Hardcore Hardtail (Frame Only)
Discussion
missing the VR6 said:
I'm not sure how you define hardcore
A good question, and perhaps it’s somewhat subjective. I want something I can basically hammer hard in the drier summer months - relatively long wheelbase and holding it’s own on the more downhill trails.missing the VR6 said:
I'd also suggest the Orange Crush is the bike in Oranges range for you.
Would very much agree, but my riding buddy has one (which is what kicked off this whole adventure as it’s so bloody fast!) and don’t want to turn up on the same bike as him. Brilliant bike, even if some of the components not 100% my taste.BaronVonVaderham said:
But if you already have a 27.5 Orange, then why would you want to replace it with one with extra heavy clown wheels?
27.5 is more fun to ride, and imho looks far better.
Contentious! Ultimately I prefer 29”, I think they roll better and I can thrash them harder. I’m also pretty lanky which helps.27.5 is more fun to ride, and imho looks far better.
Anyway, thanks all for the suggestions. Am away riding motorbikes this week but when I’m back will put more effort into selling some old kit and researching new stuff
Mr Scruff said:
Contentious! Ultimately I prefer 29”, I think they roll better and I can thrash them harder. I’m also pretty lanky which helps.
Anyway, thanks all for the suggestions. Am away riding motorbikes this week but when I’m back will put more effort into selling some old kit and researching new stuff
I had a Crush Pro 27.5 (I didnt recommend it purely due to it just looking biased recommending what you have/had) it was an incredible bike, there's probably a reason why your mate has one! Anyway, thanks all for the suggestions. Am away riding motorbikes this week but when I’m back will put more effort into selling some old kit and researching new stuff
I join the view of the other poster that 27.5 is more fun even in XL (I'm 6'4") and 100% looks better however that's all personal preference - I would however be tempted with a crush MX if I were to buy another.
My old one, I miss it!
GCH said:
missing the VR6 said:
I'm not sure how you define hardcore, but I wouldn't class the Yeti as "hardcore" it's got a 67 degree head angle. If I wanted a trail hard tail I'd absolutely love one though.
I know it's the wrong wheel size but my Ragley Mmmbop has a sub 64 degree head angle and a 150mm fork. To me, that seems the region for a hardcore hardtail.
I do agree.... the yeti is hardcore for dentists perhaps I know it's the wrong wheel size but my Ragley Mmmbop has a sub 64 degree head angle and a 150mm fork. To me, that seems the region for a hardcore hardtail.
The mmmbop is 63.75 on a standard 150mm fork, but as you say thats on a 27.5 wheel.
The 29 wheeled big al and big wig (identical geo but in steel) are 65 degrees on 140 which is superb as standard. Increase that to 150 and its 64.5, 160 and it is 64...mullet it or angle space it and it can go even further.
Moxie is in the same range. The el roy is 63 degrees as standard.
65 is the hardcore cut off.
I'll throw in a Bird Forge, lovely in stainless.
It's probably quite slack not that headangle defines hardcore.
I've a liking of steel hardtails, despite having a nice full suss enduro bike, I've mostly been racing my Onza Jackpot lately. It's not long or slack but it's burly and not slow.
I snapped 3 frames in 18 months back in 2001, bought a cove stiffee and rode it for 15 years most weeks.
I have had an on one hello Dave for the last 3 years and its superb. It's better up nasty tricky stuff than any other bike I've had. It's ( unsurprisingly) great down tricky slippy descents. The biggest surprise it that is actually fine on flat stuff as well. I've had a few out and out xc bikes and it's not quite that nimble, but for my riding it's actually nice. I've done the odd 50 mile day on it in the peaks and while it was harder work than a full suss it was splendid.
I don't change bikes that often, so I can't comment on the rest of your short list. The hello Dave is great, the rest probably are as well. If I had any of those, I'd probably have the same story to tell🙂
http://ep1.pinkbike.org/p3pb20227215/p3pb20227215....
I have had an on one hello Dave for the last 3 years and its superb. It's better up nasty tricky stuff than any other bike I've had. It's ( unsurprisingly) great down tricky slippy descents. The biggest surprise it that is actually fine on flat stuff as well. I've had a few out and out xc bikes and it's not quite that nimble, but for my riding it's actually nice. I've done the odd 50 mile day on it in the peaks and while it was harder work than a full suss it was splendid.
I don't change bikes that often, so I can't comment on the rest of your short list. The hello Dave is great, the rest probably are as well. If I had any of those, I'd probably have the same story to tell🙂
http://ep1.pinkbike.org/p3pb20227215/p3pb20227215....
Hardcore hard tail is alway a fun thing to define, I have a 64 degree - size large (475 reach) marino frame. Considering i’m only 5.9” this is quite large but i’m actually going to get a kona honzo esd which will be lack and longer. You do really have to change your riding style to make the most of them which isn’t always the easiest thing to do
I love my Scout 290 - Bought as a frame only, as I crashed my On One Big Dog into a tree, and bent the downtube behind the strenthening plate.
Oddly, the wheel and forks were fine, so all the bits went onto the Nuke frame.
The Big Dog is now a lamp holder on my garage wall :-)
It's definetely the best HT i've had, it's good at everything. XC to BPW, and i'm giving it a go at the next round of the Welsh Enduro series.
Oddly, the wheel and forks were fine, so all the bits went onto the Nuke frame.
The Big Dog is now a lamp holder on my garage wall :-)
It's definetely the best HT i've had, it's good at everything. XC to BPW, and i'm giving it a go at the next round of the Welsh Enduro series.
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