GRRC Fellowship
Discussion
shonep said:
How many track days do GRCC members get offered in a typical year? The promo blurb is vague . To understand one of the principle benefits of joining I'm surprised they don't say more.
Any guidance appreciated.
If you're wanting to do trackdays then the GRRC is not worth joining. Often the days are more expensive than a normal trackday at the circuit (I believe you do get some sandwiches, coffee and use of a driver) Any guidance appreciated.
They also sell out very quick as I found out this year.
ecsrobin said:
Often the days are more expensive than a normal trackday at the circuit (I believe you do get some sandwiches, coffee and use of a driver)
Off-topic I know, but I hope GRRC members aren't paying someone else to track their car for them 
On the other hand, if so, where do I sign-up?
Greetings all - first time foray into the Goodwood section, I have been on the waiting list for some time but likely a little way to go timewise for membership. And I should add no connection to Goodwood.
Looking at the Fellowship I can understand why there are some grumbles but to me it feels overwhelmingly like a good idea. Not least because I imagine that there are a number of members who are distant to Goodwood but maintain membership for perhaps one or 2 key reasons (MM or Members' enclosure). Whilst fellowship doesn't replicate these benefits, it does confer some (the right to tickets being the main one) at a fairly nominal cost and so I would imagine would be of interest to those who are distant to Goodwood (much like London clubs have town, country and overseas levels of subscription). This has the knock on affect that if some members switch down to Fellowship the waiting list becomes slightly faster moving and curates the membership to a tiered level of association.
As a waiting list member, I don't begrudge them £39 particularly because it is credited when I do join. I am presuming it will also weed out those who stick their name down with no intention of joining but to benefit from a few years of nice postcards and members' meet tickets access (which seems to have always been a benefit for those on the waiting list rather than a new one for fellowship) and so should enable Goodwood to more proactively manage their waiting list to those genuinely interested in being part of the Goodwood 'movement'.
Looking at the Fellowship I can understand why there are some grumbles but to me it feels overwhelmingly like a good idea. Not least because I imagine that there are a number of members who are distant to Goodwood but maintain membership for perhaps one or 2 key reasons (MM or Members' enclosure). Whilst fellowship doesn't replicate these benefits, it does confer some (the right to tickets being the main one) at a fairly nominal cost and so I would imagine would be of interest to those who are distant to Goodwood (much like London clubs have town, country and overseas levels of subscription). This has the knock on affect that if some members switch down to Fellowship the waiting list becomes slightly faster moving and curates the membership to a tiered level of association.
As a waiting list member, I don't begrudge them £39 particularly because it is credited when I do join. I am presuming it will also weed out those who stick their name down with no intention of joining but to benefit from a few years of nice postcards and members' meet tickets access (which seems to have always been a benefit for those on the waiting list rather than a new one for fellowship) and so should enable Goodwood to more proactively manage their waiting list to those genuinely interested in being part of the Goodwood 'movement'.
Money making scam. Only Suckers would pay for the privilege of waiting in a line.
name another "waiting list" you have to pay to keep on without any clear indication at all of when you can join, apart from your private mens club of course.(here is hoping your circumstances don't change or the cash goes straight in their pockets of course - which is the plan- they win, every time . suckers lose)
bye bye GRRC...............................time to move on to something less "corporate greedy" and actually car friendly (not aimed at GRRC members who are a good bunch)
Oh should add................been on the list 4 years now. attended 6 FOS, few revivals.............last FOS this year for me , got too crowded and boozy full of corporate chaps with no ideas about the cars but at least the champagne is nice!. maybe the car parking will be better this year than last.
Enjoy your paid for wait those that sign up. Bus companies will be doing it next at bus stops...........lol
name another "waiting list" you have to pay to keep on without any clear indication at all of when you can join, apart from your private mens club of course.(here is hoping your circumstances don't change or the cash goes straight in their pockets of course - which is the plan- they win, every time . suckers lose)
bye bye GRRC...............................time to move on to something less "corporate greedy" and actually car friendly (not aimed at GRRC members who are a good bunch)
Oh should add................been on the list 4 years now. attended 6 FOS, few revivals.............last FOS this year for me , got too crowded and boozy full of corporate chaps with no ideas about the cars but at least the champagne is nice!. maybe the car parking will be better this year than last.
Enjoy your paid for wait those that sign up. Bus companies will be doing it next at bus stops...........lol
Edited by TonyTwoTribes on Sunday 11th June 22:05
Since 2004 the FoS and Revival have both been limited to 50,000 tickets each day and they always sell out.
