GRRC 2021 Membership
Discussion
No ideas for a name said:
However, thinking a bit more, I suppose that if a member of the public wants to go and doesn't know anyone who can get tickets - they can join the fellowship and they are then allowed to buy directly. £30 isn't a big on cost if you really want to go.
This is what I do, a Fellow solely to buy MM tickets each year. The Revival is a bit too much for me but as MM is by far my favourite event of the year I don't mind paying the additional cost to be guaranteed a ticket. I time my Fellowship purchase to get two years of MM tickets out of it, then skip a year. I don't use any other benefits, don't even know what they are to be honest.I am intrigued though as a few people have said with certainty that if you have a ticket and the event goes ahead then you're in. Have Goodwood said they will only run it if they can at full capacity? What if, for example, they're all set go go ahead and then relatively last minute govt rules say a maximum of 10k in attendance?
ch37 said:
This is what I do, a Fellow solely to buy MM tickets each year. The Revival is a bit too much for me but as MM is by far my favourite event of the year I don't mind paying the additional cost to be guaranteed a ticket. I time my Fellowship purchase to get two years of MM tickets out of it, then skip a year. I don't use any other benefits, don't even know what they are to be honest.
I am intrigued though as a few people have said with certainty that if you have a ticket and the event goes ahead then you're in. Have Goodwood said they will only run it if they can at full capacity? What if, for example, they're all set go go ahead and then relatively last minute govt rules say a maximum of 10k in attendance?
I think you are *famous* on the GRRC forum. Some people were having a go saying someone doing this was 'cheating the system'. I don't see it like that, those are the rules. Goodwood is 'better-off' by half a Fellowship subscription per year.I am intrigued though as a few people have said with certainty that if you have a ticket and the event goes ahead then you're in. Have Goodwood said they will only run it if they can at full capacity? What if, for example, they're all set go go ahead and then relatively last minute govt rules say a maximum of 10k in attendance?
Yes, I didn't quite get this either... I am told that remaining tickets for the 78MM will go on sale shortly. No mention was made to me of cutting back the allocation. As you say, what happens if on 14th May, events can only have 10k attendees?
I guess that if the sold numbers are very much higher than the allowed numbers, then it would be rescheduled again.
Just a guess, but if the numbers were close, maybe allowing some people to exchange their MM ticket for a Revival ticket. That might get the numbers where they need to be voluntarily.
I have renewed - however I am 50% expecting that I won't be getting much for my money.
My prediction is that MM78 will get swallowed up in government* restrictions. FoS I would expect needs big numbers of attendees to make it work - which is very unlikely to be allowed. I also expect the Revival to be cut down. In fact, if it isn't - then I won't be going anyway. My own risk analysis tells me I don't want to be crammed in with 150k hot sweaty people breathing on me at close quarters. I know I can install myself around the back of the circuit, but it would restrict enjoying the whole event.
- I am not having a go at the government - I am not really sure what they can do. It is an unknown, and a moving target.
I was a bit of a non-believer, but recently spent 9 days in intensive care with Covid. I have no idea where I picked it up from (mostly working from home), and certainly not 'old' fat or unfit. It just shouldn't have happened.
Other than missing the events, I do feel sorry for Goodwood and many other entertainments businesses - I can't see how many will survive long-term.
No ideas for a name said:
I think you are *famous* on the GRRC forum. Some people were having a go saying someone doing this was 'cheating the system'. I don't see it like that, those are the rules. Goodwood is 'better-off' by half a Fellowship subscription per year.
I wonder if those members buy tickets for non member friends? I know plenty of people who attend MM by getting tickets on the secondary market every year or asking on forums if a Member will buy them one. I therefore have no concern about how I do it, I'm quite simply giving Goodwood money when I don't even need to!
My photography from the Goodwood events ends up all over the web and I know many people who have gone on to attend based on my write ups and photos etc, so I feel I'm doing 'my bit', as it were!
Edited by ch37 on Thursday 24th December 06:23
So with restrictions unlikely to be lifting much until probably Easter I don’t expect any large scale event to happen before summer if we are lucky. And even then the size of Goodwood events we have not seen in this country since March/April last year? The country had only just started allowing football matches with 2-4,000 spectators before lockdown struck again.
Anyone else of similar thought? Obviously paid up again but if only some events run or none will be another year of giving money for not much in return. Whilst I want Goodwood to continue where do you draw the line of bank rolling them?
