Discussion
cliffords said:
I go hope it does not get tamed down as a result of Saturday's near miss.
I would be surprised if we see nothing as a result of the travelling wheel.
I hate watching cars through wire fence.
If it was an isolated event, it wouldn’t be an issue. However, we’ve seen a car land in the ped tunnel at the Revival, Grant’s failure at the FOS, and now this. I hope for the best, fear for the worst.I would be surprised if we see nothing as a result of the travelling wheel.
I hate watching cars through wire fence.
Dbag101 said:
If it was an isolated event, it wouldn’t be an issue. However, we’ve seen a car land in the ped tunnel at the Revival, Grant’s failure at the FOS, and now this. I hope for the best, fear for the worst.
I agree. I thoroughly enjoyed the weekend - it was fantastic with some amazing racing. But, watching the two big accidents, I do have a feeling of foreboding and that more should be done to reduce predictable risks. I don’t want to see the event emasculated but equally, all reasonable measures should be taken to protect drivers and spectators.bergclimber34 said:
This is the point I guess the prices deter the plenty, but it is incredibly dear to attend and this alone puts me and those I know off I am afraid.
Fair enough, it costs a bit but it really is good value. Give it a go, you may feel it’s worth it.I went for both days, cracking meeting and have fallen in love with Edwardians, 206SP Dino’s and unsilenced Cosworth V12’s.
Boxsterjon said:
Dbag101 said:
If it was an isolated event, it wouldn’t be an issue. However, we’ve seen a car land in the ped tunnel at the Revival, Grant’s failure at the FOS, and now this. I hope for the best, fear for the worst.
I agree. I thoroughly enjoyed the weekend - it was fantastic with some amazing racing. But, watching the two big accidents, I do have a feeling of foreboding and that more should be done to reduce predictable risks. I don’t want to see the event emasculated but equally, all reasonable measures should be taken to protect drivers and spectators.I wouldn’t want see it emasculated.
[quote=A993LAD]I had a fantastic day there yesterday and I'm now comfortably watching the live stream on TV today.
The only thing I found a bit annoying was the amount of track time wasted with stupid promotions that nobody wants but I guess they generate the revenue to keep it running.
Maybe it's only me but I really don't go to Goodwood to see a parade lap of a brand new Le Mans car running at about 50% of its potential or the same from one of Gordon Murray's latest brilliant innovations.
And worst of all is the nearly new GT cars doing single lap shootouts. The commentator was announcing how excited the spectators were to have this on the itinerary. But I didn't meet a single person who is excited about it at all.
For me this is the stuff for festival of speed not the members meeting or the revival.
Most visitors seemed to prefer seeing a full grid of old cars racing on the old circuit. At least based on my detailed research across a wide sample of at least, err, 10 people!
Funniest moment for me all day was when a group of beery jovial lads in the stand seats behind me got very excited when they spotted the race had started on the big screen. Quickly followed by one of them panicking when he spotted there was still a recovery vehicle on the track just in front of our stand. All of them then started exclaiming how the Marshalls could get it so wrong letting the race get underway when they were still clearing up. Finally it dawned on the group that they were actually watching a replay of last year's race being shown on the big screen. Much to the amusement of everyone else sitting around them that was actually paying attention to what was going on.
I think the MM is better than Revival because of the mix of old and new, less pedestrian density , greater access to areas of the circuit, Saturday evening party and greater element of enthusiast attendees
The only thing I found a bit annoying was the amount of track time wasted with stupid promotions that nobody wants but I guess they generate the revenue to keep it running.
Maybe it's only me but I really don't go to Goodwood to see a parade lap of a brand new Le Mans car running at about 50% of its potential or the same from one of Gordon Murray's latest brilliant innovations.
And worst of all is the nearly new GT cars doing single lap shootouts. The commentator was announcing how excited the spectators were to have this on the itinerary. But I didn't meet a single person who is excited about it at all.
For me this is the stuff for festival of speed not the members meeting or the revival.
Most visitors seemed to prefer seeing a full grid of old cars racing on the old circuit. At least based on my detailed research across a wide sample of at least, err, 10 people!
Funniest moment for me all day was when a group of beery jovial lads in the stand seats behind me got very excited when they spotted the race had started on the big screen. Quickly followed by one of them panicking when he spotted there was still a recovery vehicle on the track just in front of our stand. All of them then started exclaiming how the Marshalls could get it so wrong letting the race get underway when they were still clearing up. Finally it dawned on the group that they were actually watching a replay of last year's race being shown on the big screen. Much to the amusement of everyone else sitting around them that was actually paying attention to what was going on.
