The **BOXING** thread (Vol 3)

[EddieSteadyGo]

Davos123 said:

EddieSteadyGo said:

I don't think we are going to see Khan continue to be promoted by Hearn for his 4th fight back....

Meh, Crawford will beat him into retirement anyway.

Probably true lol.

[hyphen]

Did Hearn lose money though? As with I'm a celebrity Khan was probably easily selling tickets and getting a TV audience. And boxing fans will always turn out as that chin,heart and skills combination has always delivered entertainment. So would have expected break even at least.

I think Hearn may be pissed at not getting a massive payday, but I'm sure he will want to sign Khan. As otherwise he may lose him to Al Haymon on ITV.

[EddieSteadyGo]

hyphen said:

Did Hearn lose money though? As with I'm a celebrity Khan was probably easily selling tickets and getting a TV audience. And boxing fans will always turn out as that chin,heart and skills combination has always delivered entertainment. So would have expected break even at least.

I think Hearn may be pissed at not getting a massive payday, but I'm sure he will want to sign Khan. As otherwise he may lose him to Al Haymon on ITV.

I'd be 90% sure Hearn (or Sky) lost money.

Hearn would have needed to offer Khan a big retainer for his first fights back in order to get his signature. Which weren't PPV of course and were against pretty lame opposition.

And IIRC, Hearn even scheduled one of these to conflict with Frampton's fight (as a poke in the eye to Frampton for not re-signing with him) in the same way he did with Warrington (to try and spoil his PPV debut with BT).

Hearn won't sign resign him as Khan's team has run rings around him.

[Amirhussain]

GGG v Canelo 3 possibility May 4th.

[Amirhussain]

Hearn has announced a ten day deadline for AJs next opponent. Apparently Wilder and Co. are not responding, they’ve given Whyte a crap offer and Miller could be a consideration...sounds like Hearn and AJ are just trying to save face...we all know his gonna end up fighting Pulev as he is mandatory for his IBF belt.

Hearn may have been a bit overconfident in booking Wembley. Thinking his got Khan/Brook in the bag...and talking of Brook apparently Jeff Horn is interested in facing him...oh dear.

I hope Wilder doesn’t bottle it for Fury rematch and fights Breazeale instead.

Could be wrong but I’m sure Whyte has been WBC mandatory for over a year now..? So how did Breazeale suddenly jump the que?

[hyphen]

Amirhussain said:

Hearn has announced a ten day deadline for AJs next opponent. Apparently Wilder and Co. are not responding, they’ve given Whyte a crap offer and Miller could be a consideration...sounds like Hearn and AJ are just trying to save face...we all know his gonna end up fighting Pulev as he is mandatory for his IBF belt.

Hearn may have been a bit overconfident in booking Wembley. Thinking his got Khan/Brook in the bag...and talking of Brook apparently Jeff Horn is interested in facing him...oh dear.

I hope Wilder doesn’t bottle it for Fury rematch and fights Breazeale instead.

Could be wrong but I’m sure Whyte has been WBC mandatory for over a year now..? So how did Breazeale suddenly jump the que?

Just read the article, same old st from Eddie. Reading what he says, he is making silly offers as usual.

Whyte may get desperate, but Wilder and Fury are going to ask what they are worth, Warren isn't going to sell Fury cheap, and Wilde's camp have demonstrated that no deal is better than a Hearn deal.

By the ninth day, I expect improved offers to be made

http://www.boxingnewsonline.net/wilder-fury-and-wh...

[Davos123]

If I was Fury I'd tell them to fk off for anything that wasn't 50/50.

[NuckyThompson]

It will be 3 poor offers being made with Hearn then thinking that he can say nobody wanted a piece of AJ but really that should back fire as 3guys will all say Hearn was asking for to much.

Miller in Wembley in April will be a hard sell though. Whyte is probably the most likely to say yes.