Every thread about the FoS and Revival always results in comments about it becoming too crowded now. In reality in 2003, the last year of gate sales, FoS attendance was 158,000 over what was then a three day event. It has never been that high since.
Every thread about the FoS and Revival always results in comments about it becoming too crowded now. In reality in 2003, the last year of gate sales, FoS attendance was 158,000 over what was then a three day event. It has never been that high since.
Ian Wegg said:
Since 2004 the FoS and Revival have both been limited to 50,000 tickets each day and they always sell out.
Every thread about the FoS and Revival always results in comments about it becoming too crowded now. In reality in 2003, the last year of gate sales, FoS attendance was 158,000 over what was then a three day event. It has never been that high since.
Maybe though there was more room for people ?Every thread about the FoS and Revival always results in comments about it becoming too crowded now. In reality in 2003, the last year of gate sales, FoS attendance was 158,000 over what was then a three day event. It has never been that high since.
More areas for corporate, show stands, vendors means the footprint for joe public has probably got a lot smaller.
Ian Wegg said:
Since 2004 the FoS and Revival have both been limited to 50,000 tickets each day and they always sell out.
Every thread about the FoS and Revival always results in comments about it becoming too crowded now. In reality in 2003, the last year of gate sales, FoS attendance was 158,000 over what was then a three day event. It has never been that high since.
I'd be interested in the figures for the Revival as that certainly seems to have got busier over the years... I used to use Friday as my looking round day and Sat & Sun to watch the racing but Friday is as busy as the weekend now. Every thread about the FoS and Revival always results in comments about it becoming too crowded now. In reality in 2003, the last year of gate sales, FoS attendance was 158,000 over what was then a three day event. It has never been that high since.
RichB said:
I'd be interested in the figures for the Revival as that certainly seems to have got busier over the years... I used to use Friday as my looking round day and Sat & Sun to watch the racing but Friday is as busy as the weekend now.
I would be interested in the attendance figures too.Again I know it is a business, and they have to have the numbers there to make it work - but there is a danger of having too many change the character of the event. There is the issue that many don't move from around the entrance side of the track, concentrating too many in one area... not much Goodwood can do about that - even the events put on at Lavant corner don't attract people to move around.
I have given up on the FoS. We (good lady and myself) went a few years ago on the Saturday - it was basically too busy to enjoy it. She hated it more than myself, but I hated it too. An odd crowd in my opinion too.
I have to go to the Revival on my own - it is again now too busy for her to cope with. I missed last year, partly because I thought I might give it a break as I am starting to not enjoy it. I am booked for all four days this year, so will go along (yes four - I count the Thursday, as this is starting to be the best bit). Previously like RichB, I have treated the Friday as my look around day - you used to be able to get around without too many crowds. Saturday has become almost intollerable due to numbers.
It is a bit of a no win. Goodwood need the number of people to generate the ticket revenues - and I am sure thet there will be an unlimited supply of people wanting to come. It just seems to push the enthusiasts away.
Whilst on the subject of tickets - rather oddly I am going to say it isn't bad value. Averaged out, about £70 for the whole day, which is around something like £7 per hour. Outside Goodwood's control, but a ticket that I pay say £200 for the weekend is great value compared to the £520 paid to PremierInn, £200 worth of Tesco's Finest Momentum.
I don't want Goodwood to put the prices up, but I can see there is scope for doing so.
RichB said:
ther than the cricket match at the house what happens on Thursday?
Just the Cricket match... rather less crowded (and I don't even like cricket).No racing of course, but there is the vehicle display.
It means I can travel down on the Thursday without any hassle trying it on Friday morning and getting stuck in traffic, and have something to do when I get there.
And, a Spitfire at 50 feet.
No ideas for a name said:
RichB said:
ther than the cricket match at the house what happens on Thursday?
Just the Cricket match... rather less crowded (and I don't even like cricket).No racing of course, but there is the vehicle display.
It means I can travel down on the Thursday without any hassle trying it on Friday morning and getting stuck in traffic, and have something to do when I get there.
And, a Spitfire at 50 feet.
Interesting that some of the key benefits are as follows:
As well as GRRC Members, Fellows will have the guaranteed chance to buy Members’ Meeting tickets, straight after the exclusive Member buying window. Both recieve an ‘early-bird’ discount price until 31 December (up to four tickets per Fellow, unlimited for Members).