I think the MM is better than Revival because of the mix of old and new, less pedestrian density , greater access to areas of the circuit, Saturday evening party and greater element of enthusiast attendees
The car landing in the pedestrian tunnel was actually at the 74th Members Meeting. I remember it as that was the first MM we attended and there were some big accidents that weekend including one late on the Sunday where one of the big sportscars went off at Woodcote and the driver was in a bad way.
We commented yesterday that the biggest change at the MM over the years has actually been the gradual phasing out of "gentleman drivers" where their skills may not quite match their machinery. Back then it was full of them. Look at the programme now and it's almost all pro drivers now, particularly in the faster stuff. The standard is far far higher than it was.
We commented yesterday that the biggest change at the MM over the years has actually been the gradual phasing out of "gentleman drivers" where their skills may not quite match their machinery. Back then it was full of them. Look at the programme now and it's almost all pro drivers now, particularly in the faster stuff. The standard is far far higher than it was.
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Edited by coates848 on Monday 14th April 06:50
coates848 said:
The car landing in the pedestrian tunnel was actually at the 74th Members Meeting. I remember it as that was the first MM we attended and there were some big accidents that weekend including one late on the Sunday where one of the big sportscars went off at Woodcote and the driver was in a bad way.
We commented yesterday that the biggest change at the MM over the years has actually been the gradual phasing out of "gentleman drivers" where their skills may not quite match their machinery. Back then it was full of them. Look at the programme now and it's almost all pro drivers now, particularly in the faster stuff. The standard is far far higher than it was.
I’d challenge that. There is far more panel damage now than there used to be, especially in saloons. As for gentleman drivers, my dad finished 4th o/a in St Mary’s in about 2002, and he was a council technician and certainly wouldn’t refer to himself as a gentleman. Quite a few very fast people aren’t pros either, see Nick Swift, Nick Padmore, Justin Law, Grant Williams for example. Yes, they’re in the trade, but they aren’t pros.We commented yesterday that the biggest change at the MM over the years has actually been the gradual phasing out of "gentleman drivers" where their skills may not quite match their machinery. Back then it was full of them. Look at the programme now and it's almost all pro drivers now, particularly in the faster stuff. The standard is far far higher than it was.
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Edited by coates848 on Monday 14th April 06:50
ChevronB19 said:
coates848 said:
The car landing in the pedestrian tunnel was actually at the 74th Members Meeting. I remember it as that was the first MM we attended and there were some big accidents that weekend including one late on the Sunday where one of the big sportscars went off at Woodcote and the driver was in a bad way.
We commented yesterday that the biggest change at the MM over the years has actually been the gradual phasing out of "gentleman drivers" where their skills may not quite match their machinery. Back then it was full of them. Look at the programme now and it's almost all pro drivers now, particularly in the faster stuff. The standard is far far higher than it was.
I’d challenge that. There is far more panel damage now than there used to be, especially in saloons. As for gentleman drivers, my dad finished 4th o/a in St Mary’s in about 2002, and he was a council technician and certainly wouldn’t refer to himself as a gentleman. Quite a few very fast people aren’t pros either, see Nick Swift, Nick Padmore, Justin Law, Grant Williams for example. Yes, they’re in the trade, but they aren’t pros.We commented yesterday that the biggest change at the MM over the years has actually been the gradual phasing out of "gentleman drivers" where their skills may not quite match their machinery. Back then it was full of them. Look at the programme now and it's almost all pro drivers now, particularly in the faster stuff. The standard is far far higher than it was.
Edited by coates848 on Monday 14th April 06:49
Edited by coates848 on Monday 14th April 06:50
Much better event than The Revival for an enthusiast in my opinion and you I like to see the newer stuff dealing with the circuit.
My daughter and I had a lovely encounter with Mike Whitaker.
Having never been to the MM before, but done the FoG and revival before I managed to acquire tickets from a friend that works at GW. Best event that they hold, no hours of queuing, parking ages away, and being unable to visit most spaces. It felt like attending Retro Rides events or such, with the level of attendees.
As mentioned, we loved the racing. Saloons were brilliant, as was the Earle Howe trophy. If it can be managed I’d happily return.
As mentioned, we loved the racing. Saloons were brilliant, as was the Earle Howe trophy. If it can be managed I’d happily return.
Cracking weekend, two days of top-notch motor racing for £130/day including grandstands (or £75/day without the grandstand). So, what do you call expensive? How much is a premier league football match for 90 mins £60, how much for decent seats at the theatre, £100? Most people agree that Goodwood offers the best historic racing in the world so in my opinion it’s worth the price.
