The **BOXING** thread (Vol 3)
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Lee Jones Jnr said:
NuckyThompson said:
Don’t know where you’re getting HAYE v Enzo as a mismatch from?
That fight was Enzo 5th defence of his title and Hayes 1st. Enzo’ s best opponent prior was probably Braithwaite and Hayes was mormeck or fragomeni before that.
On paper it was good match up. Ok the result of a 2nd round tko makes it look a mismatch but there’s been plenty of early losses in similar circumstances for fighters meeting at that level.
That women’s fight probably takes the biscuit anyway though, you can tell by the way the opponent walks out of the corner that she’s not even doing the basics of boxing
On paper it was a mismatch UNLESS Warren was right in his gamble that Haye was struggling to make weight which MIGHT make it a winnable contest. He wasn't. It isn't the result that makes it look like a mismatch, as I mentioned, sometimes evenly matched contests sometimes end early, it was the entire fight from the opening bell.That fight was Enzo 5th defence of his title and Hayes 1st. Enzo’ s best opponent prior was probably Braithwaite and Hayes was mormeck or fragomeni before that.
On paper it was good match up. Ok the result of a 2nd round tko makes it look a mismatch but there’s been plenty of early losses in similar circumstances for fighters meeting at that level.
That women’s fight probably takes the biscuit anyway though, you can tell by the way the opponent walks out of the corner that she’s not even doing the basics of boxing
I agree Brathwaite was Enzos best win but an at home points win over Braithwaite is not the same as an away from home KO of Mormeck. They each also had one defeat going in, Haye when Booth threw in the towel against Thompson after blowing himself out going for an ill advised stoppage, Enzo had been counted out after a leaping jab from a journeyman.
tuscaneer said:
that fight wasn't seen as a mismatch at the time by the press and the pundits..haye was (rightly) viewed as the favourite but i remember the bookies didn't have it massively wide..
Ok. It’s not something that I’ll argue about. Myself and everyone that I spoke to that was involved in boxing thought it would go exactly as it did. Perhaps we were wrong to think that.Lee Jones Jnr said:
tuscaneer said:
that fight wasn't seen as a mismatch at the time by the press and the pundits..haye was (rightly) viewed as the favourite but i remember the bookies didn't have it massively wide..
Ok. It’s not something that I’ll argue about. Myself and everyone that I spoke to that was involved in boxing thought it would go exactly as it did. Perhaps we were wrong to think that.biggbn said:
Bruno vs Chuck Gardener I think was his name.., real mismatch..
https://twitter.com/boxinghistory/status/915472437201874945?lang=en Just found it. Ugly 'fight'. It's also shocking to see how long Chuck was left face down half out of the ring. Edited by biggbn on Saturday 6th March 22:26
ThisInJapanese said:
biggbn said:
Bruno vs Chuck Gardener I think was his name.., real mismatch..
https://twitter.com/boxinghistory/status/915472437201874945?lang=en Just found it. Ugly 'fight'. It's also shocking to see how long Chuck was left face down half out of the ring. Edited by biggbn on Saturday 6th March 22:26
Lee Jones Jnr said:
tuscaneer said:
that fight wasn't seen as a mismatch at the time by the press and the pundits..haye was (rightly) viewed as the favourite but i remember the bookies didn't have it massively wide..
Ok. It’s not something that I’ll argue about. Myself and everyone that I spoke to that was involved in boxing thought it would go exactly as it did. Perhaps we were wrong to think that.tuscaneer said:
no argument pal, i hadn't even thought there would be anything to actually argue about. the feeling at the time was that haye was a slight favourite....plenty of people seemed to have fallen for enzo's power as his escape card. i personally thought the odds at the time were too narrow (roughly 11/8 in favour of haye) but didn't expect him to demolish enzo as quickly and thoroughly as he did
okhyphen said:
tuscaneer said:
BadBull said:
Sterillium said:
A general question to all...
What's the biggest mismatch you've ever seen in professional boxing?
