RE: Jaguar XE SV Project 8 - official!

RE: Jaguar XE SV Project 8 - official!

Wednesday 28th June 2017

Jaguar XE SV Project 8 - official!

600hp, 200mph and £150K - full details on that incredible XE here



Yes, it really is that much money. No, there isn't a Nurburgring lap time yet. And no, it isn't rear-wheel drive, though we are promised the most rear-biased all-wheel drive Jaguar ever. Thought we'd clear up those points early doors.

Fear not; it does skids
Fear not; it does skids
Because, quite frankly, there's a hell of a lot to be excited about with this XE Project 8. We've had a look around some pre-production cars, spoken to the people who've built it and generally got in rather a tizz about a Jaguar saloon with genuine downforce, with circuit focus unprecedented for the brand and with 600 bloomin horsepower.

Let's backtrack a bit first though, to the Project 7. That was the D-Type-inspired, F-Type-based SVO limited edition from 2013, its first such creation. That's considered a success, with all selling out very quickly and used values still way above original RRP. Beyond the obvious bodystyle differences though, the 8 is a very, very different prospect (and project) to the 7.

That car was predominantly a styling exercise, a nice homage to an icon with a slight performance gain; this car is described as the most track focused Jaguar ever - yes, more so than the XKR-S GT - and led predominantly by the engineers. So while some wanted rid of the big wing, that was forbidden because it would mess with the aero. It's why the headlights are 14mm further forward than a standard XE, necessitated by the larger wheel and tyre assembly. And it's why new rear doors were created for this car; not for style, but because the arch extensions for the wider rear track meant the standard ones simply wouldn't fit. "Form follows function" is a line repeated frequently at the presentation evening, and that's exactly how we like our fast cars, isn't it?

Actual downforce! On an XE!
Actual downforce! On an XE!
Everywhere you look there are incredible details that subtly (or otherwise) hint at the performance potential. That rear wing is adjustable on its aluminium uprights, the aero cut outs around the rear wheels are savage and the exhaust/diffuser arrangement looks like it might take the tarmac with it. It would be a stretch to call the XE pretty, but by heck does it look fast.

How fast? 0-62mph in 3.7 seconds and 200mph fast, apparently, thanks to the most powerful version yet of the 5.0-litre supercharged V8. The eight-speed auto and all-wheel drive are standard. Interestingly SVO says that lap times are "a priority" for this car, with the engineering obstacle therefore being the balance between the downforce required for high-speed cornering and the lack of drag needed for 200mph. Without a wind tunnel at Jaguar, the vast majority of this work has been done in CFD - it produces 122kg of downforce at 186mph.

Seriously, this is what a Track Pack will look like
Seriously, this is what a Track Pack will look like
What else contributes to the track kudos? Cup 2s are standard fit, 265-section at the front and 305-section at the rear, with 20-inch forged wheels. Ceramic brakes are hidden behind them, 400mm discs at the front and 396mm behind and said to use motorsport-spec fluid. The suspension is manually adjustable too; while the dampers are still continuously variable items, the uprated springs sit on adjustable platforms that can lower the car by 15mm for track. Also new underneath are stiffer bushes, machined-from-billet knuckles that reduce unsprung mass, ball joints instead of bushes for the rear upper control arm assembly and revised EPAS. The Jaguar e-diff works with the Intelligent Driveline Dynamics all-wheel drive, and has a standard cooler; presumably that's in response to a few hot differentials in XFRs. And you thought it was just an XE with a big wing...

In fact it's said that 75 per cent of the Project 8 is unique, up to and including (deep breath): the aluminium rear wings, the aluminium rear doors, the carbon front wings, the carbon bonnet, the carbon splitter, the carbon side skirts and the flat underfloor. It's the same aluminium intensive architecture underneath the Project 8 as underpins the standard XE.

Coming to a track near you (hopefully)
Coming to a track near you (hopefully)
Despite these changes, the XE SV Project 8 still weighs 1,745kg with fluids but without a driver; for reference an M4 GTS is 1,510kg by the same measure, though is down 100hp and lacks the all-wheel drive. A Track Pack removes the rear seats, replaces the fronts with a pair of carbon-shelled items (with harnesses) and puts a 'Harness Retention Hoop' where the seats were. It saves 12kg.

There isn't a price yet for the Track Pack but, as you may have seen, there is a price for the car: £149,995. More than a Project 7 was, more than the M4 GTS was and more than, well, quite a lot of cars. Jaguar says the price reflects the "high-value engineering content and hand-built assembly process" of the car. Just 300 will be made, all in left-hand drive, and all to be assembled at the new SVO Technical Centre. Three standard colours are offered, with another five optional, but the sky's the limit as far as customisation is concerned: if you want it, SVO will make it happen. Wonder if they could do a green TWR livery on it? If you want one, best move fast...

 

 

 

 

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Bencolem

Original Poster:

1,016 posts

239 months

Wednesday 28th June 2017
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I don't understand how it can be so heavy if it uses an aluminum platform and carbon fiber bodywork?

RobDickinson

31,343 posts

254 months

Wednesday 28th June 2017
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So where the Holden HSV etc have already been?

HeMightBeBanned

617 posts

178 months

Wednesday 28th June 2017
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Why are Jags so always so bloody heavy? The F-Type is laughably portly considering its extensive use of aluminium and this Project 8 'special' with lots of exotic materials weighs more than my Mercedes estate.

Evilex

512 posts

104 months

Wednesday 28th June 2017
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HeMightBeBanned said:
Why are Jags so always so bloody heavy? The F-Type is laughably portly considering its extensive use of aluminium and this Project 8 'special' with lots of exotic materials weighs more than my Mercedes estate.
It's the traditional Jag way of adding "downforce".
And why have rear doors at all? There's no rear seats, right? Just weld them shut and remove all the gubbins to save some more weight, plastic instead of glass, no window motors and mechanisms..