Plus, Fellows are able to buy tickets to the sell-out Festival of Speed and Goodwood Revival before the public, after the exclusive Member buying window.
I'm a non member but have been able to:
a) buy FoS tickets until pretty late in the day every year for 11 years now. It takes some pretty poor planning to not end up with a ticket (all days are still available for 2017 as I type this).
b) easily buy Members' Meeting tickets. In fact Goodwood actively try and attract us non-members with glossy brochures to boost attendance and make the event viable.
Most importantly though, the general public have been squeezed year on year into smaller areas. Only last year they removed the viewing area on the paddock side at the top of the hill, apparently solely to create a safe drone filming area. Utter stupidity, particularly as it also meant walking the hill on that side took you to a dead end in the middle of nowhere with absolutely no warning.
As well as GRRC Members, Fellows will have the guaranteed chance to buy Members’ Meeting tickets, straight after the exclusive Member buying window. Both recieve an ‘early-bird’ discount price until 31 December (up to four tickets per Fellow, unlimited for Members).
Plus, Fellows are able to buy tickets to the sell-out Festival of Speed and Goodwood Revival before the public, after the exclusive Member buying window.
I'm a non member but have been able to:
a) buy FoS tickets until pretty late in the day every year for 11 years now. It takes some pretty poor planning to not end up with a ticket (all days are still available for 2017 as I type this).
b) easily buy Members' Meeting tickets. In fact Goodwood actively try and attract us non-members with glossy brochures to boost attendance and make the event viable.
AMArchie said:
One area I'm wondering about is whether this will mean greater numbers that has been the case over the last couple of years at the Members Meeting.
They go on general sale every year as mentioned above, and iirc tickets have always been limited to a set number overall (25k?), so it should make no difference.Ian Wegg said:
Every thread about the FoS and Revival always results in comments about it becoming too crowded now. In reality in 2003, the last year of gate sales, FoS attendance was 158,000 over what was then a three day event. It has never been that high since.
They were giving away thousands of free Friday tickets up until 2007/2008ish through the Times, but it was still reasonably relaxed and a genuine enthusiasts days with few (if any) named drivers. Friday is now basically an extension of Sat/Sun with air displays and star drivers.Most importantly though, the general public have been squeezed year on year into smaller areas. Only last year they removed the viewing area on the paddock side at the top of the hill, apparently solely to create a safe drone filming area. Utter stupidity, particularly as it also meant walking the hill on that side took you to a dead end in the middle of nowhere with absolutely no warning.
Edited by ukaskew on Tuesday 13th June 14:24
ukaskew said:
Interesting that some of the key benefits are as follows:
As well as GRRC Members, Fellows will have the guaranteed chance to buy Members’ Meeting tickets, straight after the exclusive Member buying window.
Plus, Fellows are able to buy tickets to the sell-out Festival of Speed and Goodwood Revival before the public, after the exclusive Member buying window.
They were giving away thousands of free Friday tickets up until 2007/2008ish through the Times, but it was still reasonably relaxed and a genuine enthusiasts days with few (if any) named drivers. Friday is now basically an extension of Sat/Sun with air displays and star drivers.
Most importantly though, the general public have been squeezed year on year into smaller areas. Only last year they removed the viewing area on the paddock side at the top of the hill, apparently solely to create a safe drone filming area. Utter stupidity, particularly as it also meant walking the hill on that side took you to a dead end in the middle of nowhere with absolutely no warning.
Yes, I don't see a major benefit for being on the waiting list/being a Fellow. As stated above, I don't think it is really an issue obtaining tickets unless you leave it way too late.... in which case you won't get them as a member or fellow either. The only really issue here is if you wanted a particular grandstand - which may well sell out before offering to the general public.As well as GRRC Members, Fellows will have the guaranteed chance to buy Members’ Meeting tickets, straight after the exclusive Member buying window.
Plus, Fellows are able to buy tickets to the sell-out Festival of Speed and Goodwood Revival before the public, after the exclusive Member buying window.
AMArchie said:
One area I'm wondering about is whether this will mean greater numbers that has been the case over the last couple of years at the Members Meeting.
They go on general sale every year as mentioned above, and iirc tickets have always been limited to a set number overall (25k?), so it should make no difference.They were giving away thousands of free Friday tickets up until 2007/2008ish through the Times, but it was still reasonably relaxed and a genuine enthusiasts days with few (if any) named drivers. Friday is now basically an extension of Sat/Sun with air displays and star drivers.
