2023 Honda Type R - FL5 availability
Discussion
usn90 said:
May be the minority but the last few type rs have lost their appeal
To me completely, I currently have 2 championship white FN2’s and had the EP3 before that, the FK2 was the last type R which you’d recognise as a civic type r
I had an EP3 and loved it. The FL5 is quite a bit bigger, packed with significantly more tech/equipment and no longer has a NA high revving engine. It's also put on a few hundred kilos of weight.To me completely, I currently have 2 championship white FN2’s and had the EP3 before that, the FK2 was the last type R which you’d recognise as a civic type r
Does it dilute or deviate from the original Type R ethos? To be honest, having driven one I couldn't care less. It's utterly brilliant in ways my EP3 could only dream of.
Times change and my only criticism is that cars are expensive nowadays. But what else isn't. As far as the FL5 and FK8 go, Honda have maintained the manual, FWD format, huge practically and most importantly IMO commitment to engineering. They're still top notch products and their standing as the best driver's hot hatches is likely to be true.
Can't get much more appealing than that but it's definitely a personal thing and there's nothing wrong with your stance.
Zero Fuchs said:
usn90 said:
May be the minority but the last few type rs have lost their appeal
To me completely, I currently have 2 championship white FN2’s and had the EP3 before that, the FK2 was the last type R which you’d recognise as a civic type r
I had an EP3 and loved it. The FL5 is quite a bit bigger, packed with significantly more tech/equipment and no longer has a NA high revving engine. It's also put on a few hundred kilos of weight.To me completely, I currently have 2 championship white FN2’s and had the EP3 before that, the FK2 was the last type R which you’d recognise as a civic type r
Does it dilute or deviate from the original Type R ethos? To be honest, having driven one I couldn't care less. It's utterly brilliant in ways my EP3 could only dream of.
Times change and my only criticism is that cars are expensive nowadays. But what else isn't. As far as the FL5 and FK8 go, Honda have maintained the manual, FWD format, huge practically and most importantly IMO commitment to engineering. They're still top notch products and their standing as the best driver's hot hatches is likely to be true.
Can't get much more appealing than that but it's definitely a personal thing and there's nothing wrong with your stance.
I think post the FK2 they resemble Integras more so than Civics.
If I purchase another type r it will most likely be the FK2, out of my two CW fn2’s ones tastefully modded and the other I’ve owned since new, standard with ultra low mileage, immaculate inside and out with full service history, I think I’ll be keeping hold of that one.
usn90 said:
I’ve can’t comment on how they drive, however being a Honda type R I’m sure they are brilliant to drive.
I think post the FK2 they resemble Integras more so than Civics.
If I purchase another type r it will most likely be the FK2, out of my two CW fn2’s ones tastefully modded and the other I’ve owned since new, standard with ultra low mileage, immaculate inside and out with full service history, I think I’ll be keeping hold of that one.
Yeah you make a good point. I quite like the new intergra but it is closer to that than the boxy hatches of old. It's questionable whether it's still a classic hatchback and used to think the same when they used to test the Octavia vRS against other hatches. I'm ok with it though and the driving experience kind of makes you forget about it.I think post the FK2 they resemble Integras more so than Civics.
If I purchase another type r it will most likely be the FK2, out of my two CW fn2’s ones tastefully modded and the other I’ve owned since new, standard with ultra low mileage, immaculate inside and out with full service history, I think I’ll be keeping hold of that one.
I like the FN2, despite it never feeling the love. Still a great car and definitely worth keeping the stock one you've had from new. They just don't make engines like that any more.
Having said that, Honda have done a superb job on the current 2.0. It breathes so freely up to the redline that it almost makes up for not topping out at 8.25k. It doesn't sound the best but think that's due to legislation than Honda.
But the rest of it is there. Fantastic seats, driving position, gear change/location of the gear lever/knob, handling and ride quality. I'd have one in a heartbeat and am 100% jealous of those fortunate enough to have one on the drive.
Andyoz said:
Having sold my 25 year old 996 GT3, I am looking at one of these as a do everything fun car.
I nearly bought a local 1 owner, low miles sonic grey FK8 for £22k a year ago but just couldn't get around the styling (I'm 54!)
Cash buyer. What are peoples thoughts on trying to haggle more from dealers or buying a 1 year old used one.
Are sellers being sensible in terms of used pricing given the discounts on new ones?...for example, I can't see this being a £40k car private...
https://www.autotrader.co.uk/car-details/202501178...
I'm in a similar boat, selling my M4 shortly and as an ex-Honda head who's had nearly every fast Honda bar an NSX, I'd really love an FL5 for a while - I always admired what the FK8 can do and how well it was reviewed, but just couldn't bring myself to buy one as it's a bit on the lairy side for my age (late 40s). 20 years ago it wouldn't have been an issue. The FL5 seems to take all the best bits of that car and put them in a more relaxed and mature looking package. I nearly bought a local 1 owner, low miles sonic grey FK8 for £22k a year ago but just couldn't get around the styling (I'm 54!)
