Tyre warming banned for 2018 by MSA
Discussion
You know the publish the reason as well as the change right?
Reason: Environmental. In addition
there is a perception that the heating
of tyres, by mechanical methods, is
prohibited yet a regulation to this
effect could not be found.
Also worth noting that the MSA have a habit of about facing on somethings some of the time, see steel tow cabled to replace fabric straps.
Reason: Environmental. In addition
there is a perception that the heating
of tyres, by mechanical methods, is
prohibited yet a regulation to this
effect could not be found.
Also worth noting that the MSA have a habit of about facing on somethings some of the time, see steel tow cabled to replace fabric straps.
Surely drag racing is impossible without burnouts.
Can you really 'turn down' a fueler enough not to need to heat / clean the tyres and leave the rubber down to launch from?? And if you can, would it be worth watching?
Same applies to all the top end drag classes and the more mental sprint and hillclimbers.
Is it not unsafe to do any of this without tyre warming?
Can you really 'turn down' a fueler enough not to need to heat / clean the tyres and leave the rubber down to launch from?? And if you can, would it be worth watching?
Same applies to all the top end drag classes and the more mental sprint and hillclimbers.
Is it not unsafe to do any of this without tyre warming?
I think several people are getting the wrong end of the stick with this regulation change.
The new regulation 9.3.1.1, is an addendum to the existing rule 9.3.1, which states:
"9.3.1. The spinning of wheels (tyre warming) will only be permitted in a designated area and which should be clearly defined."
The MSA has made the distinction between 'tyre warming' (burnouts) and 'tyre heating'. The explanation says "the heating of tyres by mechanical methods" i.e by a machine other than the vehicle.
The new regulation 9.3.1.1, is an addendum to the existing rule 9.3.1, which states:
"9.3.1. The spinning of wheels (tyre warming) will only be permitted in a designated area and which should be clearly defined."
The MSA has made the distinction between 'tyre warming' (burnouts) and 'tyre heating'. The explanation says "the heating of tyres by mechanical methods" i.e by a machine other than the vehicle.
clubracing said:
I think several people are getting the wrong end of the stick with this regulation change.
The new regulation 9.3.1.1, is an addendum to the existing rule 9.3.1, which states:
"9.3.1. The spinning of wheels (tyre warming) will only be permitted in a designated area and which should be clearly defined."
The MSA has made the distinction between 'tyre warming' (burnouts) and 'tyre heating'. The explanation says "the heating of tyres by mechanical methods" i.e by a machine other than the vehicle.
If this is correct then there is no issue. I, hopefully, will find out tomorrow and let everyone know.The new regulation 9.3.1.1, is an addendum to the existing rule 9.3.1, which states:
"9.3.1. The spinning of wheels (tyre warming) will only be permitted in a designated area and which should be clearly defined."
The MSA has made the distinction between 'tyre warming' (burnouts) and 'tyre heating'. The explanation says "the heating of tyres by mechanical methods" i.e by a machine other than the vehicle.
clubracing said:
I think several people are getting the wrong end of the stick with this regulation change.
The new regulation 9.3.1.1, is an addendum to the existing rule 9.3.1, which states:
"9.3.1. The spinning of wheels (tyre warming) will only be permitted in a designated area and which should be clearly defined."
The MSA has made the distinction between 'tyre warming' (burnouts) and 'tyre heating'. The explanation says "the heating of tyres by mechanical methods" i.e by a machine other than the vehicle.
Cool , as you were lads - panic over.The new regulation 9.3.1.1, is an addendum to the existing rule 9.3.1, which states:
"9.3.1. The spinning of wheels (tyre warming) will only be permitted in a designated area and which should be clearly defined."
The MSA has made the distinction between 'tyre warming' (burnouts) and 'tyre heating'. The explanation says "the heating of tyres by mechanical methods" i.e by a machine other than the vehicle.
OK, lets focus on environmental pressures.... what about the thousands of polluting lorries, or logistic contractors vehicles as they are now known, buses, cabs, aircraft, wood burners, bonfires, road tarmac 'dressing', etc, etc etc......
The 'legislators' know the cost of everything and the value of nothing... bit like Local Government, once described to me as 'the last refuge of the inept and unemployable'
And some people just accept the dictates on the basis that 'rules are rules'.. bah humbug !
The 'legislators' know the cost of everything and the value of nothing... bit like Local Government, once described to me as 'the last refuge of the inept and unemployable'
And some people just accept the dictates on the basis that 'rules are rules'.. bah humbug !
clubracing said:
I think several people are getting the wrong end of the stick with this regulation change.
The new regulation 9.3.1.1, is an addendum to the existing rule 9.3.1, which states:
"9.3.1. The spinning of wheels (tyre warming) will only be permitted in a designated area and which should be clearly defined."
