Tyre warming banned for 2018 by MSA

Tyre warming banned for 2018 by MSA

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geeks

9,178 posts

139 months

Tuesday 15th August 2017
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You know the publish the reason as well as the change right?

Reason: Environmental. In addition
there is a perception that the heating
of tyres, by mechanical methods, is
prohibited yet a regulation to this
effect could not be found.

Also worth noting that the MSA have a habit of about facing on somethings some of the time, see steel tow cabled to replace fabric straps.

garybezz

222 posts

203 months

Tuesday 15th August 2017
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Surely drag racing is impossible without burnouts.
Can you really 'turn down' a fueler enough not to need to heat / clean the tyres and leave the rubber down to launch from?? And if you can, would it be worth watching?
Same applies to all the top end drag classes and the more mental sprint and hillclimbers.
Is it not unsafe to do any of this without tyre warming?

DragTruck

8 posts

109 months

Wednesday 16th August 2017
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The second part of the reason is gibberish. We created this rule because an unspecified person thought it already existed.

How can an organisation that calls itself a governing body write such nonsense?

stevebroad

Original Poster:

442 posts

236 months

Wednesday 16th August 2017
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DragTruck said:
The second part of the reason is gibberish. We created this rule because an unspecified person thought it already existed.

How can an organisation that calls itself a governing body write such nonsense?
Lots of practice, I guess :-)

Flying Phil

1,585 posts

145 months

Wednesday 16th August 2017
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If Drag racing slicks are imported from the USA, presumably they are designed for burnouts before runs and so, not to burnout would be outside the design parameters therefore less safe?
I don't think there would be a large enough market for UK only slicks?

clubracing

329 posts

206 months

Wednesday 16th August 2017
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I think several people are getting the wrong end of the stick with this regulation change.

The new regulation 9.3.1.1, is an addendum to the existing rule 9.3.1, which states:

"9.3.1. The spinning of wheels (tyre warming) will only be permitted in a designated area and which should be clearly defined."

The MSA has made the distinction between 'tyre warming' (burnouts) and 'tyre heating'. The explanation says "the heating of tyres by mechanical methods" i.e by a machine other than the vehicle.

pc.iow

1,879 posts

203 months

Wednesday 16th August 2017
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Burnouts must be ok surely, What about a bit of accidental wheel spin. Blacked flagged if you do?

stevebroad

Original Poster:

442 posts

236 months

Wednesday 16th August 2017
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clubracing said:
I think several people are getting the wrong end of the stick with this regulation change.

The new regulation 9.3.1.1, is an addendum to the existing rule 9.3.1, which states:

"9.3.1. The spinning of wheels (tyre warming) will only be permitted in a designated area and which should be clearly defined."

The MSA has made the distinction between 'tyre warming' (burnouts) and 'tyre heating'. The explanation says "the heating of tyres by mechanical methods" i.e by a machine other than the vehicle.
If this is correct then there is no issue. I, hopefully, will find out tomorrow and let everyone know.

eliot

11,423 posts

254 months

Wednesday 16th August 2017
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clubracing said:
I think several people are getting the wrong end of the stick with this regulation change.

The new regulation 9.3.1.1, is an addendum to the existing rule 9.3.1, which states:

"9.3.1. The spinning of wheels (tyre warming) will only be permitted in a designated area and which should be clearly defined."

The MSA has made the distinction between 'tyre warming' (burnouts) and 'tyre heating'. The explanation says "the heating of tyres by mechanical methods" i.e by a machine other than the vehicle.
Cool , as you were lads - panic over.

LWG95

61 posts

96 months

Wednesday 16th August 2017
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OK, lets focus on environmental pressures.... what about the thousands of polluting lorries, or logistic contractors vehicles as they are now known, buses, cabs, aircraft, wood burners, bonfires, road tarmac 'dressing', etc, etc etc......
The 'legislators' know the cost of everything and the value of nothing... bit like Local Government, once described to me as 'the last refuge of the inept and unemployable'
And some people just accept the dictates on the basis that 'rules are rules'.. bah humbug !

Flying Phil

1,585 posts

145 months

Wednesday 16th August 2017
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clubracing said:
I think several people are getting the wrong end of the stick with this regulation change.

The new regulation 9.3.1.1, is an addendum to the existing rule 9.3.1, which states:

"9.3.1. The spinning of wheels (tyre warming) will only be permitted in a designated area and which should be clearly defined."

The MSA has made the distinction between 'tyre warming' (burnouts) and 'tyre heating'. The explanation says "the heating of tyres by mechanical methods" i.e by a machine other than the vehicle.
Well that is a relief.....

anonymous-user

54 months

Wednesday 16th August 2017
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Better extinguish the sun then.

