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anonymous-user

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53 months

Friday 9th June 2017
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Countdown

39,690 posts

195 months

Friday 9th June 2017
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I think that's pretty much what every generation says about those who are 2 or more generations behind them.

Society, values, behaviours, all change. I'm sure if you told our grandparents generation that it would be common for people to have children without getting married, or that men/ women have multiple partners throughout their lives, or that single parents would be relatively common in the UK, they would have been surprised or even shocked.


Don

28,377 posts

283 months

Friday 9th June 2017
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Countdown said:
I think that's pretty much what every generation says about those who are 2 or more generations behind them.

Society, values, behaviours, all change. I'm sure if you told our grandparents generation that it would be common for people to have children without getting married, or that men/ women have multiple partners throughout their lives, or that single parents would be relatively common in the UK, they would have been surprised or even shocked.
I agree. It's all gone to the dogs.

Does that with every generation. I think this is business as usual...

J4CKO

41,287 posts

199 months

Friday 9th June 2017
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Bloody Punk Rockers, bring back national service, dont know they are born !

vikingaero

10,256 posts

168 months

Saturday 10th June 2017
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It's your generations fault! biggrintongue out I don't know why but I find a lot of people who were the product of the 60's to be pushy/angry/annoying grannies and grandads. I think they were the first generation to have proper freedom and wealth without necessarily adopting responsibility. Each successive generation has become more louche and self obsessed. I remember walking down the street with my sister and her being smacked by a stranger because her bra strap had slipped out of her top.

Then look at those in the 70's - your dad or grandad who you looked up to but in hindsight was a striking workshy BL worker.

Millennials nowadays seem to either go into work or further education or turn into NEETS - Not in Education, Employment, or Training. My cousin has a 31 year old daughter who has completed her A-Levels, Degree, Masters and further studies but apart from the odd placement has never held a job in her life. She is bankrolled by her parents, has a flat in Docklands and keeps making excuses for her next studies because it will help her future.

I think Millennials struggle because they are allowed to snowflake and do nothing. I do try to give advice - don't be like me and do a wishy washy degree - do specific single subject degrees (law/maths/physics/history/medicine) rather than bullst (travel & tourism/music - unless you are really good at it/communications).

Dagnir

1,836 posts

162 months

Saturday 10th June 2017
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All because parents are scared of smacking their kids.

That's where most of our discipline came from, right?

Respect works but not all the time and with everyone.

g3org3y

20,606 posts

190 months

Saturday 10th June 2017
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Socrates said:
"The children now love luxury; they have bad manners, contempt for authority; they show disrespect for elders and love chatter in place
of exercise. Children are now tyrants, not the servants of their households. They no longer rise when elders enter the room. They contradict their parents, chatter before company, gobble up dainties at the table, cross their legs, and tyrannize their teachers.
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EDLT

15,421 posts

205 months

Saturday 10th June 2017
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I blame their parents who couldn't instil a sense of work ethic. Probably out getting stoned and having sex parties like it's still the 60s. Bloody hippies.

RDMcG

19,096 posts

206 months

Saturday 10th June 2017
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I do think that things are much tougher than when I was young..graduated fro university in 1970 and there was a growing world with a lot of optimism. I had choices of jobs. Proper pensions were the norm, health care was more accessible. job changes were far fewer, and housing was relatively affordable. No rose coloured glasses.

Today, the millenneais face the deterioration of social services, housing they cannot afford, deteriorated pensions, low job security, constant erosion of the formerly middle class jobs due more to automation that export, and a fully globalized economy. They also face the massively ageing population of their predecessors who are disobliging healthy but who will consume most of their assets as they age and need medical care.

Yes there are silly issues of self entitlement, but underlying this is a very serious issue about being able to be self sufficient and independent. I have some sympathy.

