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I have a sneaking suspicion it might not be too long before we actually find out. Unfortunately for Stieglitz, Abraham was the first top-level opponent on his CV, so I think he'll need to get in line to get another shot (unlike Froch, whose credibility allowed him to walk straight into title fights immediately following each of his two losses). Given the fight with Groves was a done deal before, I think that could be the obvious next step for Stieglitz as a win would put him straight back into the title frame.
I would agree Groves' chin doesn't measure up to Abraham's, but then very few in the division do...which is lucky for Abraham as he isn't especially hard to hit! So if Groves were to get caught by Stieglitz as often as Abraham was, it might be a long night for him (or maybe a short one!). However, if he can marry up the defensive discipline he showed against DeGale with the kind of punching power that stopped Smith and Sierra, I think he'll have too much for Stieglitz...
I would agree Groves' chin doesn't measure up to Abraham's, but then very few in the division do...which is lucky for Abraham as he isn't especially hard to hit! So if Groves were to get caught by Stieglitz as often as Abraham was, it might be a long night for him (or maybe a short one!). However, if he can marry up the defensive discipline he showed against DeGale with the kind of punching power that stopped Smith and Sierra, I think he'll have too much for Stieglitz...
froch should go through mack with ease i feel.not that i'm complaining christ!!he's had the hardest run of fights of any british fighter since....anyone....pick one!!....you need to go back as far jimmy wilde before you see such hard runs.
as for wanting wach to win because you are bored of the brothers!!! what??? i don't even get that.they have such polar opposite styles of figting i don't even know how anyone can lump them together as one entity.
i would say enjoy the fact that we are around at the same time as history in the making.wladimir is on pretty much the longest run as champion in heavyweight history and i can honestly see him surpass even the great joe louis' record of successful defences.his ko percentage is second only to his brother in history but to be fair wladimir has had so many more fights than vitali.his dominance is absolute and the guy is a great role model to boot.what more could we want in our world heavyweight champion??
on a separate note, i do believe that guys like wach and wilder and price and fury and so on should all be fighting each other before getting world title shots but when you hold all the belts you have mandatories every 5 minutes
wach has already lost the fight mentally i think as he has come across as a bit in awe of wlad.at the presser he gave wlad a picture of the 2 of them together years ago when wach was still anamateur.a nice gentlemanly touch but i fear that in his mind wlad is the super human unbeatale fighting machine and he's almost trying to chum up to him to lessen the beating.
as for wanting wach to win because you are bored of the brothers!!! what??? i don't even get that.they have such polar opposite styles of figting i don't even know how anyone can lump them together as one entity.
i would say enjoy the fact that we are around at the same time as history in the making.wladimir is on pretty much the longest run as champion in heavyweight history and i can honestly see him surpass even the great joe louis' record of successful defences.his ko percentage is second only to his brother in history but to be fair wladimir has had so many more fights than vitali.his dominance is absolute and the guy is a great role model to boot.what more could we want in our world heavyweight champion??
on a separate note, i do believe that guys like wach and wilder and price and fury and so on should all be fighting each other before getting world title shots but when you hold all the belts you have mandatories every 5 minutes
wach has already lost the fight mentally i think as he has come across as a bit in awe of wlad.at the presser he gave wlad a picture of the 2 of them together years ago when wach was still anamateur.a nice gentlemanly touch but i fear that in his mind wlad is the super human unbeatale fighting machine and he's almost trying to chum up to him to lessen the beating.
tuscaneer said:
froch should go through mack with ease i feel.not that i'm complaining christ!!he's had the hardest run of fights of any british fighter since....anyone....pick one!!....you need to go back as far jimmy wilde before you see such hard runs.
Blimey, that is an odd one though. His name adds very little to Froch's CV (not held a world title, hasn't fought in the division for five years, lost to the big names he's faced - Andrade, Cloud, Glen Johnson), he has zero profile (over here at least) and it's not even as if there is a novelty angle as there might be if he were to give, say, Kenny Anderson a once-in-a-lifetime shot (though considering how Apollo Creed got his fingers burnt like that, maybe that's just sensible 
).Hate to say it but, assuming he was willing/available, I think Kelly Pavlik would have been a better option!
tuscaneer said:
i think(not sure without looking it up) he briefly held the ibf light heavy belt before losing it to cloud? Either way a suprise given who he could have faced
According to the ever-reliable Wikipedia, Mack has held titles from the USBA, NABA, UBA, and NABF.Just checked; Cloud won the IBF belt when it was vacant, beating our very own Clinton Woods in his final fight. Now I remember...!!!
Apart from BoxNation/Sky buggering the timing for the second week in a row - this time missing the verdict after such a tight fight, clever - a good weekend for boxing.
Sturm Geale was a good scrap and, though I rate Sturm more than many, I'm glad Geale won. I thought he might have let it slip too much in the end to avoid a hometown decision but overall he earned the win imo.
And Golovkin v Prosky was excellent. After seeing him this weekend and a couple of times previously (plus searching YouTube for clips) I reckon Golovkin must be one of the most menacing and hardest punchers pound for pound. I've noticed a few times that on first sight his footwork looks less than world class - a bit slow and plodding - but then you realise he's cutting distance very economically.
