six nations 2021

[TTmonkey]

Two things:

giving away penalties when 10-15 meters from the Welsh try line whilst in possession...... stupid.coming in at the side to clear out.... get excited did he....? Stupid.

Giving away penalties in kickable range.... double stupid. That guy that deliberately crossed the running line of LRZ when he was very unlikely to even challenge the receiver.... he really should be out of the squad.

[zzrman]

Good article by Stuart Barnes in today´s Times in which he goes through all 14 penalties given away by England.

[Bonefish Blues]

That had the air of having been taught tbh - in fact the squad seems to struggle to have an original thought, or react to circumstances as they arise, which is why the lack of on-field leadership is so problematic, I think.

[Smollet]

zzrman said:

Good article by Stuart Barnes in today´s Times in which he goes through all 14 penalties given away by England.

Not you see often you see good article and Stuart Barnes in the same sentence. It

[zzrman]

Ever since Jones took charge England always give the impression that there´s only ever a Plan A, and if that´s not working no one has the wit to come up with a Plan B.

[768]

Smollet said:

zzrman said:

Good article by Stuart Barnes in today´s Times in which he goes through all 14 penalties given away by England.

Not you see often you see good article and Stuart Barnes in the same sentence.

Don't fall for it. He thinks all the penalties were indisputable.

[TheGreatSoprendo]

Smollet said:

zzrman said:

Good article by Stuart Barnes in today´s Times in which he goes through all 14 penalties given away by England.

Not you see often you see good article and Stuart Barnes in the same sentence. It

Agreed but on this occassion, he's spot on. A stopped clock and all that...

[yellowjack]

anonymous said:

[redacted]

Being honest, yes, at 24 points each I was seeing only defeat. Especially off the back of two unconvincing wins against teams of 14 men. It was a relief having been awarded those contentious tries at that point, because England did, at least for 15 to 20 minutes, look stronger. And I suppose that is what it boils down to. Wales kept their heads and played rugby, but England appear to have gotten a bit "hot headed" and made mistakes that they needn't have made.

Sometimes it takes more Brains (SA ) than brawn to win a rugby match...

[XCP]

With regard to the issue of cheating, having played for 40 years, I couldn't say I ever played in a match when I didn't cheat. ( I was mostly a front row forward).
Besides, it's only cheating when one is caught.

[Royal Jelly]

Backing up a day or so - I’ve just read a load of guff online about that reporter crying in her car over some so-called ‘abuse’? I’m aghast.

There is nothing remotely close to abuse that she mentions. She’s being called out for doing a rubbish job, which comes with the territory as a TV reporter.

If there was actual abuse, I would be hugely sympathetic. There is zero place for it. However, crying in your car because you didn’t get the reactions you’d hoped for from (a) the players or (b) the viewers?

Quite pathetic.

She was trying for a reaction. Trying very hard for one, in fact. When you do that, you’re probably going to get one, but if it’s not the one you hoped for, it’s probably the opposite. Live by the sword and all that.

[SunsetZed]

C70R said:

McGee_22 said:

Welsh press reporting on admissions by the match ref...

https://www.walesonline.co.uk/sport/rugby/rugby-ne...

TLDR; he admits he got both decisions wrong.

I'm not sure that Jutge's quote and the headline quite mean the same thing. WalesOnline isn't known as a paragon of high quality journalism...

Nigel Owens thinks he got both wrong (another WalesOnline story!)

https://www.walesonline.co.uk/sport/rugby/rugby-ne...

[DocJock]

Mistakes aside, he was just very whistle-happy overall, which prevented decent multi-phase rugby.

We all have bad days at the office, but that was one he'll want to forget.

[C70R]

SunsetZed said:

C70R said:

McGee_22 said:

Welsh press reporting on admissions by the match ref...

https://www.walesonline.co.uk/sport/rugby/rugby-ne...

TLDR; he admits he got both decisions wrong.

