Discussion
coppice said:
Loved it , and I don't worry about the cost . It's worth it simply because it's my favourite event of the year , at a fantastic circuit , and with a stellar cast of drivers in cars I don't see anywhere else . I enjoyed the Cadillac demo and while I don't know (or care ) how much faster it could have gone , the day I get blase about a car going at that pace through Fordwater is a very long way off I hope.
I'm less enamoured of the GMT50 demo - nice noise but GM's collection of lightweight road cars and racers was much more interesting. The Moretti and Abarths were enchanting , as was the Vallelunga .
Highlight was watching Frank Stippler's utterly sublime Dino 206S going through Madgwick noticeably faster than anything else and making that spine -tingling V6 howl . The first racing Ferrari I saw was Tony Dean's 206S at Oulton Park in 1968 and seeing one driven in anger after so many decades made me realise I had something in my eye ...
Some things could be better - fewer saloons and more single seaters (FF1600 , F2 and /or F5000 please ) . can the Bentleys(a personal thing but give me a Type 35 any day ) but keep the SF Edge monsters and , oh , another Can Am demo would be nice. Or , even better, Indy cars of the ages .
Over 600 miles driven, 12miles walked , a shedload spent - roll on next year
Sounds like you had a great time!I'm less enamoured of the GMT50 demo - nice noise but GM's collection of lightweight road cars and racers was much more interesting. The Moretti and Abarths were enchanting , as was the Vallelunga .
Highlight was watching Frank Stippler's utterly sublime Dino 206S going through Madgwick noticeably faster than anything else and making that spine -tingling V6 howl . The first racing Ferrari I saw was Tony Dean's 206S at Oulton Park in 1968 and seeing one driven in anger after so many decades made me realise I had something in my eye ...
Some things could be better - fewer saloons and more single seaters (FF1600 , F2 and /or F5000 please ) . can the Bentleys(a personal thing but give me a Type 35 any day ) but keep the SF Edge monsters and , oh , another Can Am demo would be nice. Or , even better, Indy cars of the ages .
Over 600 miles driven, 12miles walked , a shedload spent - roll on next year
DeejRC said:
Isn’t Padmore ex lap record holder and test driver for someone? Swifty is generally regarded as the fastest mini driver in the world and given the Law family are somewhat considered the heirs to TWR when it comes to prepping and peddling of v v quick Jags I think that argument is a touch on the thin side 
I think someone like Bill Shepherd could be a more reasonable argument. Bill flogged cars and only very recently has become a more serious racer.
Totally agree. I think my use of "pro driver" was probably the wrong phrase to use. What I mean is that the fields nowadays are overwhelmingly filled with either pro drivers or very very handy drivers who are known and trusted by Goodwood. Law and Swift are great examples of drivers who have become part of the Goodwood furniture and have been for a long time. They're all well known on the historic racing scene. By "gentleman racer" I mean the type of older chap who was there purely by virtue of having pockets deep enough to own an eligible car irrespective of driving talent. They used to be commonplace especially at the MM and to a lesser extent the Revival but now seem to be few and far between now. Very few owner raced cars there. I believe that to be by design and quite understandable on Goodwood's part. I think someone like Bill Shepherd could be a more reasonable argument. Bill flogged cars and only very recently has become a more serious racer.
coates848 said:
DeejRC said:
Isn’t Padmore ex lap record holder and test driver for someone? Swifty is generally regarded as the fastest mini driver in the world and given the Law family are somewhat considered the heirs to TWR when it comes to prepping and peddling of v v quick Jags I think that argument is a touch on the thin side
I think someone like Bill Shepherd could be a more reasonable argument. Bill flogged cars and only very recently has become a more serious racer.