What's the biggest mismatch you've ever seen in professional boxing?
yeah, pretty sure super joe would have absolutely bingo'd me all over the ring within the first minute
anyway... don't know if i've shared this one before but i turned up at the gym for a spar with a pal.. i walked in, it's all chatty and me pal says "sorry can't spar today"... no worries i say i'll just knock a circuit out and get some bag work done.. " it's alright mate, one of the lads is jumping in for you to get a few rounds done"... great stuff i thought and start glancing round the gym to see who he might mean...he caught my eye and gestured towards a big fella doing sit ups... as this leviathan of a man reached the upright position i clocked it was tony bellew...my face must have been a picture of absolute horror for that split second because they all errupted laughing at me being a total s
thouse the thought of ACTUALLY having to swap hands with bellew... f
k me no thanks!tuscaneer said:
oh mate...the idea of jumping in with some of these top tier pros is scary stuff... being stood on the ring apron at derry's watching guys like david price unload at full power is like a force of nature.. most recently was jono carroll over to spar jazza before his european title win against ryan walsh... incredible stuff to witness....
anyway... don't know if i've shared this one before but i turned up at the gym for a spar with a pal.. i walked in, it's all chatty and me pal says "sorry can't spar today"... no worries i say i'll just knock a circuit out and get some bag work done.. " it's alright mate, one of the lads is jumping in for you to get a few rounds done"... great stuff i thought and start glancing round the gym to see who he might mean...he caught my eye and gestured towards a big fella doing sit ups... as this leviathan of a man reached the upright position i clocked it was tony bellew...my face must have been a picture of absolute horror for that split second because they all errupted laughing at me being a total sthouse
the thought of ACTUALLY having to swap hands with bellew... fk me no thanks!
ya see back when i frequented the gym, when i was 2 st lighter than i am now I'd have jumped at it.anyway... don't know if i've shared this one before but i turned up at the gym for a spar with a pal.. i walked in, it's all chatty and me pal says "sorry can't spar today"... no worries i say i'll just knock a circuit out and get some bag work done.. " it's alright mate, one of the lads is jumping in for you to get a few rounds done"... great stuff i thought and start glancing round the gym to see who he might mean...he caught my eye and gestured towards a big fella doing sit ups... as this leviathan of a man reached the upright position i clocked it was tony bellew...my face must have been a picture of absolute horror for that split second because they all errupted laughing at me being a total s
thouse the thought of ACTUALLY having to swap hands with bellew... f
k me no thanks!You want to learn, spar somebody better than you and be honest about it. Tony could rightly have murdered you but he'd have known it was a bit of fun and the challenge would have been actually trying to land a shot on him, or not getting hit when making mistakes your regular partners couldn't capitalize on!
andburg said:
ya see back when i frequented the gym, when i was 2 st lighter than i am now I'd have jumped at it.
You want to learn, spar somebody better than you and be honest about it. Tony could rightly have murdered you but he'd have known it was a bit of fun and the challenge would have been actually trying to land a shot on him, or not getting hit when making mistakes your regular partners couldn't capitalize on!
joking aside i have always been a backwards moving counterpuncher by nature but when i've been in with someone much better than me (particularly an uber aggressive come forward guy with a big dig) i've always tended to just go into ultra defensive mode and not really throw much back apart from "stay away from me" jabs....You want to learn, spar somebody better than you and be honest about it. Tony could rightly have murdered you but he'd have known it was a bit of fun and the challenge would have been actually trying to land a shot on him, or not getting hit when making mistakes your regular partners couldn't capitalize on!
i've never really enjoyed full on fighting, i've always been far more interested in the mechanics and thinking side of it.. i'd much rather take a light hitting technical spar over a war every day of the week..
told you i was a s
thousetuscaneer said:
andburg said:
ya see back when i frequented the gym, when i was 2 st lighter than i am now I'd have jumped at it.