I'm not sure that Jutge's quote and the headline quite mean the same thing. WalesOnline isn't known as a paragon of high quality journalism...

Nigel Owens thinks he got both wrong (another WalesOnline story!)

https://www.walesonline.co.uk/sport/rugby/rugby-ne...

I can't tell you how shocked I am that Nigel 'just retired and looking for a long-term career in media' Owens has shared an opinion which contradicts the matchday referee.

For what it's worth, I don't think that either call was great. But it's not as cut-and-dried as the headline writers would like us to believe.

[Evanivitch]

DocJock said:

Mistakes aside, he was just very whistle-happy overall, which prevented decent multi-phase rugby.

We all have bad days at the office, but that was one he'll want to forget.

England prevented multi-phase Rugby. Wales played to the refs favour by learning what he was going to penalise. England didn't.

[spikeyhead]

Evanivitch said:

DocJock said:

Mistakes aside, he was just very whistle-happy overall, which prevented decent multi-phase rugby.

We all have bad days at the office, but that was one he'll want to forget.

England prevented multi-phase Rugby. Wales played to the refs favour by learning what he was going to penalise. England didn't.

England did indeed continue to demonstrate that Eddie has removed most of their brains before they're allowed in the team. Perhaps that's why he doesn't want to bring in much new blood.

[irocfan]

C70R said:

I can't tell you how shocked I am that Nigel 'just retired and looking for a long-term career in media' Owens has shared an opinion which contradicts the matchday referee.

TBF I suspect that Nige has a career in media pretty much nailed on, should he really want it.

[towser]

Seems that Galthie was the member of the French team bubble that broke COVID rules. Their place in the rest of the 6N tournament must be at risk?

https://www.the42.ie/laporte-galthie-six-nations-b...

[abzmike]

towser said:

Seems that Galthie was the member of the French team bubble that broke COVID rules. Their place in the rest of the 6N tournament must be at risk?

https://www.the42.ie/laporte-galthie-six-nations-b...

I think the decision is more in the hands of the French government now rather than 6N.

[phil_cardiff]

Evanivitch said:

DocJock said:

Mistakes aside, he was just very whistle-happy overall, which prevented decent multi-phase rugby.

We all have bad days at the office, but that was one he'll want to forget.

England prevented multi-phase Rugby. Wales played to the refs favour by learning what he was going to penalise. England didn't.

Leaving the two big decisions aside for a moment, I thought he refereed the breakdown pretty well. Yes there were a lot of penalties but I thought a decent amount of 'flow' to the game and 6 tries were scored.

Refereeing the breakdown more stringently lead to very quick ball, particularly for England, as Wales knew not to infringe or even commit.

Unfortunately/fortunately, England were too stupid to play off 9 with short carries close to the breakdown and seemed obsessed with either kicking or playing out the back via 10 and 12. Wales' defence lapped that up.

Marry that with some stupid breakdown work and Wales won at a canter. England had the players to win that game but didn't have the tactical ability or nous.

[Evanivitch]

phil_cardiff said:

Leaving the two big decisions aside for a moment, I thought he refereed the breakdown pretty well. Yes there were a lot of penalties but I thought a decent amount of 'flow' to the game and 6 tries were scored.

Refereeing the breakdown more stringently lead to very quick ball, particularly for England, as Wales knew not to infringe or even commit.

Unfortunately/fortunately, England were too stupid to play off 9 with short carries close to the breakdown and seemed obsessed with either kicking or playing out the back via 10 and 12. Wales' defence lapped that up.

Marry that with some stupid breakdown work and Wales won at a canter. England had the players to win that game but didn't have the tactical ability or nous.

He was quite Nigel Owens at the breakdown (I.e. If they're not getting out the way like there's a snake about to bite them, then they're not moving fast enough). And then he was just rigid on his offside lines for mauls, line outs and ruck entry.

And I've seen some appalling side entries from Wales against Scotland and Ireland, but I don't remember seeing so many against England because the ref was hot on it.