think it's the memory of such a ludicrous 114-114 draw by cj ross that sticks in people's mind as a disgrace, easy to think it was 2 closer-than-justifiable and one outrageous card...

it's similar to canelo/ golovkin 1 ...... i posted in here at the time the scorecards of something like 100 journalists, ex fighters and so on.... it was insane that only 2 of 100 scored it narrowly for canelo, and they were mexican fighters....a few for the draw and 90+% for golovkin....

the fact that the fight was declared a draw almost gets forgotten, most people remembering it as a robbery against golovkin.... it was , of course, because he was robbed of a deserved win and breaking bernard hopkins record....but you see my point

but the fact that moretti scored narrowly for golovkin (acceptable), trella scored the draw (eyebrow raising) , then byrd scored it 118-110 for canelo (outragous by anyone's reckoning..she should be shot!)


if byrd had scored that even close the travesty wouldn't have been as magnified as it was..
All we can do is remind people. GGG1 was the greatest travesty I've seen at elite level.

bolidemichael

4,800 posts

165 months

Thursday 4th March
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This is a better insight into BJS's appetite for the Canelo challenge, certainly more so than the apron willy waving tosh.


tuscaneer

7,200 posts

189 months

Thursday 4th March
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Taylor James said:
All we can do is remind people. GGG1 was the greatest travesty I've seen at elite level.
agreed mate!... that "draw" will always have a big asterisk next to it

Sterillium

21,491 posts

189 months

Saturday 6th March
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A general question to all...

What's the biggest mismatch you've ever seen in professional boxing?

Pugaris

242 posts

8 months

Saturday 6th March
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Estrada, a female champ, fought someone who'd only fought basically on cards in strip clubs and knocked her out in 7 seconds. Horrible fight that never should have happened. Can't think of any worse than that.

https://youtu.be/UR7TpTjbDJo

Lee Jones Jnr

967 posts

134 months

Saturday 6th March
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Sterillium said:
A general question to all...

What's the biggest mismatch you've ever seen in professional boxing?
Yay, something other than 'experts' talking about Alvarez.

WELL.... thats actually a much more complicated question than it first appears.
I think that the word mismatch brings to mind quick stoppages, though these are often not really mismatches, just a good punch landed early. For example Kostya Tszyu v Zab Judah or Tua v Ruiz. Both of those contests were reasonably fair matches when they were made in terms of levels but the results make them appear like mismatches.
More of a mismatch is when a boxer is no longer the man that he was, time has done the job. For example Duran was the man that used to be Duran when he boxed William Joppy. Ali was the man that used to be Ali when he lost to Holmes. Roy Jones v Glen Johnson, Tyson v Kevin McBride etc etc etc.
Then there are the shock results, Khan v Prescott or Tarver v Jones 2, Wlad v Sanders etc.
I would say that the examples that come to mind as a 'proper mismatch', when the two boxers didn't belong in the same ring would be contests such as Haye v Maccarinelli or retrospectively RJJ v Griffin 2 (most of Roy Jones career perhaps?) and perhaps most of Deontay Wilders career when his natural power far outweighed his rudimentary skills.

Edited by Lee Jones Jnr on Saturday 6th March 14:45

Lee Jones Jnr

967 posts

134 months

Saturday 6th March
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Pugaris said:
Estrada, a female champ, fought someone who'd only fought basically on cards in strip clubs and knocked her out in 7 seconds. Horrible fight that never should have happened. Can't think of any worse than that.

https://youtu.be/UR7TpTjbDJo
Yeah that was a bad one.
Female boxing will be full of similar results, its still too young. The vast majority are moms that do a bit of Thai-Bo, then there are a few actual female boxers.

Pugaris

242 posts

8 months

Saturday 6th March
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Lee Jones Jnr said:
David Tua v Andy Ruiz.
As great a fantasy match-up as this is, I think you mean John Ruiz biggrin

Lee Jones Jnr

967 posts

134 months

Saturday 6th March
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Pugaris said:
As great a fantasy match-up as this is, I think you mean John Ruiz biggrin
Whoops

biggbn

9,641 posts

184 months

Saturday 6th March
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Pugaris said:
Lee Jones Jnr said:
David Tua v Andy Ruiz.
As great a fantasy match-up as this is, I think you mean John Ruiz biggrin
I don't think that's a great fantasy match, Tua would steamroller Ruiz. If anyone hasn't watched Tua v Ibeabuchi do so...immediately. One of THE heavyweight wars!

hyphen

19,570 posts

54 months

Saturday 6th March
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Pacquiao is beginning to annoy me with his protracted declaring of his next appointment. Mikey Garcia is now saying it is him. After what Spence did to Garcia, I have no interest in seeing him fight Manny.

https://www.boxing247.com/boxing-news/171985/17198...

