6N - 2023

[bigothunter]

C70R said:

epom said:

C70R said:

Tom8 said:

Steward red card rescinded. Bit embarrassing for the officials at the game.

Pleased to have been proven right about that one, because it annoyed the hell out of me at the time.

Bit embarrassing for the folks on here who had it marked down as a "cast-iron red".

Not in the slightest, just glad it didn't affect our Grand Slam, going by some of the posts on here I'm awaiting calls for a rematch.

Suspect it wouldn't have made a blind bit of difference to the result. But judging by the sombre mood in the pub I watched at on Saturday (from both Irish and English fans), it took the shine off what should have been an awesome occasion.

On average, yellow card sin binning results in 4 points disadvantage. Not unreasonable to surmise that red card at half-time produced a 16 points disadvantage.

Could have evened up the final score rather than Ireland 29-16 England. An enthralling climax to this year's 6 Nations was thrown away.

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[P. ONeill]

Ireland would have won the game comfortably red card or not.

[bigothunter]

P. ONeill said:

Ireland would have won the game comfortably red card or not.

Assume you are Irish?

[768]

Tom8 said:

Steward red card rescinded. Bit embarrassing for the officials at the game.

Shocked, I tell you.

Shame we didn't get full competition we deserved, but it happens.

[C70R]

P. ONeill said:

Ireland would have won the game comfortably red card or not.

I feel like you're 'debating' something on your own there. Nobody here has made any reference to England being robbed of a win.

[PhilboSE]

P. ONeill said:

Ireland would have won the game comfortably red card or not.

It was pretty even up to the red card, England maybe even winning the loose stuff.

If the red card had been given against Ireland for the Ludlum clearout, it could have been a different game/outcome.

On balance probably Ireland more likely winners because your attacking play had vastly more to offer than England, but if England had continued to snuff out your time on the ball then who knows.

Hopefully we’ll get some clarity on “mitigation” so that red cards are for clear dangerous play with intent (like the Houas clearout or the one on Ludlum) not ones where there is an element of “rugby incident” as otherwise we’ll be robbed of good contests.

[bigothunter]

768 said:

Shame we didn't get full competition we deserved, but it happens.

In Matt Dawson's words: 'Unacceptable to spoil good games with poor red cards'

[bigothunter]

C70R said:

P. ONeill said:

Ireland would have won the game comfortably red card or not.

I feel like you're 'debating' something on your own there. Nobody here has made any reference to England being robbed of a win.

Ireland had (almost) everything to lose and nothing to prove.

England had everything to prove and nothing to lose. On the front foot and pushing limits presented opportunities.

Although unlikely, the prospect of England winning that match is not ludicrous. At least, until Jaco Peyper spoilt proceedings...

[a311]

bigothunter said:

C70R said:

P. ONeill said:

Ireland would have won the game comfortably red card or not.

I feel like you're 'debating' something on your own there. Nobody here has made any reference to England being robbed of a win.

Ireland had (almost) everything to lose and nothing to prove.

England had everything to prove and nothing to lose. On the front foot and pushing limits presented opportunities.

Although unlikely, the prospect of England winning that match is not ludicrous. At least, until Jaco Peyper spoilt proceedings...

I'm glad to see the Steward card was rescinded.

We'll never know what the result would have been if he'd not gone off. I feel like Ireland would have went on to win possibly by a score or less on the basis England didn't really look like they could score in a brothel 15 men or not.

[Alickadoo]

epom said:

Not in the slightest, just glad it didn't affect our Grand Slam, going by some of the posts on here I'm awaiting calls for a rematch.

So the result will have to be reversed as well.

Oh dear! What a shame for Ireland - still it's only fair.

[C70R]

a311 said:

bigothunter said:

C70R said:

P. ONeill said:

Ireland would have won the game comfortably red card or not.

I feel like you're 'debating' something on your own there. Nobody here has made any reference to England being robbed of a win.

Ireland had (almost) everything to lose and nothing to prove.

England had everything to prove and nothing to lose. On the front foot and pushing limits presented opportunities.

Although unlikely, the prospect of England winning that match is not ludicrous. At least, until Jaco Peyper spoilt proceedings...

I'm glad to see the Steward card was rescinded.

We'll never know what the result would have been if he'd not gone off. I feel like Ireland would have went on to win possibly by a score or less on the basis England didn't really look like they could score in a brothel 15 men or not.

England being competitive in that match was a bit of a myth, to be perfectly honest.

They barely created any chances until the 73rd minute, and they missed an unholy amount of tackles. Their rush defence got Ireland a little rattled, but there was no sign they'd have ever won the game even if they'd have had 15 men.

[a311]

C70R said:

a311 said:

bigothunter said:

C70R said:

P. ONeill said:

Ireland would have won the game comfortably red card or not.

I feel like you're 'debating' something on your own there. Nobody here has made any reference to England being robbed of a win.

Ireland had (almost) everything to lose and nothing to prove.

England had everything to prove and nothing to lose. On the front foot and pushing limits presented opportunities.

Although unlikely, the prospect of England winning that match is not ludicrous. At least, until Jaco Peyper spoilt proceedings...

I'm glad to see the Steward card was rescinded.

We'll never know what the result would have been if he'd not gone off. I feel like Ireland would have went on to win possibly by a score or less on the basis England didn't really look like they could score in a brothel 15 men or not.

England being competitive in that match was a bit of a myth, to be perfectly honest.

They barely created any chances until the 73rd minute, and they missed an unholy amount of tackles. Their rush defence got Ireland a little rattled, but there was no sign they'd have ever won the game even if they'd have had 15 men.

I'm not suggesting England would or could have won but at HT it was 10-6 so there's a strong argument to suggest the game was competitive up to the red and HT.

[Tom8]

All stems back to my concerns about the game, cards of all colours, therefore referees, dictate results whether they are right or wrong. We now pay to watch a ref not 15 rugby players. Sorry state of affairs.

Ireland would have won irrespective, but the game was spoiled as a competition through a significant error as are many other games.

[phil_cardiff]

Finally England fans understand why the URC is such a st show.

[Jasey_]

P. ONeill said:

Ireland would have won the game comfortably red card or not.

Quite - the cheating ref would have made sure

[XCP]

Hardly surprising.

[bigothunter]

a311 said:

I'm not suggesting England would or could have won but at HT it was 10-6 so there's a strong argument to suggest the game was competitive up to the red and HT.

I was surprised England contained the Irish onslaught with only 14 men during the whole second half. A rout seemed likely. To finish just 13 points adrift was some achievement.

Must put doubts in Irish minds about what would happen when England are allowed a full team

[MYOB]

If England had 15 men on the pitch, Ireland would have beaten them by a larger score. But being down to 14, they tightened up at the back which they wouldn’t have done otherwise and Ireland would have scored a few more tries.

You’re welcome.

[bigothunter]

MYOB said:

If England had 15 men on the pitch, Ireland would have beaten them by a larger score. But being down to 14, they tightened up at the back which they wouldn’t have done otherwise and Ireland would have scored a few more tries.

You’re welcome.

So Jaco Peyper relieved pressure on England by sending off Steward - didn't realise that

[LastPoster]

bigothunter said:

MYOB said:

If England had 15 men on the pitch, Ireland would have beaten them by a larger score. But being down to 14, they tightened up at the back which they wouldn’t have done otherwise and Ireland would have scored a few more tries.

You’re welcome.

So Jaco Peyper relieved pressure on England by sending off Steward - didn't realise that

He didn't get the yellow for Jack Willis right either

7 mins earlier and England would have come back for a last gasp win