Wouldn’t put it passed Fury to just say a straight yes to Hearn though just to get the fight made and call his bluff

[EddieSteadyGo]

NuckyThompson said:

Wouldn’t put it passed Fury to just say a straight yes to Hearn though just to get the fight made and call his bluff

Not sure about that. Hearn has consistently disrespected both Fury and Winkel, and these are proud people.

With Fury, he was initially saying Fury wanted to sign with Matchroom but only wanted to fight journeymen for his first 4 fights. (except that in reality he ended up fighting Wilder on fight 3).

Then, when Wilder vs Fury was announced, he used spoiler tactics to suggest he had inside information to say it wouldn't happen (but it did go ahead),

Then when it was clearly going ahead, he said it would be a stinker and Fury would bore everyone to tears. (except it was a very entertaining fight).

He knows Fury vs Joshua is a massive event that would be far, far bigger than Joshua vs Whyte. But he won't offer 50/50 due to arrogance.

So he makes a comparison that when Joshua fought Charles Martin (when Joshua won the belt initially), saying he accepted a much lower payday as he was valuing the opportunity. As if Fury's position is somehow equivalent to Charles Martin....

And then you have the example where Hearn screwed Fury's friend BJS in the scheduled Andrade fight....

[Fckitdriveon]

EddieSteadyGo said:

NuckyThompson said:

Wouldn’t put it passed Fury to just say a straight yes to Hearn though just to get the fight made and call his bluff

Not sure about that. Hearn has consistently disrespected both Fury and Winkel, and these are proud people.

With Fury, he was initially saying Fury wanted to sign with Matchroom but only wanted to fight journeymen for his first 4 fights. (except that in reality he ended up fighting Wilder on fight 3).

Then, when Wilder vs Fury was announced, he used spoiler tactics to suggest he had inside information to say it wouldn't happen (but it did go ahead),

Then when it was clearly going ahead, he said it would be a stinker and Fury would bore everyone to tears. (except it was a very entertaining fight).

He knows Fury vs Joshua is a massive event that would be far, far bigger than Joshua vs Whyte. But he won't offer 50/50 due to arrogance.

So he makes a comparison that when Joshua fought Charles Martin (when Joshua won the belt initially), saying he accepted a much lower payday as he was valuing the opportunity. As if Fury's position is somehow equivalent to Charles Martin....

And then you have the example where Hearn screwed Fury's friend BJS in the scheduled Andrade fight....

What’s the example of Hearn / bjs ?! is this bjs failing a drug test?! Where and how is Hearn at fault for that?!

[hyphen]

Good to hear Virgil is back to good health and will be training Khan for the fight.

Shame about Brook but this Crawford fight is one to look forward to, will Khan get caught...

[EddieSteadyGo]

Fckitdriveon said:

What’s the example of Hearn / bjs ?! is this bjs failing a drug test?! Where and how is Hearn at fault for that?!

The answer to that question can't be answered in glib way. There is quite a bit of detail and nuance to go through to answer it properly. However, the end result is as stated.

So firstly. I'm in no way a fan of BJS, the person. I find his behaviour in public is often deplorable.

Second point is that BJS is entirely responsible for failing the VADA test. He choose to sign up to VADA, and he choose (likely with the assistance of Dominic Ingle) to use oxilofrine to assist with his process of training and making weight.

But, oxilofrine is an allowed substance 'out of competition'. And WADA and UKAD, as the relevant governing bodies, define 'out of competition' as the time preceding the day of the fight. So, some substances are banned completely, some are allowed at any time, and some are allowed before the day of the fight. Oxilofrine is in this latter category.

Whether or not oxilofrine should be allowed out of competition, whether it is a loophole in the testing regime, whether WADA and UKAD have defining the wrong time-frame for out of competition doesn't really matter to this particular case.

Now VADA, which is a voluntary testing process, and which has no role in issuing sanctions or regulating boxers, don't make this distinction.