Most importantly though, the general public have been squeezed year on year into smaller areas. Only last year they removed the viewing area on the paddock side at the top of the hill, apparently solely to create a safe drone filming area. Utter stupidity, particularly as it also meant walking the hill on that side took you to a dead end in the middle of nowhere with absolutely no warning.
I thought the MM was limited to 20k tickets - but the first year (72nd) that number was not attained. It looks a bit bare at the MM, but that is mainly as people don't move around.
The character of the FoS seems to have changed. It doesn't seem to be for the enthusiast anymore.
I am keeping paying my membership... otherwise I would miss out on this week's offer. GRRC tour in Italy - only £6250 each.
Probably a great tour - but I am not in that league of spending.
I've been a GRRC member for quite a few years now and although I doubt I'm the target demographic, no tweed, no cords and no Bentlley, there have been SOME benefits, especially when it has poured down and I've been able to dry off in the GRRC marquee whilst continuing to watch the action on the TV.
However, I've become more and more disillusioned and frankly the discounts we get seem to be on over priced articles in the first place.
This latest announcement is a blatant attempt to squeeze even more money out of people, as well as increase their database, which they can then sell onto "interested parties"
Does anyone know what the current bank balance of the GRRC is?
However, I've become more and more disillusioned and frankly the discounts we get seem to be on over priced articles in the first place.
This latest announcement is a blatant attempt to squeeze even more money out of people, as well as increase their database, which they can then sell onto "interested parties"
Does anyone know what the current bank balance of the GRRC is?
countzero said:
Does anyone know what the current bank balance of the GRRC is?
https://beta.companieshouse.gov.uk/company/0046617...download=0No, but 5.8M profit last year.
Interesting figures:
FoS attendance: 197000
Revival: 149000
MM: 30000
Edited by No ideas for a name on Tuesday 13th June 16:41
No ideas for a name said:
Actually 2015. And be aware that those are the accounts for "Goodwood Road Racing Company Limited", there is no way (as far as I am aware) to extrapolate any figures for the club known as GRRC. Ian Wegg said:
Since 2004 the FoS and Revival have both been limited to 50,000 tickets each day and they always sell out.
Every thread about the FoS and Revival always results in comments about it becoming too crowded now. In reality in 2003, the last year of gate sales, FoS attendance was 158,000 over what was then a three day event. It has never been that high since.
197k mentioned in the report linked above for FoS suggests way more than 50k per day on Sat/Sun unless they are attracting 47k on Thursday (nowhere near) and selling out on Friday (which I don't think they always do).Every thread about the FoS and Revival always results in comments about it becoming too crowded now. In reality in 2003, the last year of gate sales, FoS attendance was 158,000 over what was then a three day event. It has never been that high since.
The numbers they've mentioned certainly feel bigger than 10+ years ago, way way bigger. That plus comparatively increasing space for the well healed few and decreasing it on the crowd line for us commoners make it a pretty uncomfortable experience at times.
Edited by ukaskew on Tuesday 13th June 18:33
No ideas for a name said:
Yes, I don't see a major benefit for being on the waiting list/being a Fellow. As stated above, I don't think it is really an issue obtaining tickets unless you leave it way too late.... in which case you won't get them as a member or fellow either. The only really issue here is if you wanted a particular grandstand - which may well sell out before offering to the general public.
I thought the MM was limited to 20k tickets - but the first year (72nd) that number was not attained. It looks a bit bare at the MM, but that is mainly as people don't move around.
The character of the FoS seems to have changed. It doesn't seem to be for the enthusiast anymore.
I am keeping paying my membership... otherwise I would miss out on this week's offer. GRRC tour in Italy - only £6250 each.
Probably a great tour - but I am not in that league of spending.
One of the reasons I didn't renew my membership this year. Everything was out of my league. I just couldn't see the benefit of being s member any more. Think I used an enclosure twice at the events, as I much preferred walking around the site. So the money I saved on not renewing will go towards future tickets for the events. Although I'm not attending any this year as I think we need a year off I thought the MM was limited to 20k tickets - but the first year (72nd) that number was not attained. It looks a bit bare at the MM, but that is mainly as people don't move around.
The character of the FoS seems to have changed. It doesn't seem to be for the enthusiast anymore.
I am keeping paying my membership... otherwise I would miss out on this week's offer. GRRC tour in Italy - only £6250 each.
Probably a great tour - but I am not in that league of spending.
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