JulianHJ

8,733 posts

261 months

Saturday 10th June 2017
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I would imagine you are insulated from the realities of inner-city (pond)life. Gang violence is very much alive and well. Stabbings and shootings are daily occurrences in most big places.

generationx

6,645 posts

104 months

Saturday 10th June 2017
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A bit of a generalisation. The engineering company I work in has many in their early to mid twenties all of whom are intelligent high achievers. All are great company too.

anonymous-user

Original Poster:

53 months

Saturday 10th June 2017
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Plus ca change plus ce la meme chose.

bitchstewie

50,781 posts

209 months

Saturday 10th June 2017
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Flip side is I work with some younger people who have some amazing enthusiasm and ideas but are totally stifled by people your age who can't change won't change and don't want to change.

GetCarter

29,358 posts

278 months

Saturday 10th June 2017
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I know some really great kids of this age.

I think the difference between O/P's generation (mine as well), is that kids these days are told 'You can do anything as long as you want it enough'... and sadly, many believe, and even expect it.

It ain't true kids. It's possible, but rare.

Butter Face

30,192 posts

159 months

Saturday 10th June 2017
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g3org3y said:
Socrates said:
"The children now love luxury; they have bad manners, contempt for authority; they show disrespect for elders and love chatter in place
of exercise. Children are now tyrants, not the servants of their households. They no longer rise when elders enter the room. They contradict their parents, chatter before company, gobble up dainties at the table, cross their legs, and tyrannize their teachers.
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All started going wrong about 439BC IMO. Bloody yoofs!

grumbledoak

31,499 posts

232 months

Saturday 10th June 2017
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Plenty of intelligence and enthusiasm in some. Others appear to have been given a Gold Star every time they pissed in the right room all through their school careers, and have not correctly ascertained the reason for this.

wst

3,494 posts

160 months

Saturday 10th June 2017
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The children now love luxury; they have bad manners, contempt for authority; they show disrespect for elders and love chatter in place of exercise. Children are now tyrants, not the servants of their households. They no longer rise when elders enter the room. They contradict their parents, chatter before company, gobble up dainties at the table, cross their legs, and tyrannize their teachers.

- Socrates (Well, that's who Plato attributed it to)

The degradation of humanity since this quote is most clearly visible in the eloquence of how it's said by each successive generation wink

bitchstewie

50,781 posts

209 months

Saturday 10th June 2017
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There are plenty who don't, but there's plenty of older people who don't care either and are just seeing out their last few years waiting until the optimal moment to pick up their pension.

Stifle? Simple, often they have good ideas but some of the older generation are scared stless of change, they can't or won't adapt and they don't like it.

Not all of your generation are like that but it's certainly a thing and it definitely has "gone wrong for some" smile

Monochrome

831 posts

195 months

Saturday 10th June 2017
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wst said:
The children now love luxury; they have bad manners, contempt for authority; they show disrespect for elders and love chatter in place of exercise. Children are now tyrants, not the servants of their households. They no longer rise when elders enter the room. They contradict their parents, chatter before company, gobble up dainties at the table, cross their legs, and tyrannize their teachers.

- Socrates (Well, that's who Plato attributed it to)

The degradation of humanity since this quote is most clearly visible in the eloquence of how it's said by each successive generation wink
Excellent quote, I've got a nagging suspicion that I've seen it somewhere recently.

Edited by Monochrome on Saturday 10th June 17:47

Likes Fast Cars

2,769 posts

164 months

Saturday 10th June 2017
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A lot of the attitude from these younger generation people also comes down to how their parents raise them and the expectations set at home.

Some of them think they're entitled to progress to the CEO's job after 2 years of working, their attitude sucks to be honest. But there are some good ones who take responsibility and aren't afraid to roll up their sleeves and get into it.

Culture could be a factor.
I've also worked with a lot of Indians in recent times ranging in age from fresh graduates (23+) to more experienced (40+years of age), in general the younger ones are very good, very focussed, and take responsibility; the flip side is they can rarely "think outside the box" and rely on a lot of guidance and the experience of the "grey haired" lot.

Also found Eastern Europeans to be good, Serbians, Poles, they're prepared to out in the effort and learn, progress on merit, and take responsibility and I think is done to having to fight a bit harder to get ahead;' it;s not all handed to them, their parents encourage to go out and study, work hard, and be rewarded based on what they put in.