78th Members Meeting

78th Members Meeting

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Simes205

3,657 posts

186 months

Friday 13th March
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What I should have said was that the MM is less populated than the other Goodwood events.

CABC

3,648 posts

59 months

Friday 13th March
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i think density was a good point, after all at a football match you can't be close to 80,000 people.
personally i want to avoid C19 for a few weeks until we know more and i'm better covered if things went wrong.
for the fit, deliberately getting it in summer, rather than be vulnerable next winter, could be prudent.
Anyway, with some appropriate precautions the MM is far, far from a high risk activity. sadly, it'll still fall under a "large gathering" definition though.

ukaskew

6,398 posts

179 months

Friday 13th March
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andyj007 said:
Its on
Goodwood are pressing on but plenty of time for the decision to be taken out of their hands.

That said, got my tickets in the post today, woo hoo!

Ian Wegg

520 posts

98 months

Friday 13th March
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ukaskew said:
Goodwood are pressing on but plenty of time for the decision to be taken out of their hands.
Absolutely, but I'm sure that's the only way. I'd be very surprised if Goodwood made a unilateral decision to abandon the event without being directed to.

ecsrobin

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11,267 posts

123 months

Friday 13th March
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I imagine it’s to do with insurance. If Goodwood cancel it’s out of their pocket. If government forces them to cancel insurance pay.

CrunkleFloop

474 posts

203 months

Friday 13th March
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I really hope it doesn't come to that, I have a 4yo son VERY excited about it.


paulyv

831 posts

81 months

Friday 13th March
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I'm holding out hope for you both Crunklefloop. Wise to draw up a plan B perhaps - I remember that crushing disappointment only a young boy can feel when an exciting plan doesn't work out! A motor museum perhaps?!

RichB

43,852 posts

242 months

Friday 13th March
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ecsrobin said:
I imagine it’s to do with insurance. If Goodwood cancel it’s out of their pocket. If government forces them to cancel insurance pay.
Newsnight are now saying that the word is that all mass gatherings will be banned from next weekend.

No ideas for a name

775 posts

44 months

Friday 13th March
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RichB said:
ecsrobin said:
I imagine it’s to do with insurance. If Goodwood cancel it’s out of their pocket. If government forces them to cancel insurance pay.
Newsnight are now saying that the word is that all mass gatherings will be banned from next weekend.
I think the above posters plus Ian have a handle on this. We all want it to go ahead, but it will soon be out of GW's hands. We can argue if the Government is over-reacting, but it makes no difference - it is what it is.

As far as I can tell GW is saying tickets remain valid if the event is postponed.

We really don't know, and I don't want to stir up doubt, but the position isn't as clear if it is cancelled.
The key will be the insurance situation - which will almost certainly be as escrobin says.

T&Cs are interesting (we all read them before puchasing our tickets didn't we)..

7.1 We are unable to offer refunds or exchanges in respect of Ticketing purchased unless the relevant Goodwood Event is cancelled due to circumstance(s) for which we are covered by our relevant insurance cover.

Not sure that is a fair contract term - but again, that is what is stated.
More worrying is section 10

10FORCE MAJEURE10.1 Whilst we shall endeavour to fulfil your Orders for Ticketing swiftly and efficiently, we shall not be liable for any delay in performing or any failure to perform any of our obligations under these Conditions if the delay of failure was due to a reason of Force Majeure.10.2 Save as provided above, we shall not be liable to any attendee at a Goodwood Event if and to the extent that any failure or omission by us results from a reason of Force Majeure.10.3 In this clause 10, a reason of Force Majeure includes any event beyond our reasonable control such as, but not limited to, war, acts of terrorism, civil disturbance, any order or act of a governmental or regulatory body, failure of utilities, fire, flood, adverse weather conditions, communicable diseases, death of the Monarch, labour dispute, strike, lock-out, disease, epidemic or other circumstances concerning the healthcare or well-being of humans or animals.

