Kingdom Vendetta

[Hugo Stiglitz]

Has anyone owned or currently own one?

I'm hesitant in part due to the naked welds and lack of reviews etc.

[missing the VR6]

I get it's Ti, but is it really worth spending that kind of money on just a frame for a hard tail? I have a custom built hard tail that was over £2k, but they always strike me as a cheaper option. Surely a £1425 frame is going to be nearly £4k built up with appropriate bits (36 Factory/Lyric Ultimate, min XT group set, Hope wheels etc)
In all honesty, if your answer is I can afford it so why not, I totally respect it and get it.

[Hugo Stiglitz]

I really enjoyed my Genesis Tarn hardtail and regret selling it. I'd buy the ti version but they stopped selling it in ti.

I'd be building it up as a frame swap from a Santa Cruz 5010

[missing the VR6]

Hugo Stiglitz said:

I really enjoyed my Genesis Tarn hardtail and regret selling it. I'd buy the ti version but they stopped selling it in ti.

I'd be building it up as a frame swap from a Santa Cruz 5010

Hard tails are mega, taking mine to Bike Park Wales on Thursday and just back from 3 days trail riding in Wales with it!

What are the benefits of a Ti frame, genuinely interested as my bikes got a great component spec and a swap like you're doing would definitely be viable for me. Sorry for taking this off topic.

[d8mok]

I've owned a Vendetta for around 2 years now. Its basically my winter mtb but I do use it during summer riding if i m riding longer/less aggressive trails.

Its a very capable bike and cleans up nicely with some scotchpads after a hard winters riding.


Mine is a X01/GX build, 160mm Pikes, M1700 wheels and rides lighter than it actually is.


I guess it comes down to whether you feel if the extra expense is justified for Ti. I own 3 (4 actually as one is going Thurs) Ti bikes and love how it rides but also how easily they are to care for.

[Jacobyte]

I was very close to getting a Vendetta, as Ti can give a superb ride plus is so easy to keep clean, with no corrosion.

Ultimately I went down the XC geo direction instead (Mosaic), but for a downhilly hardtail the Vendetta is right up there.

[Hugo Stiglitz]

d8mok said:

I've owned a Vendetta for around 2 years now. Its basically my winter mtb but I do use it during summer riding if i m riding longer/less aggressive trails.

Its a very capable bike and cleans up nicely with some scotchpads after a hard winters riding.


Mine is a X01/GX build, 160mm Pikes, M1700 wheels and rides lighter than it actually is.


I guess it comes down to whether you feel if the extra expense is justified for Ti. I own 3 (4 actually as one is going Thurs) Ti bikes and love how it rides but also how easily they are to care for.

How does it ride??

[Tall_Paul]

Ti is awesome, as above they're weather proof, damage proof (to a certain degree) and the ride is what I'd describe as 'warm' - not harsh at all, and the right lightweight frame can be quite springy.

Mine is a hardcore HT Ti frame, only with 12 gears dangling off the bottom I love it, it's 15.2kg all in, a steel frame would have been over 16kg easily and an alloy frame just far too harsh.

[take-good-care-of-the-forest-dewey]

I honestly wouldn't swap it for a full sus... I think you'd regret swapping FS to hardtail as the 5010 is a cracking do anything bike.

If you ride techy, steep fast stuff an HT is a +1 not a replacement. For fire roads and blues / reds an HT is a viable swap... IMO obs.

Gratuitous pic of my Pole... Which will do anything my G1 and Kenevo will, and almost as fast but you're battered at the bottom. If you're going HT.... Long and slack is the way to go.

[d8mok]

Hugo Stiglitz said:

d8mok said:

I've owned a Vendetta for around 2 years now. Its basically my winter mtb but I do use it during summer riding if i m riding longer/less aggressive trails.

Its a very capable bike and cleans up nicely with some scotchpads after a hard winters riding.


Mine is a X01/GX build, 160mm Pikes, M1700 wheels and rides lighter than it actually is.


I guess it comes down to whether you feel if the extra expense is justified for Ti. I own 3 (4 actually as one is going Thurs) Ti bikes and love how it rides but also how easily they are to care for.

How does it ride??

It’s good on trails , and can ride anything a FS does. Just slower. Not so good on paths/road. Like I said it’s mainly a winter trail bike for me so I don’t ruin the main bike with mud/salt.

It’s not as harsh as a alloy frame , and lighter than steel so best of all worlds really.

[Hugo Stiglitz]

So I asked a few questions on Facebook- no response. Same to their email. No response.

I am alittle worried to pay soo much for a bike frame if the response is like this.

Pick up a phone? No. If I've used two methods of communication and got nil back in today's age I'm not doing more leg work.

Think I'll go Titan or XACD.

[take-good-care-of-the-forest-dewey]

Hugo Stiglitz said:

So I asked a few questions on Facebook- no response. Same to their email. No response.

I am alittle worried to pay soo much for a bike frame if the response is like this.

Pick up a phone? No. If I've used two methods of communication and got nil back in today's age I'm not doing more leg work.

Think I'll go Titan or XACD.

What about sturdy... Complete works of art.

[Captain Raymond Holt]

Tall_Paul said:

Ti is awesome, as above they're weather proof, damage proof (to a certain degree) and the ride is what I'd describe as 'warm' - not harsh at all, and the right lightweight frame can be quite springy.

Mine is a hardcore HT Ti frame, only with 12 gears dangling off the bottom I love it, it's 15.2kg all in, a steel frame would have been over 16kg easily and an alloy frame just far too harsh.

Nothing to add other than that is achingly pretty.

[ar-em-en]

Hugo Stiglitz said:

So I asked a few questions on Facebook- no response. Same to their email. No response.

I am alittle worried to pay soo much for a bike frame if the response is like this.

Pick up a phone? No. If I've used two methods of communication and got nil back in today's age I'm not doing more leg work.

Think I'll go Titan or XACD.

Tf tuned have the frames in stock, so if you were dead set they would have a good chat with you.

I've got a stanton switchback ti frame which is lovely, the customer service is fantastic too.

[d8mok]

What questions do you have?

[Hugo Stiglitz]

Any close up shots of welds?

[d8mok]

I can take some when i get chance no issue.

For the money they are good quality . Yes not quite as well finished as say a Enigma or Moots but not something you would ever complain about.

Kingdom are quite a small outfit so takes time for them to respond Ive found.

[Hugo Stiglitz]

Ah. That explains why possibly.

I was looking at someone's Planet X tempest ti framed bike outside a chippy this weekend and the welds weren't smooth or neat. I can't imagine the Vendetta being as bad as that.

[d8mok]

I'd say its a little better than a Tempest but not a million miles away. Both will be far east welded in bulk and the seller sticks their name on it.

[d8mok]