The MSA has made the distinction between 'tyre warming' (burnouts) and 'tyre heating'. The explanation says "the heating of tyres by mechanical methods" i.e by a machine other than the vehicle.
Well that is a relief.....The new regulation 9.3.1.1, is an addendum to the existing rule 9.3.1, which states:
"9.3.1. The spinning of wheels (tyre warming) will only be permitted in a designated area and which should be clearly defined."
The MSA has made the distinction between 'tyre warming' (burnouts) and 'tyre heating'. The explanation says "the heating of tyres by mechanical methods" i.e by a machine other than the vehicle.
jsf said:
Better extinguish the sun then.
Another badly written regulation.
The sun is not a mechanical device. An argument could be raised that a burnout is to clean the slicks prior to a run, getting rid of the detritus picked up after a run when the slicks are warm/hot and sticky... like small stones and fag ends. The throwing up of stones was the reason the barn was shut, if the burnout is stopped then will we see the reopening of the barn? Don't bet on it...Another badly written regulation.
Edit: I note that the wording of rule 9.3.1.1 is different to that quoted by the OP which gives an implementation date. It would appear that the OP has quoted an amendment to the rule. Whilst the wording does seem to rule out burnouts I can't see it happening.
Edited by NitroWars on Wednesday 16th August 21:03
NitroWars said:
jsf said:
Better extinguish the sun then.
Another badly written regulation.
The sun is not a mechanical device. Another badly written regulation.
The wording of the rule states "The heating of tyres, by any method, or their treatment by any chemical substance is prohibited. For the avoidance of doubt, no manner of abnormally raising the temperature of the tyres/wheels above the natural ambient temperature is allowed."
That means you can not use sunlight to heat the tyre.
The rules that I work to in the FIA championships I run cars in, specifically mention sunlight.
They state the following "Any form of static tyre warming, heat retention or cooling is prohibited with the exception of direct sunlight and the ambient weather conditions."
clubracing said:
I think several people are getting the wrong end of the stick with this regulation change.
The new regulation 9.3.1.1, is an addendum to the existing rule 9.3.1, which states:
"9.3.1. The spinning of wheels (tyre warming) will only be permitted in a designated area and which should be clearly defined."
The MSA has made the distinction between 'tyre warming' (burnouts) and 'tyre heating'. The explanation says "the heating of tyres by mechanical methods" i.e by a machine other than the vehicle.
If this is correct then there is no issue. I, hopefully, will find out tomorrow and let everyone know.The new regulation 9.3.1.1, is an addendum to the existing rule 9.3.1, which states:
"9.3.1. The spinning of wheels (tyre warming) will only be permitted in a designated area and which should be clearly defined."
The MSA has made the distinction between 'tyre warming' (burnouts) and 'tyre heating'. The explanation says "the heating of tyres by mechanical methods" i.e by a machine other than the vehicle.
stevebroad said:
clubracing said:
I think several people are getting the wrong end of the stick with this regulation change.
The new regulation 9.3.1.1, is an addendum to the existing rule 9.3.1, which states:
"9.3.1. The spinning of wheels (tyre warming) will only be permitted in a designated area and which should be clearly defined."
The MSA has made the distinction between 'tyre warming' (burnouts) and 'tyre heating'. The explanation says "the heating of tyres by mechanical methods" i.e by a machine other than the vehicle.
If this is correct then there is no issue. I, hopefully, will find out tomorrow and let everyone know.The new regulation 9.3.1.1, is an addendum to the existing rule 9.3.1, which states:
"9.3.1. The spinning of wheels (tyre warming) will only be permitted in a designated area and which should be clearly defined."
The MSA has made the distinction between 'tyre warming' (burnouts) and 'tyre heating'. The explanation says "the heating of tyres by mechanical methods" i.e by a machine other than the vehicle.
25
Aug
The MSA has issued a clarification of the recently published regulation change regarding the heating of tyres in Sprints, Hill Climbs and Drag Racing. This clarification, shown as red additions and struck through deletions, is as follows:
(S)9.3.1.1. With the exception of Drag Racing, tThe heating of tyres, by any method other than 9.3.1. above, or their treatment by any chemical substance is prohibited. For the avoidance of doubt, no manner of abnormally raising the temperature of the tyres/wheels above the natural ambient temperature is allowed.
Date of implementation: 1 January 2018.
Reason: Having been approved by MSC in June and subsequently publicised it became apparent that the above clarification is necessary.
This communication is for general release and is authorised to hold regulatory value.
stevebroad said:
Just spoken to MSA. There will be clarification posted shortly on their website that confirms that the new rules do not ban burnouts.
Perhaps someone could pay for an English GCSE for whoever writes the rules and the clarification then...So, do whatever you fancy in Drag Racing, and the tyres of hill climb cars must not be raised above ambient? Sparkling clarity there, gents.
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