Ashes Cricket 2019
Discussion
Would be just nice to log on to the thread and not find the predictable boring banter (on both sides) about each other's "overseas" players.
The cricket threads are nearly always some of the best on the sports section of the forum but lately, it's just getting wearing and frankly, quite boring.
Three facts....
1. England have players in their team that were born in or grew up in other countries.
2. Australia have players in their team that were born in or grew up in other countries.
3. This is not against ICC rules so they are allowed to play them.
If we can just accept that and move on, the thread will be a lot better.
The cricket threads are nearly always some of the best on the sports section of the forum but lately, it's just getting wearing and frankly, quite boring.
Three facts....
1. England have players in their team that were born in or grew up in other countries.
2. Australia have players in their team that were born in or grew up in other countries.
3. This is not against ICC rules so they are allowed to play them.
If we can just accept that and move on, the thread will be a lot better.
I’ll be amazed if Smith is fit for Headlingley....from what I’ve read and heard on the radio/TV the “return to play” protocol for ACB/ECB/ICC differs which is odd. But it seems like with the iterative testing etc its right on the limit of what’s possible and under ECB protocol wouldn’t be possible.
Unfortunately I can see it really impacting the game....you can easily see in a few years players being suibstituted out if they get hit on the head as a mandatory action. In retrospect you have to think Smith shouldn’t have come back out given he failed the protocol less than 24 hours later. Thank god he didn’t get hit again.
Unfortunately I can see it really impacting the game....you can easily see in a few years players being suibstituted out if they get hit on the head as a mandatory action. In retrospect you have to think Smith shouldn’t have come back out given he failed the protocol less than 24 hours later. Thank god he didn’t get hit again.
thegreenhell said:
paulrockliffe said:
SydneyBridge said:
There would not have been time to get the next batsman in
They would complete the over that they'd started wouldn't they? Otherwise they might have well not bowled the last few overs at all as there needed to be time for 4 batsman chanfes.I didn't see on the coverage, but I presume the Captains agreed to come off rather than the umpires.
Cheib said:
Absolutely. Unfortunately some of the Australian supporting PH members don’t like the idea of anyone playing for their country who wasn’t born and raised there...and are pretty vociferous about someone like Archer playing for England.
It's all part of the whinging pom schtick...they're ironic little beggars our friends from down under you see 
(Suthol just bit to prove the point
)Cheib said:
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Unfortunately I can see it really impacting the game....you can easily see in a few years players being suibstituted out if they get hit on the head as a mandatory action. In retrospect you have to think Smith shouldn’t have come back out given he failed the protocol less than 24 hours later. Thank god he didn’t get hit again.
In circumstances where they're hit in places without protection (so neck really, like that) I'm not sure that's a bad thing. But for safety maybe it would just be easier to say any strike to the neck/head. It's just not worth the risk.Unfortunately I can see it really impacting the game....you can easily see in a few years players being suibstituted out if they get hit on the head as a mandatory action. In retrospect you have to think Smith shouldn’t have come back out given he failed the protocol less than 24 hours later. Thank god he didn’t get hit again.
A standard timeframe to sit out would also be a good idea IMO. Problem is there doesn't really seem to be an accepted sensible timeframe to stand down (24-48hrs seems most common...).
AIUI the effects of concussion can be delayed
suthol said:
El stovey said:
That saffer Lasagne is doing well.
Came to Australia as a 10 yr old, not quite the same as changing sides as a fully formed player with international experience.But hey ho thems the rules to be exploited by them that will
Someone, possibly John FM, mentioned the accent test, i.e. if someone sounds Australian, they're Australian. I have met quite a few English born people of West Indian background who have exactly the same accent as Jofra Archer.
It is a bit of culture difference between England and Australia, who have never actually repealed their White Australia policy, although it has been softened over the last forty years or so.
Back to the Ashes, I thought Marnus Labuschagne did a super job covering for Smith. That catch by Root was marginal, it could easily have been given not out, even the replays seemed inconclusive. Jack Leach was awesome, but obviously much less effective against right handed batsmen.
warch said:
suthol said:
El stovey said:
That saffer Lasagne is doing well.
Came to Australia as a 10 yr old, not quite the same as changing sides as a fully formed player with international experience.But hey ho thems the rules to be exploited by them that will
Someone, possibly John FM, mentioned the accent test, i.e. if someone sounds Australian, they're Australian. I have met quite a few English born people of West Indian background who have exactly the same accent as Jofra Archer.
It is a bit of culture difference between England and Australia, who have never actually repealed their White Australia policy, although it has been softened over the last forty years or so.
Back to the Ashes, I thought Marnus Labuschagne did a super job covering for Smith. That catch by Root was marginal, it could easily have been given not out, even the replays seemed inconclusive. Jack Leach was awesome, but obviously much less effective against right handed batsmen.
John, suthol and the Holden hsv guy (I miss him) always maintained that imports are ones that didn’t learn their cricket in that country. So someone coming to Australia as a 6 year old etc isn’t an import as they likely went to the cricket academy in Adelaide or played school or state or Sheffield shield cricket etc. It’s about being a product of that country’s cricket system.
KP etc came to the U.K. as cricketers and thus apparently aren’t a product of English cricket.
This is the old debate and it runs all ashes threads and every ashes. Usually it’s pretty good natured.
Blue62 said:
Anyone know how Archer's bowling has been received down under?
https://www.smh.com.au/sport/cricket/the-archer-ef...Blue62 said:
Anyone know how Archer's bowling has been received down under?
I'm impressed and so are the guys I chatted to at training on Sunday.Playing my last season this year, played my first men's game in 1963 and about to turn 71 it's definitely time
I intend to keep working with the young local quicks to see if we can turn out another McGrath or Lee, currently working with 3 under 19s who slide easily into the 140s and will get quicker
( all Australian born ;-) )
FourWheelDrift said:
Blue62 said:
Anyone know how Archer's bowling has been received down under?
https://www.smh.com.au/sport/cricket/the-archer-ef...They seem to think it’s all good and he unsettled smith and hope to see him and smith battle it out some more.
Pretty fair really.
warch said:
Someone, possibly John FM, mentioned the accent test, i.e. if someone sounds Australian, they're Australian. I have met quite a few English born people of West Indian background who have exactly the same accent as Jofra Archer.
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It is a bit of culture difference between England and Australia, who have never actually repealed their White Australia policy, although it has been softened over the last forty years or so.[/b]
You've obviously never been to Melbourne.[b]
It is a bit of culture difference between England and Australia, who have never actually repealed their White Australia policy, although it has been softened over the last forty years or so.[/b]
Scads of immigrants, mostly asian. They just don't seem to end up playing cricket, for various reasons. There's a huge variety of backgrounds in football, including quite a lot of aboriginies, but cricket is unfortunately still very whitebread.
FourWheelDrift said:
Blue62 said:
Anyone know how Archer's bowling has been received down under?
https://www.smh.com.au/sport/cricket/the-archer-ef...In short they think he’s a Superstar.
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