Anyone else of similar thought? Obviously paid up again but if only some events run or none will be another year of giving money for not much in return. Whilst I want Goodwood to continue where do you draw the line of bank rolling them?
Yesterday's email from Goodwood said they are pressing ahead.
"Happy New Year! We are very excited to be planning a full calendar of Goodwood motorsport events for 2021.
Despite the current lockdown, we are confident that the planned rollout of vaccinations means that the most important part of our events, the fans, can be welcomed back safely to beautiful West Sussex later in the year."
As said before - I don't see it myself. Unfortunately I think we are at the 'end of the beginning' rather than the 'beginning of the end' in terms of the pandemic.
78MM in May? Too early. I really doubt 20k attendees are going to be allowed anywhere by that time. I realise it can be made almost entirely outside, but I don't see it being seen as sensible for people to travel from all over the country to mix for two days.
FoS in June? Maybe, but not with anything like 200k people. I suspect there is a break-even point on attendees and that is going to be way above anything that will be allowed.
Revival in September? Most likely out of the three, but again with limited numbers. Possibly limited to numbers that means the maths don't stackup.
A personal risk assesment makes me question the wisdom of attending such an event. If FoS or Revival were to run with full numbers, there is no way I want to be squeezed in to an area with thousands of people all breathing on me.
I have paid my subs for this year, but am questioning what we will actually get for them. I suppose it isn't a *lot* of cash at least to some, but it is a fair chunk if you haven't been able to work due to CV-19 and don't get any help from the Government.
Goodwood are still selling tickets! They go on sale next Monday. I do want a 78MM ticket (even though I am possibly thinking this will get 'banked' until next year), but surely GW has sold out the MM last year and the only tickets available will be those that were returned - that can't be many... so, what happens if 20k tickets are sold and the Government allows events up to 5k attendees?
Seems GW are getting in deeper to this mess. I know GW need to survive until we get to the otherside, but blindly saying it is all continuing as normal looks a bit short sighted.
"Happy New Year! We are very excited to be planning a full calendar of Goodwood motorsport events for 2021.
Despite the current lockdown, we are confident that the planned rollout of vaccinations means that the most important part of our events, the fans, can be welcomed back safely to beautiful West Sussex later in the year."
As said before - I don't see it myself. Unfortunately I think we are at the 'end of the beginning' rather than the 'beginning of the end' in terms of the pandemic.
78MM in May? Too early. I really doubt 20k attendees are going to be allowed anywhere by that time. I realise it can be made almost entirely outside, but I don't see it being seen as sensible for people to travel from all over the country to mix for two days.
FoS in June? Maybe, but not with anything like 200k people. I suspect there is a break-even point on attendees and that is going to be way above anything that will be allowed.
Revival in September? Most likely out of the three, but again with limited numbers. Possibly limited to numbers that means the maths don't stackup.
A personal risk assesment makes me question the wisdom of attending such an event. If FoS or Revival were to run with full numbers, there is no way I want to be squeezed in to an area with thousands of people all breathing on me.
I have paid my subs for this year, but am questioning what we will actually get for them. I suppose it isn't a *lot* of cash at least to some, but it is a fair chunk if you haven't been able to work due to CV-19 and don't get any help from the Government.
Goodwood are still selling tickets! They go on sale next Monday. I do want a 78MM ticket (even though I am possibly thinking this will get 'banked' until next year), but surely GW has sold out the MM last year and the only tickets available will be those that were returned - that can't be many... so, what happens if 20k tickets are sold and the Government allows events up to 5k attendees?
Seems GW are getting in deeper to this mess. I know GW need to survive until we get to the otherside, but blindly saying it is all continuing as normal looks a bit short sighted.
I already have my MM tickets and will buy a FoS one simply to let it roll over to 2022 and have a guaranteed ticket for that, as I don't believe for a second either event will go ahead. Much smaller events are already being cancelled well into early summer due to the uncertainty.
I hope I'm wrong, but it seems bonkers to start the significant work on preparing both of those events (MM prep is presumably well underway) given the current state of the country. There isn't a single indicator to suggest that tens of thousands of people will be allowed back at events any time soon, even outdoors. Maybe MM could have gone ahead in the FoS date, but FoS as we know it seems remarkably unlikely given the significant corporate hospitality element to it which presumably is a big reason that makes it profitable.
