Discussion
Greenie said:
She is very lovely.
I have lessons with Liam - it s really a great method he teaches - so superior to the way a PGA pro teaches IMO. Very simply and athletic but as you say it needs to be followed correctly - it would be tough to follow from a YouTube vid.
https://youtu.be/2mYIFaAP0QQ?si=YL2DQAhXTIH1H4-VI have lessons with Liam - it s really a great method he teaches - so superior to the way a PGA pro teaches IMO. Very simply and athletic but as you say it needs to be followed correctly - it would be tough to follow from a YouTube vid.
He absolutely monsters the ball, this is an enjoyable video.
DuncanM said:
Meeting my brother at the range today, he's just bought some Avoda one length irons! Excited to try them 
The Avoda one length irons were amazing, genuinely amazing. I've always thought that a one length iron set would look/feel weird and awkward, one end or the other, turns out that in practice, they just felt amazing.The looks are stunning, and they were so easy to hit, oh and they felt amazing, and that's comparing to my forged blades (Wilson Staff FG62).
Just read that back, this post was sponsored by the word "amazing"
Edited by DuncanM on Saturday 6th December 14:31
I’d love to have a lesson with Liam, I signed up to TGN a while ago but felt there s limited value, I couldn t work out if I was doing the drills well so ended up giving up. Went to a mate who s a pro & he s helping me rebuild my swing. Getting closer so created myself to a new driver shaft today.
Ended up in a Ventus Velocore Blue 6S. Given my swing speed (116 on GC quad) I was surprised that I could not launch the Black in S or X to save my life unless I swing out of my shoes & touched 120 once or twice, which felt good but very unstable / hard work. It Felt like I couldn t load the shaft, but the blue was a revelation.
Shows how bloody good & strong the guys using Black X flex are, as I m a fairly long hitter. On a good one I dropped 1500 spin on average & my bad ones were much less severe that my old Mitsubishi 60g S. I d thoroughly recommend anyone going for a proper fitting, especially for driver.
I also tested a few heads & surprise surprise, my Rogue ST Max was almost identical to all the new options .i did find out my efficiency of strike isn t anywhere near where it should be. At 116 SS I averaged around 163/165 Ball, if I can get strike up around 1.45+ I should be touching 170ish, if not slightly higher.
Not bad for an out of shape 36 year old with a dodgy hip & knee, ha!
Ended up in a Ventus Velocore Blue 6S. Given my swing speed (116 on GC quad) I was surprised that I could not launch the Black in S or X to save my life unless I swing out of my shoes & touched 120 once or twice, which felt good but very unstable / hard work. It Felt like I couldn t load the shaft, but the blue was a revelation.
Shows how bloody good & strong the guys using Black X flex are, as I m a fairly long hitter. On a good one I dropped 1500 spin on average & my bad ones were much less severe that my old Mitsubishi 60g S. I d thoroughly recommend anyone going for a proper fitting, especially for driver.
I also tested a few heads & surprise surprise, my Rogue ST Max was almost identical to all the new options .i did find out my efficiency of strike isn t anywhere near where it should be. At 116 SS I averaged around 163/165 Ball, if I can get strike up around 1.45+ I should be touching 170ish, if not slightly higher.
Not bad for an out of shape 36 year old with a dodgy hip & knee, ha!
Edited by kentlad on Saturday 6th December 17:44
Edited by kentlad on Saturday 6th December 17:52
DuncanM said:
Greenie said:
She is very lovely.
I have lessons with Liam - it s really a great method he teaches - so superior to the way a PGA pro teaches IMO. Very simply and athletic but as you say it needs to be followed correctly - it would be tough to follow from a YouTube vid.
https://youtu.be/2mYIFaAP0QQ?si=YL2DQAhXTIH1H4-VI have lessons with Liam - it s really a great method he teaches - so superior to the way a PGA pro teaches IMO. Very simply and athletic but as you say it needs to be followed correctly - it would be tough to follow from a YouTube vid.
He absolutely monsters the ball, this is an enjoyable video.
milesgiles said:
Anyone know Gran Canaria for golf? Doing a little practice out there over Xmas might play a round or two if there is something you consider unmissable. If not, where would you say has the nicest practice facility?
Think I’d be heading to Anfi Tauro. Regular course looks lovely but also has a decent par 3 course for short game practice.kentlad said:
I d love to have a lesson with Liam, I signed up to TGN a while ago but felt there s limited value, I couldn t work out if I was doing the drills well so ended up giving up. Went to a mate who s a pro & he s helping me rebuild my swing. Getting closer so created myself to a new driver shaft today.
Ended up in a Ventus Velocore Blue 6S. Given my swing speed (116 on GC quad) I was surprised that I could not launch the Black in S or X to save my life unless I swing out of my shoes & touched 120 once or twice, which felt good but very unstable / hard work. It Felt like I couldn t load the shaft, but the blue was a revelation.