So, BJS failed a VADA test, but for a reason which passed the actual national drug testing regimes. That doesn't mean it can be disregarded, but it becomes a contractual fault between him and Matchroom.

A boxing commission, when issuing a license to fight, needs to take into account the relevant drug testing authority e.g. UKAD or WADA. This means BJS would have been issued a license to fight by the BBBofC and by the main US state boxing commissions. And he also hasn't been banned by BBBofC, which would have happened if he had failed a drugs test from any of the national governing drug testing bodies.

But in the case of BJS, the organisation who needed to issue the license was the Massachusetts commission. They have previously followed the normal rules, applying the relevant rules of UKAD or WADA to decide whether to license a boxer. But they now had a difficult situation - a high profile fighter, passing WADA and UKAD tests, but failing a supplementary, but contractual, test with VADA.

Now you get to the commercial aspects... Hearn at the time had recently aligned himself with DAZN. And they were desperate to
build a stable of world championship fighters.

So they happened to sign Andrade, who is a very good fighter, but who had been somewhat inactive. They wanted to build up Andrade over time to challenge for a world title. But then Andrade was made mandatory for the WBO middleweight title.

Hearn at the time didn't want Andrade to take the fight - he wanted to give him a couple of tune up fights first, as he knew that, unless Andrade was at his very best, he would likely lose to BJS. But Andrade insisted he wanted to take the fight.

Generally speaking, Warren would have won the rights to promote that fight. However, it was going to purse bids, and it is well known Hearn offered BJS multiple millions to persuade BJS and MTK to pressure Warren to come to an arrangement to let Hear promote the the fight. So, it didn't go to purse bids - Hearn was given control over the promotion, Andrade would be given the maximum opportunity to win the fight, and Hearn had agreed to pay massively over the odds for the privilege.

So, when Hearn realised BJS failed the VADA test, he realised he could save himself and DAZN a massive amount of money and make it *much* easier for Andrade to win the WBO title.

So Hearn let it play out - the Massachusetts commission denied a license to BJS, they drafted in a very cheap replacement called Walter Kautondokwa (who is he???), Andrade beat him easily in a boring contest watched by very few people. They got their coveted world title belt, and they saved themselves a lot of money.

As a final point, if Hearn had wanted to, he could have moved the contest to a different state. This wouldn't have been a big deal. The ticket sales were going to be poor either way. This would have allowed the contest with BJS to proceed. But that wasn't in Hearn's interest and so he didn't do it.

And returning to my original point, if you take this together with all of his other childish digs I doubt a fighter associated with Fury is going to trust Hearn any time soon.

[Davos123]

Davos123 said:

If I was Fury I'd tell them to fk off for anything that wasn't 50/50.

Lol and behold, this is exactly what has happened. Fury claiming they made an offer that was worse than 60/40 and said it's 50/50 or nothing. I can see no justification for a split in AJ's favour.

Hearn and AJ are fking pussies.

[hyphen]

Davos123 said:

Davos123 said:

If I was Fury I'd tell them to fk off for anything that wasn't 50/50.

Lol and behold, this is exactly what has happened. Fury claiming they made an offer that was worse than 60/40 and said it's 50/50 or nothing. I can see no justification for a split in AJ's favour.

Hearn and AJ are fking pussies.

Even worse, Hearn was very unprofessional, he didn't contact Warren but went straight to Fury.

[EddieSteadyGo]

hyphen said:

Even worse, Hearn was very unprofessional, he didn't contact Warren but went straight to Fury.

Very, very unprofessional. Hearn has been hinting that Fury might be out of promotional contract with Warren which is why I presume he contacted Fury directly. However, showing some courtesy costs nothing and avoids adding unnecessary obstacles.

The irony with Hearn is that he is clearly an intelligent and articulate person, but he just can't help himself. If he sees an opportunity to aggravate a rival (be it a promoter or fighter) - he takes it. And he takes it to the extent that, if a fighter doesn't sign with him, he goes out of his way to reduce their earnings (e.g. Frampton) by scheduling spoiler fights against them.