Vaccine rollout is scheduled to be completed for all adults who want one by Autumn at the earliest. Sure many of the most vulnerable groups should be vaccinated by the time MM rolls around, but even so, hard to see 2021 being in any way 'normal'.
I hope I'm wrong, but it seems bonkers to start the significant work on preparing both of those events (MM prep is presumably well underway) given the current state of the country. There isn't a single indicator to suggest that tens of thousands of people will be allowed back at events any time soon, even outdoors. Maybe MM could have gone ahead in the FoS date, but FoS as we know it seems remarkably unlikely given the significant corporate hospitality element to it which presumably is a big reason that makes it profitable.
Vaccine rollout is scheduled to be completed for all adults who want one by Autumn at the earliest. Sure many of the most vulnerable groups should be vaccinated by the time MM rolls around, but even so, hard to see 2021 being in any way 'normal'.
I agree with what has been said. I will keep my membership going each year and hope that Goodwood as a business survives, even if it will be reduced in years to come, but I really can't see MM happening in a few months time. I guess they are doing the business as usual line to sell the remaining tickets. The other events maybe likely as the weather will be warmer, but as said I cant see how the numbers can be catered for to make it worthwhile. The third wave is still likely in late November/December this year picking up those that refused the vaccine/couldn't be bothered.
I will remain a member though going forward even if not a lot in return this year. One slight thing that was odd was that a friend joined the fellowship in summer 2020 and had several meals/visits at the Kennels off the back of that. So that being touted as a member's perk isn't really one! But thats a whole other can of worms!
As an aside, in February 2020 my wife (NHS Doctor) was told that we can expect this pandemic to run for 2 years. A neighbour of mine who is a fireman was also briefed in February 2020 to expect at least 18 months of pandemic disruption. Taking November 2019 as the start point as it was starting to spread in China at that point we are only past half way......
I will remain a member though going forward even if not a lot in return this year. One slight thing that was odd was that a friend joined the fellowship in summer 2020 and had several meals/visits at the Kennels off the back of that. So that being touted as a member's perk isn't really one! But thats a whole other can of worms!
As an aside, in February 2020 my wife (NHS Doctor) was told that we can expect this pandemic to run for 2 years. A neighbour of mine who is a fireman was also briefed in February 2020 to expect at least 18 months of pandemic disruption. Taking November 2019 as the start point as it was starting to spread in China at that point we are only past half way......
Silverstone Classic is still showing as going ahead - if/when that gets cancelled, we will see an early indicator of the way things are going.
It isn't what I wish for, but the reality is the GW events are not going to happen in their normal form. The sooner GW 'declare' the better in my view.
I am not a a virologist, but I think too much is being made of a vaccine as being a complete solution.I am not a statistition either, but very simply the current vaccine is clamed to have something like being 90% effective. Say 200,000 people crammed together and sharing food queues, toilets and all being in close proximity. Could give 20,000 people the virus, or which 1% could die. That is potentially 200 people from just one event. (I realise some big assumptions there, but it is just to illustrate the point)
Obviously the Goodwood Road Racing Company need to keep going and need to keep the money coming in - not sure what they can offer us if attendences are banned. I doubt another 'closed' event will cut it. I watched a tiny amount last year as I wasn't that interested in most of it. I guess it depends on their 'viewing figures' to see if the sponsors are getting value for money.
I want the events to continue, but they shouldn't bury their heads in the sand.
It isn't what I wish for, but the reality is the GW events are not going to happen in their normal form. The sooner GW 'declare' the better in my view.
I am not a a virologist, but I think too much is being made of a vaccine as being a complete solution.I am not a statistition either, but very simply the current vaccine is clamed to have something like being 90% effective. Say 200,000 people crammed together and sharing food queues, toilets and all being in close proximity. Could give 20,000 people the virus, or which 1% could die. That is potentially 200 people from just one event. (I realise some big assumptions there, but it is just to illustrate the point)
Obviously the Goodwood Road Racing Company need to keep going and need to keep the money coming in - not sure what they can offer us if attendences are banned. I doubt another 'closed' event will cut it. I watched a tiny amount last year as I wasn't that interested in most of it. I guess it depends on their 'viewing figures' to see if the sponsors are getting value for money.
I want the events to continue, but they shouldn't bury their heads in the sand.