Shows how bloody good & strong the guys using Black X flex are, as I m a fairly long hitter. On a good one I dropped 1500 spin on average & my bad ones were much less severe that my old Mitsubishi 60g S. I d thoroughly recommend anyone going for a proper fitting, especially for driver.
I also tested a few heads & surprise surprise, my Rogue ST Max was almost identical to all the new options .i did find out my efficiency of strike isn t anywhere near where it should be. At 116 SS I averaged around 163/165 Ball, if I can get strike up around 1.45+ I should be touching 170ish, if not slightly higher.
Not bad for an out of shape 36 year old with a dodgy hip & knee, ha!
116 is seriously good, mad that there are shafts that still feel too much for you! New one sounds good, getting the shaft/s is so important, can make or break a club. Ended up in a Ventus Velocore Blue 6S. Given my swing speed (116 on GC quad) I was surprised that I could not launch the Black in S or X to save my life unless I swing out of my shoes & touched 120 once or twice, which felt good but very unstable / hard work. It Felt like I couldn t load the shaft, but the blue was a revelation.
Shows how bloody good & strong the guys using Black X flex are, as I m a fairly long hitter. On a good one I dropped 1500 spin on average & my bad ones were much less severe that my old Mitsubishi 60g S. I d thoroughly recommend anyone going for a proper fitting, especially for driver.
I also tested a few heads & surprise surprise, my Rogue ST Max was almost identical to all the new options .i did find out my efficiency of strike isn t anywhere near where it should be. At 116 SS I averaged around 163/165 Ball, if I can get strike up around 1.45+ I should be touching 170ish, if not slightly higher.
Not bad for an out of shape 36 year old with a dodgy hip & knee, ha!
Edited by kentlad on Saturday 6th December 17:44
Edited by kentlad on Saturday 6th December 17:52
https://youtu.be/2mYIFaAP0QQ?si=avmeC21SUxKZD0yW
Correctly formatted link to Liam Robinson getting his clubs sorted.
DuncanM said:
116 is seriously good, mad that there are shafts that still feel too much for you! New one sounds good, getting the shaft/s is so important, can make or break a club.
https://youtu.be/2mYIFaAP0QQ?si=avmeC21SUxKZD0yW
Correctly formatted link to Liam Robinson getting his clubs sorted.
100%. I could just about play the black but the amount of effort I had to put in to get the thing in the air was scary. Hats off to anyone who games a Black X, the TX must feel like an iron bar. I’d be knackered after 3 tee shots trying to use it for a round, ha! https://youtu.be/2mYIFaAP0QQ?si=avmeC21SUxKZD0yW
Correctly formatted link to Liam Robinson getting his clubs sorted.
The fitter explained that it’s to do with release & load rather than just swing speed. The shaft I’ve landed in is technically aimed at speeds about 10mph less than mine…but I don’t have a particularly aggressive release.
I’d definitely encourage anyone who plays and is considering a new driver to get a shaft fitting for their current gamer, if it’s less than 5 or even 10 years old. You could save a few hundred quid & get better results than ‘off the shelf’ shafts.
That’s a very interesting watch, thanks. That channel has some other really good videos too. Surprised he’s not hit my feed before!
kentlad said:
100%. I could just about play the black but the amount of effort I had to put in to get the thing in the air was scary. Hats off to anyone who games a Black X, the TX must feel like an iron bar. I d be knackered after 3 tee shots trying to use it for a round, ha!
The fitter explained that it s to do with release & load rather than just swing speed. The shaft I ve landed in is technically aimed at speeds about 10mph less than mine but I don t have a particularly aggressive release.
I d definitely encourage anyone who plays and is considering a new driver to get a shaft fitting for their current gamer, if it s less than 5 or even 10 years old. You could save a few hundred quid & get better results than off the shelf shafts.
That s a very interesting watch, thanks. That channel has some other really good videos too. Surprised he s not hit my feed before!
That's interesting, as when my coach handed me a GT4 to try he handed it over with a Ventus Black 6X in it and I was launching it absolutely fine - if anything it was smoother than my EvenFlow White 6.5. The fitter explained that it s to do with release & load rather than just swing speed. The shaft I ve landed in is technically aimed at speeds about 10mph less than mine but I don t have a particularly aggressive release.
I d definitely encourage anyone who plays and is considering a new driver to get a shaft fitting for their current gamer, if it s less than 5 or even 10 years old. You could save a few hundred quid & get better results than off the shelf shafts.
That s a very interesting watch, thanks. That channel has some other really good videos too. Surprised he s not hit my feed before!
My swing speed is about 105, maybe 108 if I swing out of my feet.
