Sprinting - 400metres/60 secs
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wong said:
anonymous said:
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Did some maths - just out of curiosity.Eliud Kipchoge ran a marathon distance in ~ 2 hours - 42195m in 7200seconds (120mins x 60).
That's an average of 400m in 68.2545 secs (400m x 7200s /42196m).
Puts it all in to perspective.
anonymous said:
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Interesting thread. I broke 60 for the 400 aged 13 or 14, but never got under 50 - PB was 50.03 when I was 17. I don't recall the training being much more sophisticated than lots of 100 and 200 intervals, plus a bit of form work, but it was a long time ago.I haven't tried to run fast - besides shuttles in the gym or the odd game of touch rugby - since I was in my mid-40s; at 53 I suspect it would be impossible now without injury. Either that or very depressing.
Watching my son train his coach breaks it down in to series of 150m with cones every 50m, they then use an app which beeps 3 times when they should be hitting the cones for the pace they have set. They will also vary where they start from and focus on running the bends.
He will only run a full 400 at the end of the session, he’s a multi eventer, pure 400m runner may do things differently.
He will only run a full 400 at the end of the session, he’s a multi eventer, pure 400m runner may do things differently.
Don1 said:
I went under 50s as an 18year old. It hurt. A lot.
I got there mainly by doing pyramid drills and going properly lactic one a week. I don't miss it.
Edit. Got a digit wrong.
That’s a great time, would get you a place in the English Schools final, more often than not.I got there mainly by doing pyramid drills and going properly lactic one a week. I don't miss it.
Edit. Got a digit wrong.
Edited by Don1 on Friday 14th May 22:29
How far under?
While I class myself as a sprinter, I’ve never been particularly quick. Through my teens and twenties avoided 200m if I could, and never touched 400m (lactic, vomit, lie down and cry).
A few years back in my early 30s, I started training with and coaching 300m/400m athletes. We just put in the hard work - everything from short blocks work through to gruelling splits, pyramids, lots of drills and many, many laps. Eventually ran a competitive 400m and managed a sub 55s PB which I haven’t bettered yet!
Haven’t run one in over a year and our current training is focused on short and sharp - I’d probably keel over if I did a timed 400m at the moment!
My key to it was to work whatever the weather, to have the drive of having training partners next to me, and learn to enjoy it (despite the pain!)
A few years back in my early 30s, I started training with and coaching 300m/400m athletes. We just put in the hard work - everything from short blocks work through to gruelling splits, pyramids, lots of drills and many, many laps. Eventually ran a competitive 400m and managed a sub 55s PB which I haven’t bettered yet!
Haven’t run one in over a year and our current training is focused on short and sharp - I’d probably keel over if I did a timed 400m at the moment!
My key to it was to work whatever the weather, to have the drive of having training partners next to me, and learn to enjoy it (despite the pain!)
bangerhoarder said:
While I class myself as a sprinter, I’ve never been particularly quick. Through my teens and twenties avoided 200m if I could, and never touched 400m (lactic, vomit, lie down and cry).
A few years back in my early 30s, I started training with and coaching 300m/400m athletes. We just put in the hard work - everything from short blocks work through to gruelling splits, pyramids, lots of drills and many, many laps. Eventually ran a competitive 400m and managed a sub 55s PB which I haven’t bettered yet!
Haven’t run one in over a year and our current training is focused on short and sharp - I’d probably keel over if I did a timed 400m at the moment!
My key to it was to work whatever the weather, to have the drive of having training partners next to me, and learn to enjoy it (despite the pain!)
As I said in my earlier post, I don't remember much of the detail of the training I used to do: I do remember, with crystal clarity, the sense of dread I felt while waiting for the gun. Every single time I swore I'd never do it again...A few years back in my early 30s, I started training with and coaching 300m/400m athletes. We just put in the hard work - everything from short blocks work through to gruelling splits, pyramids, lots of drills and many, many laps. Eventually ran a competitive 400m and managed a sub 55s PB which I haven’t bettered yet!
Haven’t run one in over a year and our current training is focused on short and sharp - I’d probably keel over if I did a timed 400m at the moment!
My key to it was to work whatever the weather, to have the drive of having training partners next to me, and learn to enjoy it (despite the pain!)
MC Bodge said:
I've not tried running a fast 400m for many years. It would be intereting to find out how slow I am.
The Marathon world record does put normal people's running speed into perspective...
We ended our track session last week with a 4 x 400m relay for fun. We'd already done 4 x 800m and 10 laps of 200m cruise, 200m fast, so were pretty tired. I managed 72 seconds with a friend just ahead in 68 seconds. He then pointed out that his time was world marathon record pace The Marathon world record does put normal people's running speed into perspective...
bangerhoarder said:
Haven’t run one in over a year and our current training is focused on short and sharp - I’d probably keel over if I did a timed 400m at the moment!
Remembered this thread. I ran a timed 400m on Monday, as I had an athlete come back who wanted to see how he was doing.55.2s, hand timed and with a rubbish standing start. I didn’t keel over (but did collapse on the track afterwards to get my HR down!)
It's probably been a decade since I last ran 400m in the 50s and I've ruptured an achilles since I last did track work. I am very determined to get back to under 60s by next summer too so will be watching this thread with interest.
I personally know of very few 50s 400m runners who are much slower than 11s/22s 100/200 so if you're trying to break 60 then I would work on speed + technique. Hit the gym, do some power training as well.
I was 10.9/21.8 but speed endurance for me was killer so 51s 400m was my best. Absolutely the most killer event, doing high jump and kneeing myself in the face on landing was more fun.
I personally know of very few 50s 400m runners who are much slower than 11s/22s 100/200 so if you're trying to break 60 then I would work on speed + technique. Hit the gym, do some power training as well.
I was 10.9/21.8 but speed endurance for me was killer so 51s 400m was my best. Absolutely the most killer event, doing high jump and kneeing myself in the face on landing was more fun.
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