The **BOXING** thread (Vol 3)
Discussion
Lee Jones Jnr said:
BJS tries to make it to the end and he loses a very one sided contest.
This has to be a likely scenario. Even in the Lemieux fight, where BJS boxed superbly and was dominating the fight, he preferred to avoid taking risks against a "puncher" and so it ended up going to the cards. So hard to see BJS choosing to go for the stoppage (even if he were to get Canelo in trouble).
So this fight is almost certainly going to the cards. And even if BJS dominates (which is unlikely) what is the chance Canelo's team don't have at least one of the judges nobbled? So the best case scenario for BJS is a MD imo.
And then did BJS look that good in his last fight against a very old Martin Murray? I've not watched it back recently, but from my memory is was a pretty laboured (points) win.
And then we have the weight and discipline issues for BJS. We know he balloons up in weight between fights. He doesn't have the ideal frame size to be a proper super-middleweight. And when did he box at super-middleweight and look good? The only reason he moved up was Warren pulled a few strings with the WBO to get him an easy world title belt - and this was after he was caught taking PEDs before the fight with Andrade, so that couldn't go ahead.
So I think it will be cagey for the first 4-5 rounds, whilst BJS still has his legs. And when BJS slows down he will go into trying to survival mode and claim a "moral victory" after losing on points.
pretty much how i see it going as well that scenario... the key to it is that saunders doesn't bang hard enough to deter canelo from coming through what he's got to shut him down...the way canelo loses is to a bigger man with a formidable jab (watch the early going with kovalev to see him nulified).... saunders isn't big enough,bang hard enough or have a long enough reach to do it imo
Canelo has changed since he fought Mayweather and at that time Mayweather was the P4P golden boy so unlikely to lose a decision, but, he was outboxed and out pointed by the consummate jabbing, upper body movement and quick counter punching.
But Canelo has been practically flawless since that loss and has walked onto and through much heavier punchers than BJS, I think he'll destroy BJS to the body on the inside and probably get stoppage in the middle rounds. BJS has to be perfect for 12 rounds, Canelo doesn't.
But Canelo has been practically flawless since that loss and has walked onto and through much heavier punchers than BJS, I think he'll destroy BJS to the body on the inside and probably get stoppage in the middle rounds. BJS has to be perfect for 12 rounds, Canelo doesn't.
BobsPigeon said:
Canelo has changed since he fought Mayweather and at that time Mayweather was the P4P golden boy so unlikely to lose a decision, but, he was outboxed and out pointed by the consummate jabbing, upper body movement and quick counter punching.
But Canelo has been practically flawless since that loss and has walked onto and through much heavier punchers than BJS, I think he'll destroy BJS to the body on the inside and probably get stoppage in the middle rounds. BJS has to be perfect for 12 rounds, Canelo doesn't.
splitting hairs here....but....But Canelo has been practically flawless since that loss and has walked onto and through much heavier punchers than BJS, I think he'll destroy BJS to the body on the inside and probably get stoppage in the middle rounds. BJS has to be perfect for 12 rounds, Canelo doesn't.
i wouldn't say practically flawless mate,,,, christ, lara could easily have got the nod, golovkin comprehensively beat him in the first fight and definitely deserved at least a draw in the second (i still have golovkin winning that fight too)..... and if you watch the fight with kovalev back, prior to the unravelling kovalev was putting plenty of rounds in the bag off the jab.
What I love about the way Canelo fights is firstly he has superb head movement - it means he can slip jabs with the most subtle movements of his upper body and head. And he has this timed with his feet to bring himself into range. It is such a honed skill, is just looks so natural and effective.
The second point is how comfortable he is planting his feet, even in the early rounds, to ensure his shots have proper power. You don't see him waiting until the later rounds like many fighters. I'm sure this is part of Eddy Reynoso's influence.
The second point is how comfortable he is planting his feet, even in the early rounds, to ensure his shots have proper power. You don't see him waiting until the later rounds like many fighters. I'm sure this is part of Eddy Reynoso's influence.
biggbn said:
Saunders looking.g absolutely ripped, which must mean he is at least training. Can't wait for this fight.
You can't blame him. What the winner gets is priceless, Saunders will be desperate to bring it home 
WBC said:
The WBC revealed on Thursday that they’ve designed a special Mestizo Belt that they plan on giving to the winner of the May 8th unification fight between WBA/WBC 168-lb champion Canelo Alvarez and WBO champ Billy Joe Saunders
https://www.boxing247.com/boxing-news/canelo-vs-saunders-winner-to-be-given-wbc-mestizo-belt/176487Pugaris said:
biggbn said:
Saunders looking.g absolutely ripped, which must mean he is at least training. Can't wait for this fight.
Same! I post a lot on r/boxing and nobody there seems to be giving Saunders a chance at all, not because if he does 'win' he'll lose on the cards anyway, but because they think he's just going to get blasted out and there's no way it'll be competitive.I've kept quiet but I really think Saunders will make this a great fight. He shows up when the competition is tough, so I've no worries we won't see the best version of BJS in there and I think he's a bad style for Canelo. He's struggled the most against elusive fighters with great footwork and I think an on-form BJS is the greatest pure boxer the UK has produced.