Great the weekend, Members is always better that the Revival because it’s primarily a race meeting not a staged event/fashion show and there’s comparatively little crowding. We were served food and drinks in no time and got in and out of the car park easily. I enjoyed the racing, I agree about the time fillers though, the IWC thing was a complete waste of time. Obviously just allowed on track because they are a sponsor. I used the Cadillac laps as a chance to get a cup of tea however I had to sit through the GT3s because I wanted to see the last race, the Salvadori Cup and they were not that exciting. Somehow it seemed to lack the atmosphere that the motorbike/side-car shoot-out had last year, or the drift cars they had one year, they were fun!
As an aside, have the recovery trucks been hit by the heath & safety brigade? They seemed to piss around and take an eternity to shift the 3 wheeled GT40 at Woodcote on Saturday, and on Sunday they made an equally slow job of shifting the E-Type at Chicane? In previous years I’m sure they’d have simply hooked on the winch and dragged them onto a tilted flat. Now they buggered around with a crane for 25 mins and even then, apparently managed to damage the rear wings of the E-Type with the straps as they lifted it. Derek Mathewson would have had them loaded and away in 5 mins!
Great the weekend, Members is always better that the Revival because it’s primarily a race meeting not a staged event/fashion show and there’s comparatively little crowding. We were served food and drinks in no time and got in and out of the car park easily. I enjoyed the racing, I agree about the time fillers though, the IWC thing was a complete waste of time. Obviously just allowed on track because they are a sponsor. I used the Cadillac laps as a chance to get a cup of tea however I had to sit through the GT3s because I wanted to see the last race, the Salvadori Cup and they were not that exciting. Somehow it seemed to lack the atmosphere that the motorbike/side-car shoot-out had last year, or the drift cars they had one year, they were fun!
As an aside, have the recovery trucks been hit by the heath & safety brigade? They seemed to piss around and take an eternity to shift the 3 wheeled GT40 at Woodcote on Saturday, and on Sunday they made an equally slow job of shifting the E-Type at Chicane? In previous years I’m sure they’d have simply hooked on the winch and dragged them onto a tilted flat. Now they buggered around with a crane for 25 mins and even then, apparently managed to damage the rear wings of the E-Type with the straps as they lifted it. Derek Mathewson would have had them loaded and away in 5 mins!
Isn’t Padmore ex lap record holder and test driver for someone? Swifty is generally regarded as the fastest mini driver in the world and given the Law family are somewhat considered the heirs to TWR when it comes to prepping and peddling of v v quick Jags I think that argument is a touch on the thin side 
I think someone like Bill Shepherd could be a more reasonable argument. Bill flogged cars and only very recently has become a more serious racer.
I think someone like Bill Shepherd could be a more reasonable argument. Bill flogged cars and only very recently has become a more serious racer.
Loved it , and I don't worry about the cost . It's worth it simply because it's my favourite event of the year , at a fantastic circuit , and with a stellar cast of drivers in cars I don't see anywhere else . I enjoyed the Cadillac demo and while I don't know (or care ) how much faster it could have gone , the day I get blase about a car going at that pace through Fordwater is a very long way off I hope.
I'm less enamoured of the GMT50 demo - nice noise but GM's collection of lightweight road cars and racers was much more interesting. The Moretti and Abarths were enchanting , as was the Vallelunga .
Highlight was watching Frank Stippler's utterly sublime Dino 206S going through Madgwick noticeably faster than anything else and making that spine -tingling V6 howl . The first racing Ferrari I saw was Tony Dean's 206S at Oulton Park in 1968 and seeing one driven in anger after so many decades made me realise I had something in my eye ...
Some things could be better - fewer saloons and more single seaters (FF1600 , F2 and /or F5000 please ) . can the Bentleys(a personal thing but give me a Type 35 any day ) but keep the SF Edge monsters and , oh , another Can Am demo would be nice. Or , even better, Indy cars of the ages .
Over 600 miles driven, 12miles walked , a shedload spent - roll on next year
I'm less enamoured of the GMT50 demo - nice noise but GM's collection of lightweight road cars and racers was much more interesting. The Moretti and Abarths were enchanting , as was the Vallelunga .
Highlight was watching Frank Stippler's utterly sublime Dino 206S going through Madgwick noticeably faster than anything else and making that spine -tingling V6 howl . The first racing Ferrari I saw was Tony Dean's 206S at Oulton Park in 1968 and seeing one driven in anger after so many decades made me realise I had something in my eye ...
Some things could be better - fewer saloons and more single seaters (FF1600 , F2 and /or F5000 please ) . can the Bentleys(a personal thing but give me a Type 35 any day ) but keep the SF Edge monsters and , oh , another Can Am demo would be nice. Or , even better, Indy cars of the ages .
Over 600 miles driven, 12miles walked , a shedload spent - roll on next year
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