NuckyThompson

963 posts

132 months

Saturday 6th March
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Lee Jones Jnr said:
Yay, something other than 'experts' talking about Alvarez.

WELL.... thats actually a much more complicated question than it first appears.
I think that the word mismatch brings to mind quick stoppages, though these are often not really mismatches, just a good punch landed early. For example Kostya Tszyu v Zab Judah or Tua v Ruiz. Both of those contests were reasonably fair matches when they were made in terms of levels but the results make them appear like mismatches.
More of a mismatch is when a boxer is no longer the man that he was, time has done the job. For example Duran was the man that used to be Duran when he boxed William Joppy. Ali was the man that used to be Ali when he lost to Holmes. Roy Jones v Glen Johnson, Tyson v Kevin McBride etc etc etc.
Then there are the shock results, Khan v Prescott or Tarver v Jones 2, Wlad v Sanders etc.
I would say that the examples that come to mind as a 'proper mismatch', when the two boxers didn't belong in the same ring would be contests such as Haye v Maccarinelli or retrospectively RJJ v Griffin 2 (most of Roy Jones career perhaps?) and perhaps most of Deontay Wilders career when his natural power far outweighed his rudimentary skills.

Edited by Lee Jones Jnr on Saturday 6th March 14:45
Don’t know where you’re getting HAYE v Enzo as a mismatch from?

That fight was Enzo 5th defence of his title and Hayes 1st. Enzo’ s best opponent prior was probably Braithwaite and Hayes was mormeck or fragomeni before that.

On paper it was good match up. Ok the result of a 2nd round tko makes it look a mismatch but there’s been plenty of early losses in similar circumstances for fighters meeting at that level.



That women’s fight probably takes the biscuit anyway though, you can tell by the way the opponent walks out of the corner that she’s not even doing the basics of boxing

Lee Jones Jnr

967 posts

134 months

Saturday 6th March
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NuckyThompson said:
Don’t know where you’re getting HAYE v Enzo as a mismatch from?

That fight was Enzo 5th defence of his title and Hayes 1st. Enzo’ s best opponent prior was probably Braithwaite and Hayes was mormeck or fragomeni before that.

On paper it was good match up. Ok the result of a 2nd round tko makes it look a mismatch but there’s been plenty of early losses in similar circumstances for fighters meeting at that level.



That women’s fight probably takes the biscuit anyway though, you can tell by the way the opponent walks out of the corner that she’s not even doing the basics of boxing
On paper it was a mismatch UNLESS Warren was right in his gamble that Haye was struggling to make weight which MIGHT make it a winnable contest. He wasn't. It isn't the result that makes it look like a mismatch, as I mentioned, sometimes evenly matched contests sometimes end early, it was the entire fight from the opening bell.
I agree Brathwaite was Enzos best win but an at home points win over Braithwaite is not the same as an away from home KO of Mormeck. They each also had one defeat going in, Haye when Booth threw in the towel against Thompson after blowing himself out going for an ill advised stoppage, Enzo had been counted out after a leaping jab from a journeyman.

BobsPigeon

162 posts

3 months

Saturday 6th March
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Sterillium said:
A general question to all...

What's the biggest mismatch you've ever seen in professional boxing?
I don't know if it's the biggest mismatch but for me the most disappointing matchup was Audley Harrison vs David Haye as I genuinely bought into the hype and believed Audley to be at least half decent at the time. I even forked out for the PPV.

spikeyhead

12,398 posts

161 months

Saturday 6th March
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BobsPigeon said:
Sterillium said:
A general question to all...

What's the biggest mismatch you've ever seen in professional boxing?
I don't know if it's the biggest mismatch but for me the most disappointing matchup was Audley Harrison vs David Haye as I genuinely bought into the hype and believed Audley to be at least half decent at the time. I even forked out for the PPV.
Audley just froze. If his head had been in a good place then he'd have stood a decent chance of making it a reasonable fight.