GRRC Fellowship
Discussion
E-Type67 said:
I am a Fellow and on the list. I’ve only been on the list for 18 months or so.
Oddly I’ve checked twice to establish waiting times and on my last call they had gone up!
Checked July 2016 estimated 3 to 4 year wait
Checked May 2017 estimated 4 to 5 year wait
It would be interesting to know what the wait is now estimated to be after the Fellowship introduction.
Does anyone know?
I've been on the list for a number of years (at least 5 IIRC). When I asked they had no idea.Oddly I’ve checked twice to establish waiting times and on my last call they had gone up!
Checked July 2016 estimated 3 to 4 year wait
Checked May 2017 estimated 4 to 5 year wait
It would be interesting to know what the wait is now estimated to be after the Fellowship introduction.
Does anyone know?
Getting rather tired of Goodwood actually, prices and shear number of people at most events makes me wonder if I will bother.
There is a waiting list and if it’s being managed fairly (i.e. no one is queue jumping), then Goodwood should be able to tell you exactly where you are on the list.
They should be able to say you are 12,043 on the list and we generally admit 3 to 4,000 members per year.
“No idea” isn’t very helpful.
The Organisers should, at least, have a better idea than the people on the waiting list.
Am I missing something?
They should be able to say you are 12,043 on the list and we generally admit 3 to 4,000 members per year.
“No idea” isn’t very helpful.
The Organisers should, at least, have a better idea than the people on the waiting list.
Am I missing something?
To re-post the link given some 80 replies ago, the comparison of benefits between Fellowship and GRRC is here: www.goodwood.com/fellowship/benefits-comparison
I find it curious that anyone would want to join the GRRC yet object to paying for the subset of benefits while they're waiting; especially since those payments are ultimately refunded.
Ironically when I was on the GRRC forum there were members there considering given up GRRC membership and becoming Fellows instead, the cost of Fellowship being about 17.5% of full GRRC membership.
~iw
I find it curious that anyone would want to join the GRRC yet object to paying for the subset of benefits while they're waiting; especially since those payments are ultimately refunded.
Ironically when I was on the GRRC forum there were members there considering given up GRRC membership and becoming Fellows instead, the cost of Fellowship being about 17.5% of full GRRC membership.
~iw
I just look at the Fellowship as membership LITE ... plus you get on the waiting list...
if you were already on the waiting list and join you get extra stuff and cost refunded when you join anyway... not too sure what people are up in arms about... £40 a year for some goodwood swag (book and stuff) isn't really too bad!
if you were already on the waiting list and join you get extra stuff and cost refunded when you join anyway... not too sure what people are up in arms about... £40 a year for some goodwood swag (book and stuff) isn't really too bad!
+1
BTW one of the benefits tucked away in that list is access to on-demand videos. All the coverage from this year's FoS and Revival plus the on-board footage. For instance, this year's Kinrara trophy has the entire race plus a selection of 11 on-board views. That's nearly 12 hours of HD viewing for one race, and all the races are there. And once you've watched all this year's you can watch some previous ones.
IMHO that alone is worth more than a Netflix subscription.
~iw
BTW one of the benefits tucked away in that list is access to on-demand videos. All the coverage from this year's FoS and Revival plus the on-board footage. For instance, this year's Kinrara trophy has the entire race plus a selection of 11 on-board views. That's nearly 12 hours of HD viewing for one race, and all the races are there. And once you've watched all this year's you can watch some previous ones.
IMHO that alone is worth more than a Netflix subscription.
~iw
Lynchie999 said:
if you were already on the waiting list and join you get extra stuff and cost refunded when you join anyway... not too sure what people are up in arms about... £40 a year for some goodwood swag (book and stuff) isn't really too bad!
I think the Fellowship isn't too bad for the actual fellow. I can't really see the issue with spending (I thought) £29 per year to get some club benefits, and to be on the waiting list - which as others have said you get 'back' if at some point you are offered full membership.More of a 'problem' for me, is that those are really the only benefits that I am able to take up with full membership. However, it isn't Goodwood's fault I live some hundreds of miles away and therefore can't take advantage of the Kennels and other benefits that are easier to make use of if you are local.