Also he doesn't need to load up or even use much foot/leg twist to generate power like many big hitters do, he can generate awesome power in both hands with feet less than ideally placed just through the way he uses his hips/torso twist. I'd love to see him v Chavez Jr, Pirog or Martinez. If he has as good a chin as fists I can't see him losing...
And some good undercard fights, Luis looks like he'll be a 'figure' in a short while - such fast hands and devastating power coming now.
Vitali v Charr is on Box Nation this Saturday night (and Bellew Miranda on Sky) so another to look forward to!
I see Cleverly says he has offered fights to Hopkins and to Carl Froch.
Sturm Geale was a good scrap and, though I rate Sturm more than many, I'm glad Geale won. I thought he might have let it slip too much in the end to avoid a hometown decision but overall he earned the win imo.
And Golovkin v Prosky was excellent. After seeing him this weekend and a couple of times previously (plus searching YouTube for clips) I reckon Golovkin must be one of the most menacing and hardest punchers pound for pound. I've noticed a few times that on first sight his footwork looks less than world class - a bit slow and plodding - but then you realise he's cutting distance very economically.
Also he doesn't need to load up or even use much foot/leg twist to generate power like many big hitters do, he can generate awesome power in both hands with feet less than ideally placed just through the way he uses his hips/torso twist. I'd love to see him v Chavez Jr, Pirog or Martinez. If he has as good a chin as fists I can't see him losing...
And some good undercard fights, Luis looks like he'll be a 'figure' in a short while - such fast hands and devastating power coming now.
Vitali v Charr is on Box Nation this Saturday night (and Bellew Miranda on Sky) so another to look forward to!
I see Cleverly says he has offered fights to Hopkins and to Carl Froch.
Lost_BMW said:
Apart from BoxNation/Sky buggering the timing for the second week in a row - this time missing the verdict after such a tight fight, clever - a good weekend for boxing.
Thanks for the heads-up...that's still sitting on my Sky+!Lost_BMW said:
Vitali v Charr is on Box Nation this Saturday night (and Bellew Miranda on Sky) so another to look forward to!
I see Cleverly says he has offered fights to Hopkins and to Carl Froch.
Unfortunately, it looks like Hopkins and Froch have said no, as has Bellew to a re-match and Shumenov to a unification fight. So the next name in the frame is apparently...wait for it...Vyacheslav Uzelkov!!! I see Cleverly says he has offered fights to Hopkins and to Carl Froch.
(No, me neither...)
On a more promising note, it looks like the WBC have welcomed Haye back into the fold, opening the way for the fight against VK; news which I'm sure has stunned everybody
Also, rumours are circulating that Khan will fight Joan Guzman...that has the potential to be an absolute barnstormer. As I've mentioned on here before, were it not for out-of-ring issues, I think Guzman would be not far short of the Pacquiao/Mayweather category...but he is well into his 30s now and a couple of weights up from where he previously held the world title, so it will be interesting to see what he has left.
If Khan does fight Guzman he should walk the (b) Guzma - as when he doesn't prepare properly or perform in the ring, but if it's the (a) Guzman and he comes in at his best, prepared fully and determined to win I think Khan is in for another early night.
If Guzman is 'right' and tags Khan clean then there's no way Khan's chin can take that. If Garcia can drop him then Guzman could be frightening.
If Guzman is 'right' and tags Khan clean then there's no way Khan's chin can take that. If Garcia can drop him then Guzman could be frightening.
Sooooooo Freddie's first fight will come on the undercard of Hatton's comeback fight in front of over 20k fans!?!! In at the deep end. 
http://www.worldboxingnews.net/2012/09/freddie-fli...
http://www.worldboxingnews.net/2012/09/freddie-fli...
RumbleOfThunder said:
Sooooooo Freddie's first fight will come on the undercard of Hatton's comeback fight in front of over 20k fans!?!! In at the deep end.
http://www.worldboxingnews.net/2012/09/freddie-fli...
Yeah, but Audley Harrison says if he beats him, he'll be right back in the title scene http://www.worldboxingnews.net/2012/09/freddie-fli...
i hope bellew comes through this with flying colours but my nagging worry is he gets drawn into a brawl.a brawl where miranda's short powerful hooks can separate tony from his senses in quick time.that said,let's see how an over the hill miranda can deal with tony's power.
not fired up for vitali/charr although charr looked bouyed at the face off and weigh in.he certainly looks ready for battle and he doesn't yet know how to lose....let's see how he takes tose wicked right hands though....
ward/dawson is the most interesting fight for me this weekend.he says not but coming down in weight cannot do dawson any favours and with ward i've gone from disliking a dirty fighter in the kessler fight to being a major fan after the way he handled froch with fantastic infighting skills and distance controlling.
gennady golovkin is coming good on my prediction from the start of this very thread isn't he?? let's hope the big guns finally give him the shot he deserves but i think geale will run like mad from this fight.
not fired up for vitali/charr although charr looked bouyed at the face off and weigh in.he certainly looks ready for battle and he doesn't yet know how to lose....let's see how he takes tose wicked right hands though....
ward/dawson is the most interesting fight for me this weekend.he says not but coming down in weight cannot do dawson any favours and with ward i've gone from disliking a dirty fighter in the kessler fight to being a major fan after the way he handled froch with fantastic infighting skills and distance controlling.
gennady golovkin is coming good on my prediction from the start of this very thread isn't he?? let's hope the big guns finally give him the shot he deserves but i think geale will run like mad from this fight.
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