Cricket - England Winter Tour - NZ & SA

Cricket - England Winter Tour - NZ & SA

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Piginapoke

4,760 posts

185 months

Thursday 26th December 2019
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It's on Talksport, shamefully

FiF

44,077 posts

251 months

Thursday 26th December 2019
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Piginapoke said:
It's on Talksport, shamefully
Thanks, never thought about this.

BBC, shame on you. (pulls St Greta face) frown

Black can man

31,838 posts

168 months

Thursday 26th December 2019
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Decent start for England , Think this spell from Archer could be vital.

Looks a lively pitch.

Gargamel

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14,987 posts

261 months

Thursday 26th December 2019
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3 down, looks about par.

FiF

44,077 posts

251 months

Thursday 26th December 2019
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Wicket first ball of match for Jimmy.
Curran taken 3.
QDK playing well.

TorqueDirty

1,500 posts

219 months

Thursday 26th December 2019
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Not seen any of the day's play.

How was Archer's bowling? Did he actually make the effort today or was it another "going through the motions" performance?

After his scorching career start I'd been getting the impression that he has not been that motivated.

TD

5pen

1,891 posts

206 months

Thursday 26th December 2019
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FiF said:
Piginapoke said:
It's on Talksport, shamefully
Thanks, never thought about this.

BBC, shame on you. (pulls St Greta face) frown
Disappointed that it’s not on TMS as I am, it’s Cricket South Africa that chooses who they sell the broadcast rights to. Unless the BBC chose not to bid or offered a deliberately paltry sum, it’s not entirely within their control.

Seemed an odd choice to bowl? Going to need to bat well first time around to avoid a tricky 4th innings.

Stan the Bat

8,916 posts

212 months

Thursday 26th December 2019
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TorqueDirty said:
Not seen any of the day's play.

How was Archer's bowling? Did he actually make the effort today or was it another "going through the motions" performance?

After his scorching career start I'd been getting the impression that he has not been that motivated.

TD
He's not really living up to the hype is he.

Cheib

23,245 posts

175 months

Thursday 26th December 2019
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Stan the Bat said:
TorqueDirty said:
Not seen any of the day's play.

How was Archer's bowling? Did he actually make the effort today or was it another "going through the motions" performance?

After his scorching career start I'd been getting the impression that he has not been that motivated.

TD
He's not really living up to the hype is he.
He’s been sick so hard to tell. If you didn’t see enough from Archer in the Ashes to know he lives up to the hype you’re watching the wrong game.

Decent start today.....lets see how the batting goes.

Dermot O'Logical

2,578 posts

129 months

Friday 27th December 2019
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Cheib said:
Stan the Bat said:
TorqueDirty said:
Not seen any of the day's play.

How was Archer's bowling? Did he actually make the effort today or was it another "going through the motions" performance?

After his scorching career start I'd been getting the impression that he has not been that motivated.

TD
He's not really living up to the hype is he.
He’s been sick so hard to tell. If you didn’t see enough from Archer in the Ashes to know he lives up to the hype you’re watching the wrong game.

Decent start today.....lets see how the batting goes.
The right answer to a daft question. Archer has done everything that England could have asked, and is finding his feet and providing us with a genuine, consistent 90+mph bowling weapon.

As stated, he was suffering from flu last week, he's now bowling in hot, humid conditions. Uninformed, attention-seeking criticisms just reflect badly on the posters, and display a lack of understanding.

Cheib

23,245 posts

175 months

Friday 27th December 2019
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South Africa looking great with the ball this morning....,pitch looking quite lively!

FredericRobinson

3,698 posts

232 months

Friday 27th December 2019
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Listening on Talksport at work today, the commentary is actually very good, better than TMS often is

spikeyhead

17,317 posts

197 months

Friday 27th December 2019
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I've had chance to do nothing except glance at the score occasionally. Undercooked again for yet another test series?

Leithen

10,885 posts

267 months

Friday 27th December 2019
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Oh dear. Never mind.

Gargamel

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14,987 posts

261 months

Friday 27th December 2019
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Any criticism of Archer at this stage must be coming from those unfamiliar with the early stages of a Test Cricket career.

He started playing test cricket in the summer, he has less than ten games, has never bowled with this type of ball, has never played these batsman, has never bowled in SA etc etc

He is finding his way, he has Jimmy A and Broad to guide him, Root probably over bowls him, and he often pitches too short, but England have pitched it too short for years, so its no surprise.

Archer needs a little tuning up to get 92mph out of him, and yes he only gets there in short spells. That is fairly standard.

He remains a great threat and is looking pretty sharp at the moment.

TorqueDirty

1,500 posts

219 months

Saturday 28th December 2019
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Dermot O'Logical said:
Cheib said:
Stan the Bat said:
TorqueDirty said:
Not seen any of the day's play.

How was Archer's bowling? Did he actually make the effort today or was it another "going through the motions" performance?

After his scorching career start I'd been getting the impression that he has not been that motivated.

TD
He's not really living up to the hype is he.
He’s been sick so hard to tell. If you didn’t see enough from Archer in the Ashes to know he lives up to the hype you’re watching the wrong game.

Decent start today.....lets see how the batting goes.
The right answer to a daft question. Archer has done everything that England could have asked, and is finding his feet and providing us with a genuine, consistent 90+mph bowling weapon.

As stated, he was suffering from flu last week, he's now bowling in hot, humid conditions. Uninformed, attention-seeking criticisms just reflect badly on the posters, and display a lack of understanding.
The entire point of my question was because I DID see his astonishing start to his test career. And yes I am familiar with the development of test bowlers' careers. I watched Broad develop in to an excellent bowler from his immature short pitched "enforcer" start, for instance.

It is simply that after Archer's fantastic battle against Smith and others, I saw less full on effort. Understandable for a while perhaps but I was disappointed.

Anyway, knock yourselves out getting all huffy because I dared to suggest that the new wunderkid did not seem to be as enthusiastic as he was when he started.

Will be delighted to be proved wrong.

Merry Christmas.






Gargamel

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14,987 posts

261 months

Saturday 28th December 2019
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Well with 4 / 69 Archer is hopefully living up to the hype today at least.


thegreenhell

15,331 posts

219 months

Saturday 28th December 2019
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I think that his action is just so effortless that it doesn't look like he's trying. The short, easy run up, and the straight action produces 90mph deliveries from almost nothing. He doesn't need to bend his back and get a sweat on like most others.

Anyway, another 5-for today suggests he's doing something right.

WindyCommon

3,373 posts

239 months

Saturday 28th December 2019
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I have a horrible feeling that we are going to regret the easy runs we gave away by bowling too short. I believe we can bat well - we are batting well! - on this deck but the runs we gifted de Kock for example might prove so costly...

Good effort by Burns. Keep going chap.

Edited by WindyCommon on Saturday 28th December 15:38

spikeyhead

17,317 posts

197 months

Saturday 28th December 2019
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Just got home after being out for most of the day.

We're doing better than I expected, but we'll collapse embarrassingly again soon.