Therefore Fellows 'dilute' the membership benefits... again, no issues with the individuals who choose to take advantage of what Goodwood is offering them. Good luck to them - take what is on offer for a low price.
If I wasn't a member I would certainally be joining as a Fellow.
Though I still think full membership has been diluted, I will be spending my £225 this year to renew (and that isn't a small amount of cash to me).
Goodwood never has a clue about the waiting list and they dont care. For the same reason Morgan doesn't much care about their waiting list. Namely: neither of them need to.
This always has and always will continue to remain the case.
The FOS hasnt been worth attending since about 2001/2 when the numbers were ramping up to 150,00 over the weekend. The Revival reached that same "2001/2" stage about 3-4 years ago.
The MM took over from the Revival with the first event and everybody who was there recognised that fact immediately because we all had the same thought: bugger me, its like the first Revival again...thank God! Then the second thought...ahh crap Ray and Mark are dead, so we can't have THAT or THAT again
The same rule about Goodwood events holds true as it does for every other motorsport event...when the number of M3s in the car park becomes noticeable, its time to find a new event to attend as it means the branded clothing brigade have arrived.
This always has and always will continue to remain the case.
The FOS hasnt been worth attending since about 2001/2 when the numbers were ramping up to 150,00 over the weekend. The Revival reached that same "2001/2" stage about 3-4 years ago.
The MM took over from the Revival with the first event and everybody who was there recognised that fact immediately because we all had the same thought: bugger me, its like the first Revival again...thank God! Then the second thought...ahh crap Ray and Mark are dead, so we can't have THAT or THAT again
The same rule about Goodwood events holds true as it does for every other motorsport event...when the number of M3s in the car park becomes noticeable, its time to find a new event to attend as it means the branded clothing brigade have arrived.
DeejRC said:
Goodwood never has a clue about the waiting list and they dont care. For the same reason Morgan doesn't much care about their waiting list. Namely: neither of them need to.
This always has and always will continue to remain the case.
The FOS hasnt been worth attending since about 2001/2 when the numbers were ramping up to 150,00 over the weekend. The Revival reached that same "2001/2" stage about 3-4 years ago.
The MM took over from the Revival with the first event and everybody who was there recognised that fact immediately because we all had the same thought: bugger me, its like the first Revival again...thank God! Then the second thought...ahh crap Ray and Mark are dead, so we can't have THAT or THAT again
The same rule about Goodwood events holds true as it does for every other motorsport event...when the number of M3s in the car park becomes noticeable, its time to find a new event to attend as it means the branded clothing brigade have arrived.
Plus one.This always has and always will continue to remain the case.
The FOS hasnt been worth attending since about 2001/2 when the numbers were ramping up to 150,00 over the weekend. The Revival reached that same "2001/2" stage about 3-4 years ago.
The MM took over from the Revival with the first event and everybody who was there recognised that fact immediately because we all had the same thought: bugger me, its like the first Revival again...thank God! Then the second thought...ahh crap Ray and Mark are dead, so we can't have THAT or THAT again
The same rule about Goodwood events holds true as it does for every other motorsport event...when the number of M3s in the car park becomes noticeable, its time to find a new event to attend as it means the branded clothing brigade have arrived.
DeejRC said:
The FOS hasnt been worth attending since about 2001/2 when the numbers were ramping up to 150,00 over the weekend. The Revival reached that same "2001/2" stage about 3-4 years ago.
The MM took over from the Revival with the first event and everybody who was there recognised that fact immediately because we all had the same thought: bugger me, its like the first Revival again...thank God! Then the second thought...ahh crap Ray and Mark are dead, so we can't have THAT or THAT again
The same rule about Goodwood events holds true as it does for every other motorsport event...when the number of M3s in the car park becomes noticeable, its time to find a new event to attend as it means the branded clothing brigade have arrived.
Plus several million.The MM took over from the Revival with the first event and everybody who was there recognised that fact immediately because we all had the same thought: bugger me, its like the first Revival again...thank God! Then the second thought...ahh crap Ray and Mark are dead, so we can't have THAT or THAT again
The same rule about Goodwood events holds true as it does for every other motorsport event...when the number of M3s in the car park becomes noticeable, its time to find a new event to attend as it means the branded clothing brigade have arrived.
