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F20CN16 said:
Ah I thought that was done with the facelift in 2004. Woops.
It looks ok to me. It’s got the right wheels for an 02, although it doesn’t seem to have a Hamilton Palmer alarm which I thought all the PFL cars after the first 500 (in ‘99) had. It seems to have had a horrible coating of underseal over everything underneath which is a pet hate of mine, and somehow the cam belt was changed in 2010 which can’t have been easy.
As it say it looks alright, probably good value under £10k IMHO.
griffter said:
It looks ok to me. It’s got the right wheels for an 02, although it doesn’t seem to have a Hamilton Palmer alarm which I thought all the PFL cars after the first 500 (in ‘99) had.
It seems to have had a horrible coating of underseal over everything underneath which is a pet hate of mine, and somehow the cam belt was changed in 2010 which can’t have been easy.
As it say it looks alright, probably good value under £10k IMHO.
Yes, good car for around £10k. The interior looks very clean and tidy. If anyone pays 16 to 18 as guided though - ouch. There is a reserve on it but I don’t think we can see how much. I guess the reserve must be close to £16k, so I don’t see it selling.It seems to have had a horrible coating of underseal over everything underneath which is a pet hate of mine, and somehow the cam belt was changed in 2010 which can’t have been easy.
As it say it looks alright, probably good value under £10k IMHO.
I really have an issue with the website claiming it’s being transparent when the car has rust issues on the body in the usual places. The underseal might be OK as long as it’s not just covering issues up. I want to get my S2000 done but it has to be done the right way.
They have chain driven camshafts, so the chain was replaced? Or was it the aux belt?
I’ve seen 1 for sale in the past couple of years. It was £23k as well, and it was on sale for months and months. This was around Dec 2019. The price went down to about £20k if I remember rightly. It’s rare, but I think there’s every chance more will be sold soon.
On an unrelated note, just going back to the trade classics one - someone has asked about corrosion. The response from the owner is pretty alarming.
On an unrelated note, just going back to the trade classics one - someone has asked about corrosion. The response from the owner is pretty alarming.
F20CN16 said:
I’ve seen 1 for sale in the past couple of years. It was £23k as well, and it was on sale for months and months. This was around Dec 2019. The price went down to about £20k if I remember rightly. It’s rare, but I think there’s every chance more will be sold soon.
On an unrelated note, just going back to the trade classics one - someone has asked about corrosion. The response from the owner is pretty alarming.
I would say he got a little shirty!! I reckon it will get to £16k, given a few on the market for £20k now. On an unrelated note, just going back to the trade classics one - someone has asked about corrosion. The response from the owner is pretty alarming.
G
F20CN16 said:
They have chain driven camshafts, so the chain was replaced? Or was it the aux belt?
I’m sure you’re right, but the ad copy writing is poor!My pet hate with the underseal is that even if it was prepped and is sound beforehand, covering bushes, clips, fasteners and brake pipes etc just makes working on those parts sticky, messy and unpleasant later.
I am hopefully going to see a ‘99 car on Saturday. The owner has a pit, so I can have a good chance to look underneath. I normally look for arch rust, but as I have the opportunity, is there anywhere to specifically check underneath?
It’s very low mileage(48K) and been garaged most it’s life.
It’s very low mileage(48K) and been garaged most it’s life.
T5SOR said:
I am hopefully going to see a ‘99 car on Saturday. The owner has a pit, so I can have a good chance to look underneath. I normally look for arch rust, but as I have the opportunity, is there anywhere to specifically check underneath?
It’s very low mileage(48K) and been garaged most it’s life.
Check the whole of the rear wheel arch. Inside the wheel arch lips, all the way round. At the front, behind the “strakes” (mud flap things), on the inner arch above upper the rear wishbone, and the boot floor above the exhaust silencers. Also try to get a look behind the rear bumper. These are the typical areas for rust. It’s very low mileage(48K) and been garaged most it’s life.
Check also the sills (especially at the rear where the drain holes are) and the jacking points.
If you can (take a torch) inspect the rear brake pipes where they run up from the floor _over_the_subframe_ and into the wheel arch.
Don’t worry about surface rust on subframes and suspension.
Hope it works out well for you. I prefer the early cars for their raw purity.
Gio G said:
I would say he got a little shirty!! I reckon it will get to £16k, given a few on the market for £20k now.
G
This car is now ringing a bell for me. I might be wrong but there aren’t that many cars with a full red interior, 60k miles, in the Cotswolds. If it’s the same one it was listed on a Facebook group and S2KUK, perhaps a year or two ago. The vendor was cagey about price but wouldn’t take £14k. I suspect it’s the same car. G
I’m not interested in undermining his advert but for the estimate I would expect the photos to back up the assertion of no rust. Too often owners only see the shiny paint and don’t inspect their car with the critical eye of a potential buyer.
There was a red ‘99 with 20k miles which hung around for months, with the price bouncing between £12k and £14k at a dealer in Blackpool a year or so ago. That eventually sold for £13k.
For an edition 100 try an advert on the UK Facebook groups. A few posts lately have flushed out one or two owners deliberating a sale. There’s a guy currently contemplating selling his but it’s damage repaired. I think he’s decided to keep it however.