Imagine if the families of those 200 or even just some of them die and take legal action due to not quite perfect covid protection measures.....
I bet despite the terms saying we can’t be held accountable if you get it I bet the lawyers would be queueing up.
There’s even 16000 in a class action against BA for their data breach, which happens all the time you just don’t always hear about it!
I bet despite the terms saying we can’t be held accountable if you get it I bet the lawyers would be queueing up.
There’s even 16000 in a class action against BA for their data breach, which happens all the time you just don’t always hear about it!
Most of the venues we work at are now closed until March even if restrictions are lifted before.
We will see a cap for numbers on all events for the rest of the year, I'm thinking we won't be back to pre covid style events until 2022.
It's a rubbish time to be involved in the hospitality industry
We will see a cap for numbers on all events for the rest of the year, I'm thinking we won't be back to pre covid style events until 2022.
It's a rubbish time to be involved in the hospitality industry
Not much any of us can do apart from make personal choices for our own circumstances, be that letting the tickets roll over / giving up or continuing memberships / buying or not buying tickets, Goodwood advertising that events will go ahead (no matter if they do or not) will bring in some revenue, no different to the adverts on TV at the moment for holiday companies with the strap line of 'Jab and Go', they won't know what's going to happen in other countries / if people will be allowed in / what sort of quarantine rules will be in place.
Having the vaccine doesn't mean you can't catch it or transmit it, it just means you are less likely to get the sort of symptoms that will put you in hospital or kill you, no doubt CV19 will continue to mutate and the science will adapt to this, all we can all hope for is getting to a point that it is as safe as it can be to meet up in large numbers.
I've written off all travel out of the UK this year and booked a few short breaks in the UK, memberships have been continued and tickets have been rolled over (not just for Goodwood) as there is likely to be high demand when things get going again.
Will events be cancelled / will there have to be a voluntary roll over for tickets this year if numbers have to be kept lower / if those voluntary ticket roll over numbers aren't enough will there have to be a draw to see who goes or not, I don't know, no doubt Goodwood (and many other companies out there) are going through every single possibility to keep going / retain customers / put on safe events, all we can do is 'our bit' by following the guidance to shorten the time that all this goes on for
Having the vaccine doesn't mean you can't catch it or transmit it, it just means you are less likely to get the sort of symptoms that will put you in hospital or kill you, no doubt CV19 will continue to mutate and the science will adapt to this, all we can all hope for is getting to a point that it is as safe as it can be to meet up in large numbers.
I've written off all travel out of the UK this year and booked a few short breaks in the UK, memberships have been continued and tickets have been rolled over (not just for Goodwood) as there is likely to be high demand when things get going again.
Will events be cancelled / will there have to be a voluntary roll over for tickets this year if numbers have to be kept lower / if those voluntary ticket roll over numbers aren't enough will there have to be a draw to see who goes or not, I don't know, no doubt Goodwood (and many other companies out there) are going through every single possibility to keep going / retain customers / put on safe events, all we can do is 'our bit' by following the guidance to shorten the time that all this goes on for
I have renewed my GRRC membership but don't expect to attend any major events this year. I respect the optimism of the Goodwood team but in my opinion the chance of any of these mass gatherings being allowed and viable this year is very very low. Due to the doubt and reticence of the public to commit in advance even if these events do go ahead I wonder if they will be able to sell adequate tickets to cover costs.
My best guess is that the MM will be cancelled altogether and the Festival of Speed and Revival will have to go virtual only or with very limited numbers following the standard set by Speed Week in 2020. For what it is worth I really enjoyed Speed Week and watched a fair amount of content.
I hope that long suffering GRRC members will be offered something to justify their support and continued membership because two years with nothing to show for it would be too much. Perhaps much smaller scale events can be organised in the form of member only track days, car demonstrations, new car launches, dealer events etc. Anything to allow a limited number of members to attend the track for a day out with something unique to do when you get there.
My best guess is that the MM will be cancelled altogether and the Festival of Speed and Revival will have to go virtual only or with very limited numbers following the standard set by Speed Week in 2020. For what it is worth I really enjoyed Speed Week and watched a fair amount of content.
I hope that long suffering GRRC members will be offered something to justify their support and continued membership because two years with nothing to show for it would be too much. Perhaps much smaller scale events can be organised in the form of member only track days, car demonstrations, new car launches, dealer events etc. Anything to allow a limited number of members to attend the track for a day out with something unique to do when you get there.
willy wombat said:
Does anyone know whether the free Thursday tickets issued to GRRC members for FOS last year are valid for this year? I would ask them if they’d answer the phone.