Cash buyer. What are peoples thoughts on trying to haggle more from dealers or buying a 1 year old used one.
Are sellers being sensible in terms of used pricing given the discounts on new ones?...for example, I can't see this being a £40k car private...
https://www.autotrader.co.uk/car-details/202501178...
They're quite beefy looking on the road too with the flared arches, one passed me the other day and I'm pretty sure the guy had fitted springs and spacers, it had a very aggressive stance even if the styling itself has been toned down.
BlueJazz said:
I'm picking up a new FL5 CTR on Saturday, quite a change from a Jazz!
Do any of you owners have any hits or tips after owning your car over time please?
Congrats! I'm due to get mine on Monday Do any of you owners have any hits or tips after owning your car over time please?
I have a set of Alplus stone guards ready to go on, and plan on disabling the sat nav to remove some of the bongs, but also keen to hear from other owners.
Is there a go-to drive mode that most people end up in?
doogle83 said:
BlueJazz said:
I'm picking up a new FL5 CTR on Saturday, quite a change from a Jazz!
Do any of you owners have any hits or tips after owning your car over time please?
Congrats! I'm due to get mine on Monday Do any of you owners have any hits or tips after owning your car over time please?
I have a set of Alplus stone guards ready to go on, and plan on disabling the sat nav to remove some of the bongs, but also keen to hear from other owners.
Is there a go-to drive mode that most people end up in?
doogle83 said:
BlueJazz said:
I'm picking up a new FL5 CTR on Saturday, quite a change from a Jazz!
Do any of you owners have any hits or tips after owning your car over time please?
Congrats! I'm due to get mine on Monday Do any of you owners have any hits or tips after owning your car over time please?
I have a set of Alplus stone guards ready to go on, and plan on disabling the sat nav to remove some of the bongs, but also keen to hear from other owners.
Is there a go-to drive mode that most people end up in?
Some reasonable offers through CarWow etc on FL5 remaining stock in the UK - about 7% off the car, but finance still not as good as Honda headline rate of 5.9%.
Does anybody know how many stock cars Honda UK still have? Are all colour options still available? Type R has been all but eradicated from the Honda UK website.
My Model 3 LR has to go back in December and might jump back to a manual petrol for a last go before electric becomes mandatory.
Does anybody know how many stock cars Honda UK still have? Are all colour options still available? Type R has been all but eradicated from the Honda UK website.
My Model 3 LR has to go back in December and might jump back to a manual petrol for a last go before electric becomes mandatory.
Edited by JLZ78 on Tuesday 7th October 14:30
There appears to be a lot of FOMO generation going on by some dealers at the moment - for example I was told today that if I didn’t buy their car, I would ‘never again be able to buy an unregistered Type R in the UK’.
Leaving the future Type R hybrid debate to one side, I happen to know Honda UK will release more cars for sale, fresh from Japan, in November. As CTR production continues into next year, the likes of the Chiswick Honda’s ‘Last Ever Black Type R’ bolleaux is becoming increasingly widespread.
Honda will sell as many of these worldwide as they can before the regulations stop them. The fact UK supply is relatively short right now, as the current batch bought up, appears to be generating a false sense of FOMO.
Leaving the future Type R hybrid debate to one side, I happen to know Honda UK will release more cars for sale, fresh from Japan, in November. As CTR production continues into next year, the likes of the Chiswick Honda’s ‘Last Ever Black Type R’ bolleaux is becoming increasingly widespread.
Honda will sell as many of these worldwide as they can before the regulations stop them. The fact UK supply is relatively short right now, as the current batch bought up, appears to be generating a false sense of FOMO.
No numbers given, just that another batch would be released. I
imagine they’ll all sell - the recent support and finance incentives seemed to have worked well. Plus the dealer FOMO rubbish.
The UK doesn t mandate Euro 6e-bis testing for all new car and van registrations until April 2026.
imagine they’ll all sell - the recent support and finance incentives seemed to have worked well. Plus the dealer FOMO rubbish.
The UK doesn t mandate Euro 6e-bis testing for all new car and van registrations until April 2026.
One of the larger dealers I’ve recently contacted told me. All of the others have been pushing the line of ‘this is your last chance’ or similar.
This one said (quote) “We have been told there will be a final pool of Civic Type R stock released in November from Honda UK, however you will probably have to wait a couple of weeks to get your hands on one.”
This one said (quote) “We have been told there will be a final pool of Civic Type R stock released in November from Honda UK, however you will probably have to wait a couple of weeks to get your hands on one.”
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