Another badly written regulation.

NitroWars

661 posts

211 months

Wednesday 16th August 2017
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jsf said:
Better extinguish the sun then.

Another badly written regulation.
The sun is not a mechanical device. An argument could be raised that a burnout is to clean the slicks prior to a run, getting rid of the detritus picked up after a run when the slicks are warm/hot and sticky... like small stones and fag ends. The throwing up of stones was the reason the barn was shut, if the burnout is stopped then will we see the reopening of the barn? Don't bet on it...

Edit: I note that the wording of rule 9.3.1.1 is different to that quoted by the OP which gives an implementation date. It would appear that the OP has quoted an amendment to the rule. Whilst the wording does seem to rule out burnouts I can't see it happening.

Edited by NitroWars on Wednesday 16th August 21:03

anonymous-user

54 months

Wednesday 16th August 2017
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NitroWars said:
jsf said:
Better extinguish the sun then.

Another badly written regulation.
The sun is not a mechanical device.
The rule does not mention mechanical devices. Mechanical devices are mentioned in the note relating to why the change is made, that is not part of the rule itself.

The wording of the rule states "The heating of tyres, by any method, or their treatment by any chemical substance is prohibited. For the avoidance of doubt, no manner of abnormally raising the temperature of the tyres/wheels above the natural ambient temperature is allowed."

That means you can not use sunlight to heat the tyre.

The rules that I work to in the FIA championships I run cars in, specifically mention sunlight.

They state the following "Any form of static tyre warming, heat retention or cooling is prohibited with the exception of direct sunlight and the ambient weather conditions."

stevebroad

Original Poster:

442 posts

236 months

Thursday 17th August 2017
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clubracing said:
I think several people are getting the wrong end of the stick with this regulation change.

The new regulation 9.3.1.1, is an addendum to the existing rule 9.3.1, which states:

"9.3.1. The spinning of wheels (tyre warming) will only be permitted in a designated area and which should be clearly defined."

The MSA has made the distinction between 'tyre warming' (burnouts) and 'tyre heating'. The explanation says "the heating of tyres by mechanical methods" i.e by a machine other than the vehicle.
If this is correct then there is no issue. I, hopefully, will find out tomorrow and let everyone know.

amancalledrob

1,248 posts

134 months

Thursday 17th August 2017
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stevebroad said:
clubracing said:
I think several people are getting the wrong end of the stick with this regulation change.

The new regulation 9.3.1.1, is an addendum to the existing rule 9.3.1, which states:

"9.3.1. The spinning of wheels (tyre warming) will only be permitted in a designated area and which should be clearly defined."

The MSA has made the distinction between 'tyre warming' (burnouts) and 'tyre heating'. The explanation says "the heating of tyres by mechanical methods" i.e by a machine other than the vehicle.
If this is correct then there is no issue. I, hopefully, will find out tomorrow and let everyone know.
Interesting one. What's 'abnormal'? It's normal for there to be a burnout, and it's normal for that to make the tyres hot. I'm not a drag racing aficionado but if abnormal means are prohibited, then IMO a definition of 'abnormal' must surely be given

Turn7

23,607 posts

221 months

Friday 18th August 2017
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According to facebook....

"with the exception of drag racing".....

But not seen full proof yet.

stevebroad

Original Poster:

442 posts

236 months

Tuesday 22nd August 2017
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Just spoken to MSA. There will be clarification posted shortly on their website that confirms that the new rules do not ban burnouts.

stevebroad

Original Poster:

442 posts

236 months

Saturday 26th August 2017
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25
Aug

The MSA has issued a clarification of the recently published regulation change regarding the heating of tyres in Sprints, Hill Climbs and Drag Racing. This clarification, shown as red additions and struck through deletions, is as follows:

(S)9.3.1.1. With the exception of Drag Racing, tThe heating of tyres, by any method other than 9.3.1. above, or their treatment by any chemical substance is prohibited. For the avoidance of doubt, no manner of abnormally raising the temperature of the tyres/wheels above the natural ambient temperature is allowed.

Date of implementation: 1 January 2018.

Reason: Having been approved by MSC in June and subsequently publicised it became apparent that the above clarification is necessary.

This communication is for general release and is authorised to hold regulatory value.

randlemarcus

13,521 posts

231 months

Saturday 26th August 2017
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stevebroad said:
Just spoken to MSA. There will be clarification posted shortly on their website that confirms that the new rules do not ban burnouts.
Perhaps someone could pay for an English GCSE for whoever writes the rules and the clarification then...

So, do whatever you fancy in Drag Racing, and the tyres of hill climb cars must not be raised above ambient? Sparkling clarity there, gents.