I have asked them this morning and they said they will get back to me this afternoon. I’ll post here once I get a response. Bobajobbob said:
I have renewed my GRRC membership but don't expect to attend any major events this year. I respect the optimism of the Goodwood team but in my opinion the chance of any of these mass gatherings being allowed and viable this year is very very low. Due to the doubt and reticence of the public to commit in advance even if these events do go ahead I wonder if they will be able to sell adequate tickets to cover costs.
My best guess is that the MM will be cancelled altogether and the Festival of Speed and Revival will have to go virtual only or with very limited numbers following the standard set by Speed Week in 2020. For what it is worth I really enjoyed Speed Week and watched a fair amount of content.
I hope that long suffering GRRC members will be offered something to justify their support and continued membership because two years with nothing to show for it would be too much. Perhaps much smaller scale events can be organised in the form of member only track days, car demonstrations, new car launches, dealer events etc. Anything to allow a limited number of members to attend the track for a day out with something unique to do when you get there.
Lynette only had limited tickets to sell as most had rolled over to 2021 and now I’d expect 2022. I picked up revival tickets today as already had my others but expect them to roll over. My best guess is that the MM will be cancelled altogether and the Festival of Speed and Revival will have to go virtual only or with very limited numbers following the standard set by Speed Week in 2020. For what it is worth I really enjoyed Speed Week and watched a fair amount of content.
I hope that long suffering GRRC members will be offered something to justify their support and continued membership because two years with nothing to show for it would be too much. Perhaps much smaller scale events can be organised in the form of member only track days, car demonstrations, new car launches, dealer events etc. Anything to allow a limited number of members to attend the track for a day out with something unique to do when you get there.
Picked up Thursday FoS and Sunday Revival / Paddock entry tickets this morning to go with what has already been rolled over, gave up on the phone (I know they will be busy / short staffed) website was OK but the payment side was glitching with cards, ended up having to do three transactions to get what we wanted through.
Still it's done now, I suspect by the time it's opened up to the Fellowship there will be very little left so they may not even get to the point where the public have a chance.
As above it's the numbers needed to make the events viable and the 'rules' in place that will determine if any of us get to go, no doubt the team at Goodwood will do everything they can to make them happen.
Still it's done now, I suspect by the time it's opened up to the Fellowship there will be very little left so they may not even get to the point where the public have a chance.
As above it's the numbers needed to make the events viable and the 'rules' in place that will determine if any of us get to go, no doubt the team at Goodwood will do everything they can to make them happen.
mk1coopers said:
Picked up Thursday FoS and Sunday Revival / Paddock entry tickets this morning to go with what has already been rolled over, gave up on the phone (I know they will be busy / short staffed) website was OK but the payment side was glitching with cards, ended up having to do three transactions to get what we wanted through.
Still it's done now, I suspect by the time it's opened up to the Fellowship there will be very little left so they may not even get to the point where the public have a chance.
As above it's the numbers needed to make the events viable and the 'rules' in place that will determine if any of us get to go, no doubt the team at Goodwood will do everything they can to make them happen.
I had an issue with renewals last month that it wouldn’t accept a Visa card so swapped to MasterCard and worked straight away. So today just used a MasterCard to avoid any hassle. Don’t know if you had a similar experience. Still it's done now, I suspect by the time it's opened up to the Fellowship there will be very little left so they may not even get to the point where the public have a chance.
As above it's the numbers needed to make the events viable and the 'rules' in place that will determine if any of us get to go, no doubt the team at Goodwood will do everything they can to make them happen.
ecsrobin said:
I had an issue with renewals last month that it wouldn’t accept a Visa card so swapped to MasterCard and worked straight away. So today just used a MasterCard to avoid any hassle. Don’t know if you had a similar experience.
Fist for info...My VISA didn't work for renewals on-line last month either - but worked over the phone when I rang them.
No issues with VISA for my ticket this morning.
ecsrobin said:
I had an issue with renewals last month that it wouldn’t accept a Visa card so swapped to MasterCard and worked straight away. So today just used a MasterCard to avoid any hassle. Don’t know if you had a similar experience.
Yes, Visa was the issue, swapped over to Amex and it went through 
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