You want to learn, spar somebody better than you and be honest about it. Tony could rightly have murdered you but he'd have known it was a bit of fun and the challenge would have been actually trying to land a shot on him, or not getting hit when making mistakes your regular partners couldn't capitalize on!
joking aside i have always been a backwards moving counterpuncher by nature but when i've been in with someone much better than me (particularly an uber aggressive come forward guy with a big dig) i've always tended to just go into ultra defensive mode and not really throw much back apart from "stay away from me" jabs....You want to learn, spar somebody better than you and be honest about it. Tony could rightly have murdered you but he'd have known it was a bit of fun and the challenge would have been actually trying to land a shot on him, or not getting hit when making mistakes your regular partners couldn't capitalize on!
i've never really enjoyed full on fighting, i've always been far more interested in the mechanics and thinking side of it.. i'd much rather take a light hitting technical spar over a war every day of the week..
told you i was a s
thousethouse brother. Thanks for sharing your experiences. I remember as a kid rolling with a big exiled Russian judo champion. It was like he was psychic, he knew everything I was going to do and it was a horrible, panicky, suffocating feeling. As I improved I realised he was simply reading the subtle nuances of my body movements and body language but you learn so much from training with people so much better than you, unless they are liberty takers, which, despite his TV hard man persona, I don't think Belew is for one minute. biggbn said:
Nobody who gets in a ring, a cage or goes on a mat is a sthouse brother. Thanks for sharing your experiences. I remember as a kid rolling with a big exiled Russian judo champion. It was like he was psychic, he knew everything I was going to do and it was a horrible, panicky, suffocating feeling. As I improved I realised he was simply reading the subtle nuances of my body movements and body language but you learn so much from training with people so much better than you, unless they are liberty takers, which, despite his TV hard man persona, I don't think Belew is for one minute.
thouse brother. Thanks for sharing your experiences. I remember as a kid rolling with a big exiled Russian judo champion. It was like he was psychic, he knew everything I was going to do and it was a horrible, panicky, suffocating feeling. As I improved I realised he was simply reading the subtle nuances of my body movements and body language but you learn so much from training with people so much better than you, unless they are liberty takers, which, despite his TV hard man persona, I don't think Belew is for one minute. 
yeah i'm pretty sure he wouldn't have eviscerated me if we had moved around.. at least i would hope not!
i've been in and around boxing for nearly 30 years but over the years have had a little dabble here and there with the muay thai boys, and a very small amout of mma with the associated grappling...
that feeling you describle about suffocation is exactly how i remember it. even warming up with the forward and backward rolls up and down the gym i found fairly discombobulating...it's hard wired into my dna to try to keep you at arms length.. it's just the way i box.. i hate mauling and leaning.. just love backing up, drawing you onto something then spinning out sideways....
anyway, i hated the rolling part of mma, the feeling of being choked out just had me panic big style...really enjoyed being in and around it (i trained at wolfslair when rampage and bisping were there) but ultimately i just stuck to the stand up side of things and sparred boxing only with the guys in there... i had the exact same experience at a muay thai gym i trained at ( what is now the master sken academy in widnes).. enjoyed the training but my knees certainly did not.. in the end i used to just go down for open sparring with the lads on a friday night solely for boxing... they seemed to like having me around because hands only sparring with the thai lads tend to be more square on by nature of how you move and switch.... it was good for me banking rounds without getting my knees shot and good for them to concentrate on hands only occasionally..
Edited by tuscaneer on Monday 8th March 13:37
tuscaneer said:
yeah i'm pretty sure he wouldn't have eviscerated me if we had moved around.. at least i would hope not!
i've been in and around boxing for nearly 30 years but over the years have had a little dabble here and there with the muay thai boys, and a very small amout of mma with the associated grappling...
that feeling you describle about suffocation is exactly how i remember it. even warming up with the forward and backward rolls up and down the gym i found fairly discombobulating...it's hard wired into my dna to try to keep you at arms length.. it's just the way i box.. i hate mauling and leaning.. just love backing up, drawing you onto something then spinning out sideways....
anyway, i hated the rolling part of mma, the feeling of being choked out just had me panic big style...really enjoyed being in and around it (i trained at wolfslair when rampage and bisping were there) but ultimately i just stuck to the stand up side of things and sparred boxing only with the guys in there... i had the exact same experience at a muay thai gym i trained at ( what is now the master sken academy in widnes).. enjoyed the training but my knees certainly did not.. in the end i used to just go down for open sparring with the lads on a friday night solely for boxing... they seemed to like having me around because hands only sparring with the thai lads tend to be more square on by nature of how you move and switch.... it was good for me banking rounds without getting my knees shot and good for them to concentrate on hands only occasionally..
Edited by tuscaneer on Monday 8th March 13:37
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