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This car is now ringing a bell for me. I might be wrong but there aren’t that many cars with a full red interior, 60k miles, in the Cotswolds. If it’s the same one it was listed on a Facebook group and S2KUK, perhaps a year or two ago. The vendor was cagey about price but wouldn’t take £14k. I suspect it’s the same car.
I’m not interested in undermining his advert but for the estimate I would expect the photos to back up the assertion of no rust. Too often owners only see the shiny paint and don’t inspect their car with the critical eye of a potential buyer.
Totally agree with this. When I purchased mine I was so glad that the underneath was clean and rust free and I had it protected straight away as it was no longer going to be a garage queen. I suspect most people are trying to cash in with the lack of decent stock at the moment. Some of lower mileage cars on AT will spur others to get onto the market, whether their values are realistic... time will tell soon enough.
G
This car is now ringing a bell for me. I might be wrong but there aren’t that many cars with a full red interior, 60k miles, in the Cotswolds. If it’s the same one it was listed on a Facebook group and S2KUK, perhaps a year or two ago. The vendor was cagey about price but wouldn’t take £14k. I suspect it’s the same car.
I’m not interested in undermining his advert but for the estimate I would expect the photos to back up the assertion of no rust. Too often owners only see the shiny paint and don’t inspect their car with the critical eye of a potential buyer.
Totally agree with this. When I purchased mine I was so glad that the underneath was clean and rust free and I had it protected straight away as it was no longer going to be a garage queen. I suspect most people are trying to cash in with the lack of decent stock at the moment. Some of lower mileage cars on AT will spur others to get onto the market, whether their values are realistic... time will tell soon enough.
G
matt3001 said:
How come it needed a new engine @ 24k miles if you don't mind me asking?
It suffered from the infamous 08/09 engine problem which affect a good number of cars. Something to do with thrust bearings, I believe.I was aware of it when I bought my second S2000, so made sure to get an extended warranty. The bill was £21k or so!
I killed the engine on my first one at 144k miles, and a lot of track days. It let go on the Kemmel straight at Spa.
griffter said:
F20CN16 said:
They have chain driven camshafts, so the chain was replaced? Or was it the aux belt?
I’m sure you’re right, but the ad copy writing is poor!My pet hate with the underseal is that even if it was prepped and is sound beforehand, covering bushes, clips, fasteners and brake pipes etc just makes working on those parts sticky, messy and unpleasant later.
griffter said:
Check the whole of the rear wheel arch. Inside the wheel arch lips, all the way round. At the front, behind the “strakes” (mud flap things), on the inner arch above upper the rear wishbone, and the boot floor above the exhaust silencers. Also try to get a look behind the rear bumper. These are the typical areas for rust.
Check also the sills (especially at the rear where the drain holes are) and the jacking points.
If you can (take a torch) inspect the rear brake pipes where they run up from the floor _over_the_subframe_ and into the wheel arch.
Don’t worry about surface rust on subframes and suspension.
Hope it works out well for you. I prefer the early cars for their raw purity.
Thanks very much for the advice/tips. The seller has sent me some underside pics in advance and I think it looks ok (so far). It may be the light but some of the underside framework looks orangey, but not rust?!?Check also the sills (especially at the rear where the drain holes are) and the jacking points.
If you can (take a torch) inspect the rear brake pipes where they run up from the floor _over_the_subframe_ and into the wheel arch.
Don’t worry about surface rust on subframes and suspension.
Hope it works out well for you. I prefer the early cars for their raw purity.
griffter said:
Gio G said:
I would say he got a little shirty!! I reckon it will get to £16k, given a few on the market for £20k now.
G
This car is now ringing a bell for me. I might be wrong but there aren’t that many cars with a full red interior, 60k miles, in the Cotswolds. If it’s the same one it was listed on a Facebook group and S2KUK, perhaps a year or two ago. The vendor was cagey about price but wouldn’t take £14k. I suspect it’s the same car. G
F20CN16 said:
Recent comment from the owner says almost £13000 is well below his reserve (looking at where the bidding was when the comment was made). It's now on £14000. I'd bite their hands off if I was him. He still maintains there is no rust on it.
Interesting... I bet his reserve is around £18k, which would be on the high level give it is not super low miles. With respect to the rust, individuals would need to inspect for peace of mind..G
Gio G said:
Interesting... I bet his reserve is around £18k, which would be on the high level give it is not super low miles. With respect to the rust, individuals would need to inspect for peace of mind..
G
Not sure about that. I think there would be some comeback possible based on the description (actual quote about the underside "no issues to report") and very stong comments by the owner that there is no rust.G
Finished at £18233! I think I might call my insurer if that's where values are at the moment...
F20CN16 said:
Not sure about that. I think there would be some comeback possible based on the description (actual quote about the underside "no issues to report") and very stong comments by the owner that there is no rust.
Finished at £18233! I think I might call my insurer if that's where values are at the moment...
I thought spending £12k+ on a ‘99 at 48K seemed a bit high........Finished at £18233! I think I might call my insurer if that's where values are at the moment...
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