Revival air display

Revival air display

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aeropilot

34,526 posts

227 months

Tuesday 11th September 2018
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Trophybloo said:
Eric Mc said:
Quoting a 2007 piece of legislation in respect of a 1998 event does seem a bit irrelevant, I have to say.
UK Rules of the Air 1996 were exactly the same regarding the 500 and 1000 ft rules. The event organisers had no legal control over RH, that role is ATC. Yes I am a dog with a bone where ill-founded assertions masquerading as fact get spread around. I didn't know before this thread started but am pretty sure now that too many blind eyes were turned in the past. A bking from Organisers was shrug offable - A formal ATC report wouldn't have been.
From memory of what I've seen posted elsewhere from within....... it was someone from the CAA that 'had a word' with Ray, not someone from the event organisation.

Anyway, that pass down the startline was actually quite high compared to some of his flying in his RAF days.....





72twink

963 posts

242 months

Tuesday 11th September 2018
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[quote] Anyway, that pass down the startline was actually quite high compared to some of his flying in his RAF days.....
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Or even in MH434 .........


Eric Mc

121,958 posts

265 months

Wednesday 12th September 2018
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Low level passes per se do not normally cause accidents at air shows. The vast majority of accidents at air shows are caused by roll and loop manoeuvers improperly carried out.

Shoreham, the B-26 at Biggin Hill in 1980, the P-38 crash at Duxford, the Blackhawk helicopter at Farnborough in 1974 - all had this as their common factor. And that's just the UK.

GOATever

2,651 posts

67 months

Wednesday 12th September 2018
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aeropilot said:
From memory of what I've seen posted elsewhere from within....... it was someone from the CAA that 'had a word' with Ray, not someone from the event organisation.

Anyway, that pass down the startline was actually quite high compared to some of his flying in his RAF days.....
Given he was fundamental in the set up of the Red Arrows, I think we can take it as read that he knew what he was about, regarding aerobatic displays.

Tempest_5

603 posts

197 months

Saturday 29th September 2018
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Eric is right on the fact loops and rolls account for the majority of airshow accidents. Recently I was organising my old airshow photos from the eighties & nineties and it is quite sobering the number of aircraft & pilots in the photos that are no longer with us. Gary Numan gave up display flying due to the number of friends and display flying colleagues that he lost. Others I can think off lost to loops and rolls include the P-63 King Cobra at Biggin Hill, Hurricane at Shoreham, F4 Phantom at Abingdon, Spitfire at Woodbridge and the Mosquito, though the Mossie was due to incorrectly set up carbs causing loss of power when it rolled.