I understand it is a commercial operation, and there are plenty of takers for the events. Goodwood is now more of a media operation rather than a motorsports provider for enthusiasts. MM will be ruined in due course I am sure.
I am still going to spend my £225, and I will be at the Members'.... I might go to the FoS, but it will just be the Thursday. I think I will give the Revival a miss this year. It makes my Membership 'expensive' for the benefits.
No ideas for a name said:
DeejRC said:
The FOS hasnt been worth attending since about 2001/2 when the numbers were ramping up to 150,00 over the weekend. The Revival reached that same "2001/2" stage about 3-4 years ago.
The MM took over from the Revival with the first event and everybody who was there recognised that fact immediately because we all had the same thought: bugger me, its like the first Revival again...thank God! Then the second thought...ahh crap Ray and Mark are dead, so we can't have THAT or THAT again
The same rule about Goodwood events holds true as it does for every other motorsport event...when the number of M3s in the car park becomes noticeable, its time to find a new event to attend as it means the branded clothing brigade have arrived.
Plus several million.The MM took over from the Revival with the first event and everybody who was there recognised that fact immediately because we all had the same thought: bugger me, its like the first Revival again...thank God! Then the second thought...ahh crap Ray and Mark are dead, so we can't have THAT or THAT again
The same rule about Goodwood events holds true as it does for every other motorsport event...when the number of M3s in the car park becomes noticeable, its time to find a new event to attend as it means the branded clothing brigade have arrived.
I understand it is a commercial operation, and there are plenty of takers for the events. Goodwood is now more of a media operation rather than a motorsports provider for enthusiasts. MM will be ruined in due course I am sure.
I am still going to spend my £225, and I will be at the Members'.... I might go to the FoS, but it will just be the Thursday. I think I will give the Revival a miss this year. It makes my Membership 'expensive' for the benefits.
I will be attending any events I care to go to through corporate event invites going forward
DeejRC said:
Goodwood never has a clue about the waiting list and they dont care. For the same reason Morgan doesn't much care about their waiting list. Namely: neither of them need to.
This always has and always will continue to remain the case.
The FOS hasnt been worth attending since about 2001/2 when the numbers were ramping up to 150,00 over the weekend. The Revival reached that same "2001/2" stage about 3-4 years ago.
The MM took over from the Revival with the first event and everybody who was there recognised that fact immediately because we all had the same thought: bugger me, its like the first Revival again...thank God! Then the second thought...ahh crap Ray and Mark are dead, so we can't have THAT or THAT again
The same rule about Goodwood events holds true as it does for every other motorsport event...when the number of M3s in the car park becomes noticeable, its time to find a new event to attend as it means the branded clothing brigade have arrived.
+1 apart from your pompous M3 comment which makes you sound like a dick.This always has and always will continue to remain the case.
The FOS hasnt been worth attending since about 2001/2 when the numbers were ramping up to 150,00 over the weekend. The Revival reached that same "2001/2" stage about 3-4 years ago.
The MM took over from the Revival with the first event and everybody who was there recognised that fact immediately because we all had the same thought: bugger me, its like the first Revival again...thank God! Then the second thought...ahh crap Ray and Mark are dead, so we can't have THAT or THAT again
The same rule about Goodwood events holds true as it does for every other motorsport event...when the number of M3s in the car park becomes noticeable, its time to find a new event to attend as it means the branded clothing brigade have arrived.
edo said:
DeejRC said:
Goodwood never has a clue about the waiting list and they dont care. For the same reason Morgan doesn't much care about their waiting list. Namely: neither of them need to.
This always has and always will continue to remain the case.
The FOS hasnt been worth attending since about 2001/2 when the numbers were ramping up to 150,00 over the weekend. The Revival reached that same "2001/2" stage about 3-4 years ago.
The MM took over from the Revival with the first event and everybody who was there recognised that fact immediately because we all had the same thought: bugger me, its like the first Revival again...thank God! Then the second thought...ahh crap Ray and Mark are dead, so we can't have THAT or THAT again
The same rule about Goodwood events holds true as it does for every other motorsport event...when the number of M3s in the car park becomes noticeable, its time to find a new event to attend as it means the branded clothing brigade have arrived.
+1 apart from your pompous M3 comment which makes you sound like a dick.This always has and always will continue to remain the case.
