Honda 2.2 Diesel Engines
Discussion
Fatman2 said:
I've owned a Civic and Accord and whilst it's more hushed in the Accord is still great in the Civic. It's quiet, refined, revs freely, has a great gearbox and doesn't suffer the ridiculous surge of torque that characterises so many engines today. I find it's the most petrol like diesel I've driven and that's great, given I hate diesel.
I would agree that it does drive nicely - it's more flexible than most diesels, you could pretty well drive it everywhere in 3rd if you felt so minded. It revs a bit further than others too.Very little mention of the timing chain issues bit surprised be that?
I'm currently in the guts of one of them at the moment the chain driving the oil pump broke wiping out guides, studs ,tensioners etc in bottom half of engine, the lack of oil pressure resulted in 1 main journal and 2 big end journals picking up there bearings, I'm a mega Honda fan but would nt touch a 2.2 diesel the 1.7 Isuzu much more reliable
I'm currently in the guts of one of them at the moment the chain driving the oil pump broke wiping out guides, studs ,tensioners etc in bottom half of engine, the lack of oil pressure resulted in 1 main journal and 2 big end journals picking up there bearings, I'm a mega Honda fan but would nt touch a 2.2 diesel the 1.7 Isuzu much more reliable
Fatman2 said:
You're joking.
This has been one of the best engines to be built in a long, long time. Ok so the 'hate something, change something' ad was a bit cheesy but back in 2004/5 this engine changed the way most manufacturers went about producing theirs as Honda made them all sound like stone age technology in one fell swoop. And this was their first attempt at a smoker.
Not at all.This has been one of the best engines to be built in a long, long time. Ok so the 'hate something, change something' ad was a bit cheesy but back in 2004/5 this engine changed the way most manufacturers went about producing theirs as Honda made them all sound like stone age technology in one fell swoop. And this was their first attempt at a smoker.
I am sure it was a groundbreaking engine but it is the reliability that I am referring too.
When looking at FR-V's the ones that came up with bad reviews for reliability were the diesels.
The petrol engines were issue free (like all 5 Hondas I've owned including a 185k mile Prelude)
There is a chap in this forum that posted about allot of problems with his diesel civic.
What I'm saying is that it is not always a given that a Honda is going to be 'bullet proof' in all instances. This engine is the one that shows up wit problems and compared with the other offerings from Honda that are vey reliable it probably sticks out more and gets blown out of proportion.
In the interests if balance it is worth pointing that out because not all Hondas are as good as some (i have a cvt Jazz and although the Jazz gets top marks on JD powers the cvt box can give expensive problems but people seem to view Honda with very rose tinted glasses and can forget to do their home work before buying used).
Don't get me wrong, I love my Hondas and have one bow and will probably get another soon and they have been the most reliable I have owned but some models can have issues so just do your homework.
No engine "bulletproof" but on the whole I'd say they are a lot better than many common rail diesels of a similar era.
Yes, they have some common faults which some people experience but name one similar engine the same doesn't apply to. It's all relative. I'd certainly rate it much better than, for example, VAG's 2.0 litre diesel from the same era.
Yes, they have some common faults which some people experience but name one similar engine the same doesn't apply to. It's all relative. I'd certainly rate it much better than, for example, VAG's 2.0 litre diesel from the same era.
The 2.2 CTDi engine feels amzingly quick in the Civic and returns good MPG.
I would go out and buy one if it were my hard earned money and needed a diesel. The CR-V with the latest i-DTEC with an auto box was an amazing drive and I really enjoyed driving that when I worked with Honda.
Reliability wise I didn't have any issues with comebacks over the 3 year I was with Honda. Very reliable, like anything as long as you service and maintain it properly.
I would go out and buy one if it were my hard earned money and needed a diesel. The CR-V with the latest i-DTEC with an auto box was an amazing drive and I really enjoyed driving that when I worked with Honda.
Reliability wise I didn't have any issues with comebacks over the 3 year I was with Honda. Very reliable, like anything as long as you service and maintain it properly.
Had my 2007 Civic 2.2 for 9 months. Gets between 45 and 50 mpg on a tank from a mixed 30 mile a day commute.
Needed a clutch and DMF at 48k, thankfully under warranty from supplying garage.
Faultless otherwise, though the gearbox really doesn't feel well engineered. Its like its made of plastic components.
Mine is the Type S, so has stiffer suspension. It also has 18" wheels and despite this, it doesnt feel particularly harsh to me.
Needed a clutch and DMF at 48k, thankfully under warranty from supplying garage.
Faultless otherwise, though the gearbox really doesn't feel well engineered. Its like its made of plastic components.
Mine is the Type S, so has stiffer suspension. It also has 18" wheels and despite this, it doesnt feel particularly harsh to me.