If BJS gasses like he did against Eubank then he's getting knocked out, but if not I can see him giving Canelo a lot of problems. I think it'll go the distance and BJ will make it a close fight (at least on my scorecard anyway). You can get 7/5 on Canelo to win on points and those look cracking odds to me.
As Tusc says, Saunders presents a opponent in the mould of Lara who Canelo struggled with.
tuscaneer said:
BobsPigeon said:
Canelo has changed since he fought Mayweather and at that time Mayweather was the P4P golden boy so unlikely to lose a decision, but, he was outboxed and out pointed by the consummate jabbing, upper body movement and quick counter punching.
But Canelo has been practically flawless since that loss and has walked onto and through much heavier punchers than BJS, I think he'll destroy BJS to the body on the inside and probably get stoppage in the middle rounds. BJS has to be perfect for 12 rounds, Canelo doesn't.
splitting hairs here....but....But Canelo has been practically flawless since that loss and has walked onto and through much heavier punchers than BJS, I think he'll destroy BJS to the body on the inside and probably get stoppage in the middle rounds. BJS has to be perfect for 12 rounds, Canelo doesn't.
i wouldn't say practically flawless mate,,,, christ, lara could easily have got the nod, golovkin comprehensively beat him in the first fight and definitely deserved at least a draw in the second (i still have golovkin winning that fight too)..... and if you watch the fight with kovalev back, prior to the unravelling kovalev was putting plenty of rounds in the bag off the jab.
ThePackMan said:
Agreed, until the "KO" Kovalev was easily winning on points IMO. GGG won both fights as I see it too.
Thing is, Canelo was hitting that short left hook all night. He wasn't concerned with points because he knew he'd be ahead no matter what was happening and that he could hit him with that hook more and more as the rounds went on.EddieSteadyGo said:
And then did BJS look that good in his last fight against a very old Martin Murray? I've not watched it back recently, but from my memory is was a pretty laboured (points) win.
It wasn't a particularly notable performance but he won every round imo. 2 judges gave 11 to BJ and 1 round as a draw, the other somehow gave Murray 2 rounds.The thing is Canelo is a very different fighter from the one that fought Mayweather and Lara. Right now at the peak of his powers he is more of a bully than anyone in the game, he just hunts people down and takes them apart piece by piece.
Must be terrifying to fight someone like that knowing that your punches are just going to bounce off his head with little effect - like fighting the terminator.
Must be terrifying to fight someone like that knowing that your punches are just going to bounce off his head with little effect - like fighting the terminator.
hyphen said:
biggbn said:
Saunders looking.g absolutely ripped, which must mean he is at least training. Can't wait for this fight.
You can't blame him. What the winner gets is priceless, Saunders will be desperate to bring it home WBC said:
The WBC revealed on Thursday that they’ve designed a special Mestizo Belt that they plan on giving to the winner of the May 8th unification fight between WBA/WBC 168-lb champion Canelo Alvarez and WBO champ Billy Joe Saunders
https://www.boxing247.com/boxing-news/canelo-vs-saunders-winner-to-be-given-wbc-mestizo-belt/176487
272BHP said:
The thing is Canelo is a very different fighter from the one that fought Mayweather and Lara. Right now at the peak of his powers he is more of a bully than anyone in the game, he just hunts people down and takes them apart piece by piece.
Must be terrifying to fight someone like that knowing that your punches are just going to bounce off his head with little effect - like fighting the terminator.
There is an unknown variable in the mixMust be terrifying to fight someone like that knowing that your punches are just going to bounce off his head with little effect - like fighting the terminator.
Fury the other day said:
Canelo has faced many types of fighters, but he has never faced a Gypsy
Ryan Garcia pulls out of his July fight. Mental health pressure from being a social media star it appears.
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news said:
. “At this time it is important to manage my health and wellbeing. I have decided to take some time off to focus on becoming a stronger version of myself. I hope to be back soon and am looking forward to stepping back into the ring when I am my healthiest self. I want to Thank God, my family, my doctors and my supporters.”...
Garcia has been brutally honest about his battles with depression and anxiety in recent weeks.
On March 2, he wrote on Instagram: "I still struggle everyday with anxiety and depression at times because of my anxiety ... There are times where it calms down. But I still battle every day … But I'm with all of you who struggle and I'm here to tell you it's okay … We can still do what we want and what our hearts want. God is good … I’m here to tell you it’s still possible to reach your dreams. There are ways to cope, I know I look like someone who is happy all the time but inside I hurt at times struggling just to function but I choose to keep moving forward. I love you guys, keep going.”
Garcia has been brutally honest about his battles with depression and anxiety in recent weeks.
On March 2, he wrote on Instagram: "I still struggle everyday with anxiety and depression at times because of my anxiety ... There are times where it calms down. But I still battle every day … But I'm with all of you who struggle and I'm here to tell you it's okay … We can still do what we want and what our hearts want. God is good … I’m here to tell you it’s still possible to reach your dreams. There are ways to cope, I know I look like someone who is happy all the time but inside I hurt at times struggling just to function but I choose to keep moving forward. I love you guys, keep going.”
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