I believe a big part of Wilder not taking the original fight with Joshua was linked to how Wilder's team believe they have been disrespected. And it was totally unnecessary - Hearn could have handled the situation in a much more professional way, and achieved a better result for his client.

[hyphen]

EddieSteadyGo said:

...believe a big part of Wilder not taking the original fight with Joshua was linked to how Wilder's team believe they have been disrespected. And it was totally unnecessary - Hearn could have handled the situation in a much more professional way, and achieved a better result for his client.

Finkel is a hall of fame promoter who was making money while Eddie was being fed baby food with a silver spoon. And wilders other promoter is Al Haymon who needs no introduction either.

Why would you annoy two giants in the game, these two have made it to the top of the wealthiest country in the world, to get there they have competed with the best over many years.

To think you can belittle opponents of this caliber, just because AJ is on a high was naive. It meant no American fighter took him seriously and his lack of signings made Dazn turned to Goldenboy instead.

He actually suggested that Finkel and Al were lying and didn't have $50m on tap, silly boy. That exclusive Sky contract is his safety net though.

Edited by hyphen on Tuesday 15th January 22:38

[hyphen]

So is anyone giving Broner a chance against Manny? Manny is looking unbelievable in training, and also back with Roach, but 40 is 40.

[philv]

Davos123 said:

Davos123 said:

If I was Fury I'd tell them to fk off for anything that wasn't 50/50.

Lol and behold, this is exactly what has happened. Fury claiming they made an offer that was worse than 60/40 and said it's 50/50 or nothing. I can see no justification for a split in AJ's favour.

Hearn and AJ are fking pussies.

What belts does fury hold to justify 50/50?
He didn’t do enough against wilder, and got knocked down twice.
Having seen the fight, it was close, as the knockdowns were big rounds, 2 pointers.
And wilder is awful.

Not sure what offers have been made.
But why would whyte justify a big split?
Surely he’d jump at the chance of just having a title shot?
He wasn’t that impressive against chisora. He was behind on points against a comparatively small heavyweight who decided to stand motionless in front of whyte to get knocked out.

Edited by philv on Tuesday 15th January 23:08

Edited by philv on Tuesday 15th January 23:11

[Amirhussain]

philv said:

Davos123 said:

Davos123 said:

If I was Fury I'd tell them to fk off for anything that wasn't 50/50.

Lol and behold, this is exactly what has happened. Fury claiming they made an offer that was worse than 60/40 and said it's 50/50 or nothing. I can see no justification for a split in AJ's favour.

Hearn and AJ are fking pussies.

What belts does fury hold to justify 50/50?
He didn’t do enough against wilder, and got knocked down twice.

Even Stevie Wonder could tell Fury was outboxing Wilder and making him look amateurish. Even with the two knockdowns I, and I suspect many others had Fury comfortably winning.

[Amirhussain]

hyphen said:

EddieSteadyGo said:

...believe a big part of Wilder not taking the original fight with Joshua was linked to how Wilder's team believe they have been disrespected. And it was totally unnecessary - Hearn could have handled the situation in a much more professional way, and achieved a better result for his client.

Finkel is a hall of fame promoter who was making money while Eddie was being fed baby food with a silver spoon. And wilders other promoter is Al Haymon who needs no introduction either.

Why would you annoy two giants in the game, these two have made it to the top of the wealthiest country in the world, to get there they have competed with the best over many years.

To think you can belittle opponents of this caliber, just because AJ is on a high was naive. It meant no American fighter took him seriously and his lack of signings made Dazn turned to Goldenboy instead.

He actually suggested that Finkel and Al were lying and didn't have $50m on tap, silly boy. That exclusive Sky contract is his safety net though.

Edited by hyphen on Tuesday 15th January 22:38

Also described Paqman and Broner as ‘faded’ and ‘undisciplined’, yet was trying to sign them up not too long ago