I have an accord cdti estate, 05 plate, about to hit 180k clutches seem to be either made of cheese or very strong, mines still on its original clutch but had been slipping for 50k if I really boot it in 3/4th. I do have a nice easy motorway commute though
There was a recall for cracked exhaust manifolds and timing chain tensioner. Some traction control units fail as well.
My accord is reliable enough but bland city.....
There was a recall for cracked exhaust manifolds and timing chain tensioner. Some traction control units fail as well.
My accord is reliable enough but bland city.....
My 2.2 was truely awful. The build quality was terrible. The clutch went at 20K. Bradford Honda know of one that went at 1100 miles and was classed as "fair wear and tear". The Paint looked like it had done 200000 miles not 20000, and it had no end of electrical problems.
The dealers are also a joke, or at least the ones near Leeds are.
If you still want one sign up to civinfo.com and read up
The dealers are also a joke, or at least the ones near Leeds are.
If you still want one sign up to civinfo.com and read up
Own a 2.2 CDTi Accord estate and it's got some issues. 54 plate. Owned it 2 years and taken it from 54000 to 100000 so far. It's had clutch/DMF at 57,000, the exhaust manifold has just cracked (not bothering to sort it till next MOT).
Despite that it does 45mpg no matter how it's driven, has quite decent torque, is fairly smooth and is capable of pulling the heavy accord along to quite impresive speeds.
Despite that it does 45mpg no matter how it's driven, has quite decent torque, is fairly smooth and is capable of pulling the heavy accord along to quite impresive speeds.
thinfourth2 said:
mike9009 said:
My parents have the 1.7 honda diesel unit in their 54 plate civic. In six years ownership they have had no faults at all. So based on a single data point honda diesels are reliable.......
Mike
Apart from 1 tiny little flaw your logic is faultlessMike
The 1.7 is an isuzu engine
(which consists of 2 x classic Minis, 1 x Allegro estate, 1 x Maestro 1.6L, 1 x Rover 214i and now the Honda Civic)
So rightfully so my father is impressed with the Civics reliability - but everything is relative!
Thanks for informing me about something I wasn't really interested in, in the first place.
Mike
sjabrown said:
Own a 2.2 CDTi Accord estate and it's got some issues. 54 plate. Owned it 2 years and taken it from 54000 to 100000 so far. It's had clutch/DMF at 57,000, the exhaust manifold has just cracked (not bothering to sort it till next MOT).
Despite that it does 45mpg no matter how it's driven, has quite decent torque, is fairly smooth and is capable of pulling the heavy accord along to quite impresive speeds.
Think that's a warranty fix.Despite that it does 45mpg no matter how it's driven, has quite decent torque, is fairly smooth and is capable of pulling the heavy accord along to quite impresive speeds.
s_zigmond said:
My 2.2 was truely awful. The build quality was terrible. The clutch went at 20K. Bradford Honda know of one that went at 1100 miles and was classed as "fair wear and tear". The Paint looked like it had done 200000 miles not 20000, and it had no end of electrical problems.
The dealers are also a joke, or at least the ones near Leeds are.
If you still want one sign up to civinfo.com and read up
Yeah clutches are an issue on these cars. Especially if you are rubbish with the clutch and ride it alot. In my petrol it's sometimes hard to change gear without having a brief moment of riding the clutch in an effort to avoid a jerky change.The dealers are also a joke, or at least the ones near Leeds are.
If you still want one sign up to civinfo.com and read up
DMFs are just user habits. So much torque from these engines people are tempted to drive round in low gears. The low freq and relatively large amplitude vibrations just end up detuning the flywheel.
Well it's 13 years later and I wanted to add my 2 cents.
I've had the 2.2 for a few years and the gearbox carrier bearing has just gone on 238k due to a bad mount on that side (I am guessing.) It was a Mitsubishi company car originally so immaculately serviced when it was a wee boy.
I absolutely ragged it and ragged it. No clutch problems, no engine problems. I went round a roundabout a bit quick once and I felt the engine hit the mount limits as it bounced left then right - the turbo groaned for a few weeks then magically went back to whistling away.
This one in particular really was bulletproof. Dissuade me from getting a £200 gearbox and putting it back on the road.
I've had the 2.2 for a few years and the gearbox carrier bearing has just gone on 238k due to a bad mount on that side (I am guessing.) It was a Mitsubishi company car originally so immaculately serviced when it was a wee boy.
I absolutely ragged it and ragged it. No clutch problems, no engine problems. I went round a roundabout a bit quick once and I felt the engine hit the mount limits as it bounced left then right - the turbo groaned for a few weeks then magically went back to whistling away.
This one in particular really was bulletproof. Dissuade me from getting a £200 gearbox and putting it back on the road.
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