78th Members Meeting
Discussion
i think density was a good point, after all at a football match you can't be close to 80,000 people.
personally i want to avoid C19 for a few weeks until we know more and i'm better covered if things went wrong.
for the fit, deliberately getting it in summer, rather than be vulnerable next winter, could be prudent.
Anyway, with some appropriate precautions the MM is far, far from a high risk activity. sadly, it'll still fall under a "large gathering" definition though.
personally i want to avoid C19 for a few weeks until we know more and i'm better covered if things went wrong.
for the fit, deliberately getting it in summer, rather than be vulnerable next winter, could be prudent.
Anyway, with some appropriate precautions the MM is far, far from a high risk activity. sadly, it'll still fall under a "large gathering" definition though.
RichB said:
ecsrobin said:
I imagine it’s to do with insurance. If Goodwood cancel it’s out of their pocket. If government forces them to cancel insurance pay.
Newsnight are now saying that the word is that all mass gatherings will be banned from next weekend. As far as I can tell GW is saying tickets remain valid if the event is postponed.
We really don't know, and I don't want to stir up doubt, but the position isn't as clear if it is cancelled.
The key will be the insurance situation - which will almost certainly be as escrobin says.
T&Cs are interesting (we all read them before puchasing our tickets didn't we)..
7.1 We are unable to offer refunds or exchanges in respect of Ticketing purchased unless the relevant Goodwood Event is cancelled due to circumstance(s) for which we are covered by our relevant insurance cover.
Not sure that is a fair contract term - but again, that is what is stated.
More worrying is section 10
10FORCE MAJEURE10.1 Whilst we shall endeavour to fulfil your Orders for Ticketing swiftly and efficiently, we shall not be liable for any delay in performing or any failure to perform any of our obligations under these Conditions if the delay of failure was due to a reason of Force Majeure.10.2 Save as provided above, we shall not be liable to any attendee at a Goodwood Event if and to the extent that any failure or omission by us results from a reason of Force Majeure.10.3 In this clause 10, a reason of Force Majeure includes any event beyond our reasonable control such as, but not limited to, war, acts of terrorism, civil disturbance, any order or act of a governmental or regulatory body, failure of utilities, fire, flood, adverse weather conditions, communicable diseases, death of the Monarch, labour dispute, strike, lock-out, disease, epidemic or other circumstances concerning the healthcare or well-being of humans or animals.
I estimate that ticket sales are around £4M (20k people * average £200 ticket + grandstand), if insurance desn't cover that, then a big hit for GW. Remember GW doesn't do this for fun - they are a business. If they are hit with big losses, then that will affect the events tha they can run for us in the future.
You'd hope that they'd at least offer the option of transferring your ticket to 2021 if there is an enforced govt cancellation.
All the events I'm aware of that have simply taken it upon themselves to cancel anyway recently have offered full refunds or tickets remain valid for the rescheduled/next event, and I dare say many appear to be companies surely in more precarious financial situations than Goodwood.
All the events I'm aware of that have simply taken it upon themselves to cancel anyway recently have offered full refunds or tickets remain valid for the rescheduled/next event, and I dare say many appear to be companies surely in more precarious financial situations than Goodwood.
ecsrobin said:
All front page headlines are suggesting Monday could be decision day on if large scale events go ahead. Sadly I think the event will be cancelled as it’s right at peak predicted virus stage.
.. hopefully just postponed... might be a window in May perhaps to get it in before FOS ? For those who don't know, Goodwood's web page on the current status is at https://www.goodwood.com/coronavirus-faqs/
Presently saying it is 'planned to go ahead' - in my view they will change probably on Monday.
The way the hysteria is going, I personally doubt the FoS will run. Restrictions may have ended by then but I don't see how GW can charge ahead with the organisation of that event over the next few months without a high degree of certainty that it will go ahead. I would be very wary if it was my business and I didn't have adequate insurance cover. Even with insurance they have to minimise losses so I guess it would be a big risk to plough headlong in to spending more at this stage.
I am not a doom-monger, but we have to be realistc.
Of course, taking a step back - it is only 'entertainment'. There are bigger things going on that a bit of disappointment about a canceled motor event.
I hope we can get to the other side and the Revival can be just that - a Revival of motorsport in the UK.
Presently saying it is 'planned to go ahead' - in my view they will change probably on Monday.
The way the hysteria is going, I personally doubt the FoS will run. Restrictions may have ended by then but I don't see how GW can charge ahead with the organisation of that event over the next few months without a high degree of certainty that it will go ahead. I would be very wary if it was my business and I didn't have adequate insurance cover. Even with insurance they have to minimise losses so I guess it would be a big risk to plough headlong in to spending more at this stage.
I am not a doom-monger, but we have to be realistc.
Of course, taking a step back - it is only 'entertainment'. There are bigger things going on that a bit of disappointment about a canceled motor event.
I hope we can get to the other side and the Revival can be just that - a Revival of motorsport in the UK.
CABC said:
i thought the CV press briefing just now was excellent.
The one vague aspect was mass gatherings. so, there's no emergency service support, but Goodwood has its own arrangements - private and St Johns. So, still not cancelled..... yet!
Yep still in Goodwood's hands until the govt decide to implement stronger measures.The one vague aspect was mass gatherings. so, there's no emergency service support, but Goodwood has its own arrangements - private and St Johns. So, still not cancelled..... yet!
The Bath Half went ahead with no emergency services support, that's a 12k capacity and easily another 12k spectators.
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