The **BOXING** thread (Vol 4)
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well... those scorecards were a f
king disgrace... canelo took 2 rounds, bivol 10... 115-113 all round was bent as fk...
at least the world has now got to see what bivol is about.. as i said last week.. his timing and balance are perfect.. his jab is a work of art and the way he controls distance is perfect...
i'm absolutely made up for him.class act.
king disgrace... canelo took 2 rounds, bivol 10... 115-113 all round was bent as fk...at least the world has now got to see what bivol is about.. as i said last week.. his timing and balance are perfect.. his jab is a work of art and the way he controls distance is perfect...
i'm absolutely made up for him.class act.
tuscaneer said:
well... those scorecards were a fking disgrace... canelo took 2 rounds, bivol 10... 115-113 all round was bent as fk...
at least the world has now got to see what bivol is about.. as i said last week.. his timing and balance are perfect.. his jab is a work of art and the way he controls distance is perfect...
i'm absolutely made up for him.class act.
Which is kinda my point. Canelo, as a boxer, knew all that, knew he could take ab easier option, but still chose to fight him. Kudos to both. king disgrace... canelo took 2 rounds, bivol 10... 115-113 all round was bent as fk...at least the world has now got to see what bivol is about.. as i said last week.. his timing and balance are perfect.. his jab is a work of art and the way he controls distance is perfect...
i'm absolutely made up for him.class act.
biggbn said:
Which is kinda my point. Canelo, as a boxer, knew all that, knew he could take ab easier option, but still chose to fight him. Kudos to both.
i find it really hard to like canelo... in the early days i loved him... i still like his fighting style .. he's an incredible fighter but that has been diminished in recent years with every fking single thing in every fight weighted in his favour.i think canelo fell for what a lot of other people did...bivol's apparent lack of power and "unspectacular" style..he knew he'd have judges in his pocket, figured that he would win on points no matter what and wouldn't be troubled by bivol's power....
i'm MADE UP he got outclassed by a master technician. and it helps that it was done by a true gent as well. bivol has always conducted himself impeccably .... canelo's arrogance has cost him dearly for once.
tuscaneer said:
i find it really hard to like canelo... in the early days i loved him... i still like his fighting style .. he's an incredible fighter but that has been diminished in recent years with every fking single thing in every fight weighted in his favour.
I couldn't agree more.king single thing in every fight weighted in his favour.Lee Jones Jnr said:
I'm not sure I really understand this. Is he particularly arrogant? Has it cost him dearly? He lost a contest, almost 50% of people in any boxing match lose.
My read on this is he has always been known for having the deck loaded in his favour with clauses, ring size, anything he can use but in this fight there were none.While i respect that, some may see that as arrogant
I think the worst bit and possibly the bit that would stop him from actually winning a rematch is his opinion that he wont the fight. I haven't read a single report/comment from outside his team that thought this was the case.
Lee Jones Jnr said:
I'm not sure I really understand this. Is he particularly arrogant? Has it cost him dearly? He lost a contest, almost 50% of people in any boxing match lose.
One man's "dared to be great" is another man's arrogance.I think Reynoso and Canelo have been more deliberate than most in how they've managed Canelo's career. They waited out GGG to maximise the odds of beating him then prolonged the rematch. They left 160 to go for undisputed at 168 before beating the rest of the best at MW, they took on Kovalev 8 weeks after a war with Yarde and put a hydration clause in etc.
Whilst Canelo has challenged himself, he's always felt extremely managed to me. So I can see how taking on a 185 champ without doing anything to stack it in your favour can come across as arrogant. I definitely get the impression from listening to Reynoso in particular that they'd just decided he was pretty much unbeatable and didn't think Bivol would pose any real threat. They also made no attempt to get Beterbiev which indicates to me they saw Bivol as the easier option.
I don't wanna criticise him here, I think it was a really ballsy move but it just didn't pay off. You've also got to have a smattering of arrogance about you to take the biggest challenges and back yourself to win.
I think Canelo gets blamed for a lot of things that are outside his direct control.
He is not some mastermind manager, manipulator and marketing genius. He doesn't appear particularly bright to me either, he is just a great boxer and a very driven individual.
Blame the huge business built on top of his talent but surely not the individual who climbs in the ring with only his fists.
He is not some mastermind manager, manipulator and marketing genius. He doesn't appear particularly bright to me either, he is just a great boxer and a very driven individual.
Blame the huge business built on top of his talent but surely not the individual who climbs in the ring with only his fists.
272BHP said:
I think Canelo gets blamed for a lot of things that are outside his direct control.
He is not some mastermind manager, manipulator and marketing genius. He doesn't appear particularly bright to me either, he is just a great boxer and a very driven individual.
Blame the huge business built on top of his talent but surely not the individual who climbs in the ring with only his fists.
Yeah this is why I added Reynoso in my comment. He's the one that plans our Canelo's career for him.He is not some mastermind manager, manipulator and marketing genius. He doesn't appear particularly bright to me either, he is just a great boxer and a very driven individual.
Blame the huge business built on top of his talent but surely not the individual who climbs in the ring with only his fists.
tuscaneer said:
biggbn said:
Which is kinda my point. Canelo, as a boxer, knew all that, knew he could take ab easier option, but still chose to fight him. Kudos to both.
i think canelo fell for what a lot of other people did...bivol's apparent lack of power and "unspectacular" style..he knew he'd have judges in his pocket, figured that he would win on points no matter what and wouldn't be troubled by bivol's power....
Amirhussain said:
- a draw if Canelo was given the last round - Bivol was 6-5 up but yeah, they are some utterly terrible cards. It's giving every single round you could possibly even make the slightest argument in favour of Canelo to him (plus the 1st round, which Bivol definitely won clearly) and all 3 judges doing that.
Lee Jones Jnr said:
I'm not sure I really understand this. Is he particularly arrogant? Has it cost him dearly? He lost a contest, almost 50% of people in any boxing match lose.
he is 1000% an arrogant individual... his sense of entitlement to bend the sport to his will is borderline megalomania(and he's been allowed to do it due to his star power) .... not going back over the jumps but all the way back to defending belts at his own special weight clauses to avoid golovkin for years etc right through to last weekend.his arrogance in just expecting the score cards to read in his favour at the end of what he pretty much knew would be a 12 round fight is incredible.... such was his arrogance in overlooking bivol he deemed it unnecessary to add rehydration clauses/limited camps etc etc... the arrogance cost him dearly at the weekend.... no doubt he'll try everything in his power to redress the balance for the rematch.
great move by bivol to get it in first about coming down to 168.... he's been on record for years now offering to go down a weight for the right fight as he can make weight fine..not so sure we will see canelo accept that offer
Edited by tuscaneer on Tuesday 10th May 08:35
272BHP said:
If Bivol drains down to 168 then he will lose no question. Can't see that happening though, it is just nonsense talk,
If Bivol was an effective 168 fighter then he would have been one before now - at 31 he ain't getting any younger or smaller.
he's been offering to go down for a few years pal...for the right fight.. just that nobody has taken him up on his offer,If Bivol was an effective 168 fighter then he would have been one before now - at 31 he ain't getting any younger or smaller.
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