The FOS hasnt been worth attending since about 2001/2 when the numbers were ramping up to 150,00 over the weekend. The Revival reached that same "2001/2" stage about 3-4 years ago.
The MM took over from the Revival with the first event and everybody who was there recognised that fact immediately because we all had the same thought: bugger me, its like the first Revival again...thank God! Then the second thought...ahh crap Ray and Mark are dead, so we can't have THAT or THAT again
The same rule about Goodwood events holds true as it does for every other motorsport event...when the number of M3s in the car park becomes noticeable, its time to find a new event to attend as it means the branded clothing brigade have arrived.
M3s are mildly interesting motors. Generally bought by blokes in their 30s&40s with somewhat of an interest in cars with 1-3 kids and with a little bit of cash.
Goodwood and all motorsport events start out for those with some specialist interests and age range that is explicitly not 30-40yo. They are not generalist events. As they get more popular they get more general interest and start to attract a wider audience and the event starts to cater to them more.
As such as soon as you get to a motorsport or motoring event of some kind and you notice the amount of M3s in the car park then you can be reasonably sure the event has now orientated itself to a market which attracts blokes with families and a little bit of cash that said bloke feels he can get the expenditure past the wife.
Now I dont decry Goodwood this. They HAD to ensure their product moved from the initial generations to the next as frankly their original demographic was one foot in the grave territory. That means moving the target age range from 60+ down to 40+. Nobody really gives much of a f
k about the 30somethings because generally that age range hasnt got spare cash to waste on frivolous stuff like Goodwood.Welcome to the cynical reality of both Goodwood and BMW! Both want High End "cachet" but both are desperate to get the mainstream cash in. I believe the City types call it Brand Management.
RichB said:
What a bizarre post 
My 'plus lots' post didn't really apply to the M3 bit either. But I didn't take it literally.On my last visit to the Revival (this year), there was a fair mix of machinery in the car park (though I was only in the Members' parking). Quite varied, from new exotica through to older run-of-the-mill stuff. No one seemed to care what you turned up in. Of course, this year we were all equally stuck in mud.
The only time I have been to the FoS I did seem to think there was the branded clothing (i.e. Ferrari Jackets) brigade out in force.... It looks like that is what the event now attracts. Then again who cares what others wear - what I do care about is the attitude of 'me me me' that seems to go with it - it just isn't very civilised. I had two rude people stand straight in front of me when listening to Alain Prost being interviewed, and also when waiting to speak to JYS. Such behaviour ruined the day, and my Mrs (who is quite small) now won't go because she felt she was being pushed about by these people.
CaptainRAVE said:
Funny, having ignored this 'offer' and their multiple phone calls, they have now offered me full membership. Since signing up on the waiting list years ago though I have since moved further away, so not sure it is worth it. It has also become a bit too popular these days.
I told them where to go with the fellowship concept (after years on waiting list), and since their cold call fellowship sales tactic flopped i've also been offered full GRRC membership, however their handling of all this has entirely soured my interest (having been a regular attendee for many years, even marshalling a few times).It's £410 which is cheaper than most 'members club' type establishments (but i swear used to be much less?), but i'm struggling to see the benefits to be honest, aside from a VIP pin badge for the two main events of the year - what else do you actually get? If i go with a plus 1 (non-member SWMBO) will she get the same access i get on the day to fos/revival? It seems like every other 'benefit' is at extra cost, alongside thousands of other members.
i've been considering either
A. the fellowship is just a way to measure your willingness to be further down the queue 'we dont know exact positions, but can say rough timelines',
or B. so many people in front of my queue spot were put off by the fellowship concept the '6 months' became 2 weeks instantly. it's all very suspicious.
Edited by jimmybell on Thursday 16th November 13:44
In answer to your access question at the FoS and Revival, the answer is generally yes... you can have two paddock passes at the Revival and can take a guest into the club enclosures at both events. The enclosures that require additional payment will require you to buy two tickets but I've never bothered and don't feel I've missed anything.
Worth noting that on the Thursday of FoS you get two free entrance tickets and free entry for two to the Kinrara enclosure which is quite expensive on the other days.
Worth noting that on the Thursday of FoS you get two free entrance tickets and free entry for two to the Kinrara enclosure which is quite expensive on the other days.
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