Totally agree. I think my use of "pro driver" was probably the wrong phrase to use. What I mean is that the fields nowadays are overwhelmingly filled with either pro drivers or very very handy drivers who are known and trusted by Goodwood. Law and Swift are great examples of drivers who have become part of the Goodwood furniture and have been for a long time. They're all well known on the historic racing scene. By "gentleman racer" I mean the type of older chap who was there purely by virtue of having pockets deep enough to own an eligible car irrespective of driving talent. They used to be commonplace especially at the MM and to a lesser extent the Revival but now seem to be few and far between now. Very few owner raced cars there. I believe that to be by design and quite understandable on Goodwood's part. I think someone like Bill Shepherd could be a more reasonable argument. Bill flogged cars and only very recently has become a more serious racer.
ChevronB19 said:
coates848 said:
The car landing in the pedestrian tunnel was actually at the 74th Members Meeting. I remember it as that was the first MM we attended and there were some big accidents that weekend including one late on the Sunday where one of the big sportscars went off at Woodcote and the driver was in a bad way.
We commented yesterday that the biggest change at the MM over the years has actually been the gradual phasing out of "gentleman drivers" where their skills may not quite match their machinery. Back then it was full of them. Look at the programme now and it's almost all pro drivers now, particularly in the faster stuff. The standard is far far higher than it was.
I’d challenge that. There is far more panel damage now than there used to be, especially in saloons. As for gentleman drivers, my dad finished 4th o/a in St Mary’s in about 2002, and he was a council technician and certainly wouldn’t refer to himself as a gentleman. Quite a few very fast people aren’t pros either, see Nick Swift, Nick Padmore, Justin Law, Grant Williams for example. Yes, they’re in the trade, but they aren’t pros.We commented yesterday that the biggest change at the MM over the years has actually been the gradual phasing out of "gentleman drivers" where their skills may not quite match their machinery. Back then it was full of them. Look at the programme now and it's almost all pro drivers now, particularly in the faster stuff. The standard is far far higher than it was.
Edited by coates848 on Monday 14th April 06:49
Edited by coates848 on Monday 14th April 06:50
Much better event than The Revival for an enthusiast in my opinion and I like to see the newer stuff competing on the circuit.
My daughter and I had a lovely encounter with Mike Whitaker.
Edited by honevo on Tuesday 15th April 00:15
I attend all 3 events & each has it’s own flavour.
Member’s meeting is brilliant and my favourite.
FoS I wander through what’s going on at the bottom of the hill but spend most of the day with the Rally Cars.
Revival is the event we attend as a family and with friends as there’s more for the non-car enthusiast to enjoy.
We are damn lucky to have all 3. Regarding the accidents & panel damage I’d be just as happy to see the cars run at 8/10ths rather than 10/10ths, and if a ‘no contact’ rule, whereby if you touch you are DQ’d, were introduced I don’t think it would hurt the spectacle at all, as much as I love close racing I see no joy in watching something beautiful be damaged.
Long may it continue.
Member’s meeting is brilliant and my favourite.
FoS I wander through what’s going on at the bottom of the hill but spend most of the day with the Rally Cars.
Revival is the event we attend as a family and with friends as there’s more for the non-car enthusiast to enjoy.
We are damn lucky to have all 3. Regarding the accidents & panel damage I’d be just as happy to see the cars run at 8/10ths rather than 10/10ths, and if a ‘no contact’ rule, whereby if you touch you are DQ’d, were introduced I don’t think it would hurt the spectacle at all, as much as I love close racing I see no joy in watching something beautiful be damaged.
Long may it continue.
Both Astons (1&2) have been disqualified from the race for technical infringements.
“Unfortunate news in the Moss Trophy saw the leading two drivers disqualified in the aftermath for a technical infringement. Dario Franchitti and Harrison Newey put on a stunning show at the front of the field for the entirety of the race, but ultimately it was the battle behind that would decide the winner.”
I understand both were overbored and ran wider track than in period.
“Unfortunate news in the Moss Trophy saw the leading two drivers disqualified in the aftermath for a technical infringement. Dario Franchitti and Harrison Newey put on a stunning show at the front of the field for the entirety of the race, but ultimately it was the battle behind that would decide the winner.”