99dndd

2,079 posts

89 months

Wednesday 28th June 2017
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Article said:
Just 300 will be made, all in left-hand drive,
That's funny, I thought they drove on the left in India.

Stunning looking car though, credit to the engineers.

minerva

756 posts

204 months

Wednesday 28th June 2017
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When they built the R35 GTR, they told us that it "had to" be that heavy. Partly to house the technology (it was a deeply impressive car in 2007 - so I'm lead to believe) and partly because, if it were lighter, it would have been too quick for the road(?)
This jaguar will probably not have the same level of four wheel drive system. It will not be as fast as the GTR.
So, please can someone who works for jaguar and who frequents these pages, tell us why it is 1700kg+ ? Is it simply that the others lie about their weights like they do their emissions? ;-)

RobGT81

5,229 posts

186 months

Wednesday 28th June 2017
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It weighs how much?!

Nothing really exciting about this car, as with all the of the SVR models. Throw the old V8 S/C at it, job done apparently.

Edited by RobGT81 on Wednesday 28th June 08:15

FN2TypeR

7,091 posts

93 months

Wednesday 28th June 2017
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Evilex said:
HeMightBeBanned said:
Why are Jags so always so bloody heavy? The F-Type is laughably portly considering its extensive use of aluminium and this Project 8 'special' with lots of exotic materials weighs more than my Mercedes estate.
It's the traditional Jag way of adding "downforce".
And why have rear doors at all? There's no rear seats, right? Just weld them shut and remove all the gubbins to save some more weight, plastic instead of glass, no window motors and mechanisms..
One of the pictures shows rear seats and one doesn't - the one that has the harnesses fitted to the front seats, it's dependant on whether you spec the track pack or not.

J4CKO

41,457 posts

200 months

Wednesday 28th June 2017
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What a bunch of miseries, a 600 bhp, 4wd saloon and all you can do is moan ?

Do you sit at home weighing your cars ? its never going to weigh much less, it has a honking great supercharged V8, four wheel drive and all the kit to deal with that power and grip, its never going to be a Caterham is it ? that type of car, what should it weigh ? even if it was 150 kilos less, you arent actually going to notice on the road, do you all diet down to 9 stone and not take passengers to save a few kilos ? 600 bhp will move it with alacrity and if a few extra kilos makes all the difference when cornering on the road, slow down !

Point being, it could be a bit lighter but you have to look at stuff as a package, I reckon it will be epic, after all its not like a normal XFR is a pile of rubbish and they have less power and are even heavier.




a6khu

106 posts

227 months

Wednesday 28th June 2017
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99dndd said:
That's funny, I thought they drove on the left in India.

Stunning looking car though, credit to the engineers.
How is that funny?

Vocht

1,631 posts

164 months

Wednesday 28th June 2017
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The track pack seats look just like the ones from a P1... 600bhp, 200mph, flared arches, roll cage, aggressive styling, the want is strong!

Hitch

6,105 posts

194 months

Wednesday 28th June 2017
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Agree about the moaners. This is epic!

NickCQ

5,392 posts

96 months

Wednesday 28th June 2017
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Who is actually going to buy this? It's a genuine question as I do not see the attraction of owning this car or understand the target buyer profile.

Ninja59

3,691 posts

112 months

Wednesday 28th June 2017
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NickCQ said:
Who is actually going to buy this? It's a genuine question as I do not see the attraction of owning this car or understand the target buyer profile.
Collectors who bought Project 7 probably never to see the light of day....

FN2TypeR

7,091 posts

93 months

Wednesday 28th June 2017
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Vocht said:
The track pack seats look just like the ones from a P1... 600bhp, 200mph, flared arches, roll cage, aggressive styling, the want is strong!
I like it too - particularly in that orange, is that the same one that the F Type is available in?

Love it cloud9

Kenny Powers

2,618 posts

127 months

Wednesday 28th June 2017
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Bespoke rear doors is a big deal from an engineering perspective. The door lines at Solihull are not capable of producing aluminium items, and definitely not ones of a different shape. Either these are reworked and reskinned standard rear doors, or they are fabricating them in an entire custom facility. There goes most of the £150k right there.

The different rear quarter bodyside is more likely to fit through the standard lines, but also more likely to be custom reworked after the standard body-in-white is complete. I can guarantee that the majority of the exotic price tag for this vehicle comes from the custom bodywork and doors.

AshBurrows

2,552 posts

162 months

Wednesday 28th June 2017
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The bumpers are hideous and the rear door line hilarious.
Absolutely gutted it's LHD only, limited and 4WD only. Genuinely hoped for a legit M3/63/QV competitor.

NickCQ

5,392 posts

96 months

Wednesday 28th June 2017
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Ninja59 said:
NickCQ said:
Who is actually going to buy this? It's a genuine question as I do not see the attraction of owning this car or understand the target buyer profile.
Collectors who bought Project 7 probably never to see the light of day....
Potentially. Although I think Project 7 is a more obvious investment bet compared to this. If I wanted a wing 'n' cage track-focused super-saloon (again, why would you?) it would be hard to choose this over the fastest M4.

IanJ9375

1,468 posts

216 months

Wednesday 28th June 2017
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Bonkers - love it!

Hope the special projects rub off on future products in small ways of course - I'm not expecting crazy wings and carbon everything on the derv XE's lol

GranCab

2,902 posts

146 months

Wednesday 28th June 2017
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Ohh look - a 600+ BHP 4 door 4WD saloon (also available in RHD) for circa £90K - sorry Jag you are late to the party.