Shame the Ventus was £600 on its own....
bodhi said:
That's interesting, as when my coach handed me a GT4 to try he handed it over with a Ventus Black 6X in it and I was launching it absolutely fine - if anything it was smoother than my EvenFlow White 6.5.
My swing speed is about 105, maybe 108 if I swing out of my feet.
Shame the Ventus was £600 on its own....
Interesting! Yeah, £600 is crazy money. The Velocore TR I bought yesterday was £325 so still not cheap, but my man maths is its £175 less than a whole new driver with arguable better results. And I absolutely love my Rogue ST look and nothing new really appeals…My swing speed is about 105, maybe 108 if I swing out of my feet.
Shame the Ventus was £600 on its own....
Hitting 200 odd drives has certainly done a number on my hands though!
kentlad said:
Interesting! Yeah, £600 is crazy money. The Velocore TR I bought yesterday was £325 so still not cheap, but my man maths is its £175 less than a whole new driver with arguable better results. And I absolutely love my Rogue ST look and nothing new really appeals
Hitting 200 odd drives has certainly done a number on my hands though!
Hitting 200 odd drives has certainly done a number on my hands though!
I'd be aching everywhere! Found an interesting distance anomaly lately (albeit at the range and haven’t been able to verify on a course yet.
I usually carry my PW around 115, 9i 125 and then 10yards up from there. This is with 25 year old Mizuno irons. Anyhow the last few range visits I’ve tried my son’s junior clubs (US Kids Golf) and I’m carrying the PW 132-135 which feels mad. Strangely the increase per club is less than my own but the carry distances through the bag is still higher with his.
Modern tech?
I usually carry my PW around 115, 9i 125 and then 10yards up from there. This is with 25 year old Mizuno irons. Anyhow the last few range visits I’ve tried my son’s junior clubs (US Kids Golf) and I’m carrying the PW 132-135 which feels mad. Strangely the increase per club is less than my own but the carry distances through the bag is still higher with his.
Modern tech?
oyster said:
Found an interesting distance anomaly lately (albeit at the range and haven t been able to verify on a course yet.
I usually carry my PW around 115, 9i 125 and then 10yards up from there. This is with 25 year old Mizuno irons. Anyhow the last few range visits I ve tried my son s junior clubs (US Kids Golf) and I m carrying the PW 132-135 which feels mad. Strangely the increase per club is less than my own but the carry distances through the bag is still higher with his.
Modern tech?
A bit of tech, mainly loft though from the tests I've seen online.I usually carry my PW around 115, 9i 125 and then 10yards up from there. This is with 25 year old Mizuno irons. Anyhow the last few range visits I ve tried my son s junior clubs (US Kids Golf) and I m carrying the PW 132-135 which feels mad. Strangely the increase per club is less than my own but the carry distances through the bag is still higher with his.
Modern tech?
Numbers on bottom of clubs really don't mean much, and the only thing that really matters, is that you're happy with your clubs, and how they gap. Most of us struggle from 5i up, or PW down, because that's where the big gap/s will typically be, unless you have something wrong with your irons.
If you enjoyed the kids clubs, and you're using older irons, maybe treat yourself to something new?
Does anyone in here have a good understanding of lie angles? I'm getting my head in a right muddle!
Some of you may remember my post a while back about how much distance I've lost in the last few months (and being convinced that it was to do with cutting across the ball too much). After watching a few of my older swing clips from when my distances were consistently where they should have been, I noticed that A) I was stood a fair bit further back from the ball, and B) my hands were much higher at setup, meaning the club head was sat much 'flatter' on the ground.
So I went to the range last night and set up a little bit further back, but mainly focused on having my hands much higher and flattening the club head/lifting the heel a bit. The result was that starting the backswing felt a bit odd, but on clean hits I was hitting iron shots back to where I used to, anywhere between 30-50 yards further than I have been over the last few months. Whilst it is now starting to make sense that the lie angle is potentially what has been making a difference, I am surprised it could make this much difference..
So here's where I'm getting confused.. I changed irons earlier in the year which have 1.5 degrees lower lie angle than my previous irons (old 7 iron is 63 degrees and my new 7 iron is 61.5 degrees) - does that mean my new irons are more 'flat' or more 'upright'? And if I'm raising my hands at setup and lifting the heel of the club, is that me creating a more flat or upright lie angle?
I've read that an upright lie angle should suit players who are taller and have a steeper swing (both of which apply to me), but it feels like it's almost the opposite, unless of course I'm misunderstanding it all.
TL;DR, I think I've fixed my swing issue after 1 range session and am now confused, but realistically I'm sure nothing will change on the course
Some of you may remember my post a while back about how much distance I've lost in the last few months (and being convinced that it was to do with cutting across the ball too much). After watching a few of my older swing clips from when my distances were consistently where they should have been, I noticed that A) I was stood a fair bit further back from the ball, and B) my hands were much higher at setup, meaning the club head was sat much 'flatter' on the ground.