I understand both were overbored and ran wider track than in period.
Simes205 said:
Both Astons (1&2) have been disqualified from the race for technical infringements.
“Unfortunate news in the Moss Trophy saw the leading two drivers disqualified in the aftermath for a technical infringement. Dario Franchitti and Harrison Newey put on a stunning show at the front of the field for the entirety of the race, but ultimately it was the battle behind that would decide the winner.”
I understand both were overbored and ran wider track than in period.
I must admit I am always surprised to see cars that weren’t dominant in period making short work of the competition.“Unfortunate news in the Moss Trophy saw the leading two drivers disqualified in the aftermath for a technical infringement. Dario Franchitti and Harrison Newey put on a stunning show at the front of the field for the entirety of the race, but ultimately it was the battle behind that would decide the winner.”
I understand both were overbored and ran wider track than in period.
The Duke will be disappointed…
https://www.pistonheads.com/gassing/topic.asp?h=0&...
Stick Legs said:
Simes205 said:
Both Astons (1&2) have been disqualified from the race for technical infringements.
“Unfortunate news in the Moss Trophy saw the leading two drivers disqualified in the aftermath for a technical infringement. Dario Franchitti and Harrison Newey put on a stunning show at the front of the field for the entirety of the race, but ultimately it was the battle behind that would decide the winner.”
I understand both were overbored and ran wider track than in period.
I must admit I am always surprised to see cars that weren’t dominant in period making short work of the competition.“Unfortunate news in the Moss Trophy saw the leading two drivers disqualified in the aftermath for a technical infringement. Dario Franchitti and Harrison Newey put on a stunning show at the front of the field for the entirety of the race, but ultimately it was the battle behind that would decide the winner.”
I understand both were overbored and ran wider track than in period.
The Duke will be disappointed…
https://www.pistonheads.com/gassing/topic.asp?h=0&...
Let’s see…..were both cars prepped by the same team?
I did try to find out..
Edited by Simes205 on Tuesday 15th April 12:27
I can see Newey getting himself banned.
Other F1 teams & sponsors would gladly fill the void if he was kicked out of competition & chose to use his leverage to stop his team providing cars to FoS etc.
The E-Type & now a DB4 GT.
What kind of saddo do you have to be to cheat at historic motorsport when your talent & abilities in the world of race car engineering are a matter of record?
I’d rather see him come last having just had a fun day out.
Other F1 teams & sponsors would gladly fill the void if he was kicked out of competition & chose to use his leverage to stop his team providing cars to FoS etc.
The E-Type & now a DB4 GT.
What kind of saddo do you have to be to cheat at historic motorsport when your talent & abilities in the world of race car engineering are a matter of record?
I’d rather see him come last having just had a fun day out.
DeejRC said:
Er the historics world isn’t exactly unknown for sharp practice!!! It’s a little bit infamous for it!
Well all motorsport is, and classics are under less scrutiny. But if the only time you would ever win anything prestigious is at Goodwood then maybe I could understand the attraction to cheating. But when you have multiple constructors titles to your name cheating to beat the small time classic Equipes seems like a seriously advanced case of tiny man syndrome. There have been countless examples of things like rose joints, and slippy diffs, on cars that never had them, in period, raced at Revival and MM. Charlie Boo Boo, did put his proverbial foot down a while back, to try and stem the tide a bit. Whether ( or not ) everyone was singing from his hymn sheet, is another matter.
The Ferrari was driven superbly . In period it would have been slower than most GT 40s perhaps but, honestly, who cares ? It's not a re-enactment ., but an evocation of the past, there's no championship to lose and so what if an Austin A 40 now can outrun a Cortina GT ?
I rarely care very much about who wins , for me it's all about enjoying the spectacle of a car being driven on the limit .
I rarely care very much about who wins , for me it's all about enjoying the spectacle of a car being driven on the limit .
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