I estimate that ticket sales are around £4M (20k people * average £200 ticket + grandstand), if insurance desn't cover that, then a big hit for GW. Remember GW doesn't do this for fun - they are a business. If they are hit with big losses, then that will affect the events tha they can run for us in the future.


ukaskew

6,398 posts

179 months

Saturday 14th March
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You'd hope that they'd at least offer the option of transferring your ticket to 2021 if there is an enforced govt cancellation.

All the events I'm aware of that have simply taken it upon themselves to cancel anyway recently have offered full refunds or tickets remain valid for the rescheduled/next event, and I dare say many appear to be companies surely in more precarious financial situations than Goodwood.

ecsrobin

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11,267 posts

123 months

Saturday 14th March
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All front page headlines are suggesting Monday could be decision day on if large scale events go ahead. Sadly I think the event will be cancelled as it’s right at peak predicted virus stage.

Lynchie999

3,001 posts

111 months

Saturday 14th March
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ecsrobin said:
All front page headlines are suggesting Monday could be decision day on if large scale events go ahead. Sadly I think the event will be cancelled as it’s right at peak predicted virus stage.
.. hopefully just postponed... might be a window in May perhaps to get it in before FOS ?

paulyv

831 posts

81 months

Saturday 14th March
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Do people know if many of the cars that compete travel from abroad especially for the event, or are most of them always based in the UK?

heebeegeetee

27,053 posts

206 months

Sunday 15th March
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Mellow Yellow said:
Not quite, more like 2, 5 people die each day in RTA's but only 38% of those Killed or seriously injured are in a car, most are pedestrians or on bicycle/motorbike. But I get where you're coming from.
Aren’t there about 3 a year killed on bicycle?

No ideas for a name

775 posts

44 months

Sunday 15th March
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For those who don't know, Goodwood's web page on the current status is at https://www.goodwood.com/coronavirus-faqs/

Presently saying it is 'planned to go ahead' - in my view they will change probably on Monday.

The way the hysteria is going, I personally doubt the FoS will run. Restrictions may have ended by then but I don't see how GW can charge ahead with the organisation of that event over the next few months without a high degree of certainty that it will go ahead. I would be very wary if it was my business and I didn't have adequate insurance cover. Even with insurance they have to minimise losses so I guess it would be a big risk to plough headlong in to spending more at this stage.

I am not a doom-monger, but we have to be realistc.

Of course, taking a step back - it is only 'entertainment'. There are bigger things going on that a bit of disappointment about a canceled motor event.
I hope we can get to the other side and the Revival can be just that - a Revival of motorsport in the UK.

andyj007

151 posts

136 months

Sunday 15th March
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"Revival of motorsport in the UK.: like it... smile

CABC

3,648 posts

59 months

Monday 16th March
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i thought the CV press briefing just now was excellent.

The one vague aspect was mass gatherings. so, there's no emergency service support, but Goodwood has its own arrangements - private and St Johns. So, still not cancelled..... yet!

ukaskew

6,398 posts

179 months

Monday 16th March
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CABC said:
i thought the CV press briefing just now was excellent.

The one vague aspect was mass gatherings. so, there's no emergency service support, but Goodwood has its own arrangements - private and St Johns. So, still not cancelled..... yet!
Yep still in Goodwood's hands until the govt decide to implement stronger measures.

The Bath Half went ahead with no emergency services support, that's a 12k capacity and easily another 12k spectators.

Jaaws

161 posts

59 months

Monday 16th March
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'Avoid social contact and non-essential travel' - both of which apply to the MM. That's it I reckon, I won't be going now frown


RichB

43,852 posts

242 months

Monday 16th March
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CABC said:
<clip> there's no emergency service support, but Goodwood has its own arrangements - private and St Johns.
Are you certain? I know St John attend for blisters and headaches but is there really not a senior doctor and ambulance in readiness?