So I went to the range last night and set up a little bit further back, but mainly focused on having my hands much higher and flattening the club head/lifting the heel a bit. The result was that starting the backswing felt a bit odd, but on clean hits I was hitting iron shots back to where I used to, anywhere between 30-50 yards further than I have been over the last few months. Whilst it is now starting to make sense that the lie angle is potentially what has been making a difference, I am surprised it could make this much difference..
So here's where I'm getting confused.. I changed irons earlier in the year which have 1.5 degrees lower lie angle than my previous irons (old 7 iron is 63 degrees and my new 7 iron is 61.5 degrees) - does that mean my new irons are more 'flat' or more 'upright'? And if I'm raising my hands at setup and lifting the heel of the club, is that me creating a more flat or upright lie angle?
I've read that an upright lie angle should suit players who are taller and have a steeper swing (both of which apply to me), but it feels like it's almost the opposite, unless of course I'm misunderstanding it all.
TL;DR, I think I've fixed my swing issue after 1 range session and am now confused, but realistically I'm sure nothing will change on the course
Edited by AndyB_7 on Monday 8th December 11:34
DuncanM said:
oyster said:
Found an interesting distance anomaly lately (albeit at the range and haven t been able to verify on a course yet.
I usually carry my PW around 115, 9i 125 and then 10yards up from there. This is with 25 year old Mizuno irons. Anyhow the last few range visits I ve tried my son s junior clubs (US Kids Golf) and I m carrying the PW 132-135 which feels mad. Strangely the increase per club is less than my own but the carry distances through the bag is still higher with his.
Modern tech?
A bit of tech, mainly loft though from the tests I've seen online.I usually carry my PW around 115, 9i 125 and then 10yards up from there. This is with 25 year old Mizuno irons. Anyhow the last few range visits I ve tried my son s junior clubs (US Kids Golf) and I m carrying the PW 132-135 which feels mad. Strangely the increase per club is less than my own but the carry distances through the bag is still higher with his.
Modern tech?
Numbers on bottom of clubs really don't mean much, and the only thing that really matters, is that you're happy with your clubs, and how they gap. Most of us struggle from 5i up, or PW down, because that's where the big gap/s will typically be, unless you have something wrong with your irons.
If you enjoyed the kids clubs, and you're using older irons, maybe treat yourself to something new?
According to google the junior club actually has 1deg MORE loft.
I’m hoping it’s to do with newer shafts/grips/grooves. When using the junior woods my ball speeds are lower, so it’s something on the irons.
Your new irons are flatter by 1.5deg, although 61.5 isn't terribly flat for a 7i, flatter is typically not good for taller players.
Tbh, I'm surprised you've preserved with new clubs, if they've had such a detrimental effect to your game? The best recommendation would be to take them to your pro, and have a fitting session with them.
Good that you've figured it out though
Tbh, I'm surprised you've preserved with new clubs, if they've had such a detrimental effect to your game? The best recommendation would be to take them to your pro, and have a fitting session with them.
Good that you've figured it out though
oyster said:
I hear what you re saying but the dispersion with the junior PW at 135 yards carry was as good as my PW at 115 carry and better than my usual 135 yd club (8i).
According to google the junior club actually has 1deg MORE loft.
I m hoping it s to do with newer shafts/grips/grooves. When using the junior woods my ball speeds are lower, so it s something on the irons.
Well I'd probably look at it as a good news story, providing you're willing to spend some cash According to google the junior club actually has 1deg MORE loft.
I m hoping it s to do with newer shafts/grips/grooves. When using the junior woods my ball speeds are lower, so it s something on the irons.
You definitely have gains to be made, if kids clubs are out performing your irons in every aspect
oyster said:
Found an interesting distance anomaly lately (albeit at the range and haven t been able to verify on a course yet.
I usually carry my PW around 115, 9i 125 and then 10yards up from there. This is with 25 year old Mizuno irons. Anyhow the last few range visits I ve tried my son s junior clubs (US Kids Golf) and I m carrying the PW 132-135 which feels mad. Strangely the increase per club is less than my own but the carry distances through the bag is still higher with his.
Modern tech?
Nothing to add, other than this is making me think of the Club Pro Guy "story" where he got an endorsement deal with US Kids Golf, and didn't read the fine print which meant he had to use the clubs in tournaments I usually carry my PW around 115, 9i 125 and then 10yards up from there. This is with 25 year old Mizuno irons. Anyhow the last few range visits I ve tried my son s junior clubs (US Kids Golf) and I m carrying the PW 132-135 which feels mad. Strangely the increase per club is less than my own but the carry distances through the bag is still higher with his.
Modern tech?
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