Noise limits - are we going to have a real problem?

Noise limits - are we going to have a real problem?

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speedfr0g

Original Poster:

39 posts

116 months

Thursday 10th June
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Hi all

This side of PH is always very quiet ... but I thought there is a current topic in the press and TV regarding excessive noise and the wish to legislate which should be of interest to most of the local PH community.

Here are some links
http://www.laerm.ch/fr/gestion-du-bruit/sources-de...
https://www.bafu.admin.ch/bafu/fr/home/themes/brui...

Only in local languages DE/FR/IT - google translate otherwise ...

An English language article about Austria which banned some routes from motorcycles
https://motorcycles.news/en/driving-ban-for-too-lo...


Whilst the will is there now in Switzerland to do something, the main questions to me are :

How quickly can something be formulated and put into law ?
Is there an ability to put rules like 92 db in certain areas in effect forbidding most motorbikes and a lot of (interesting) cars ? This despite the vehicles being in conformity at the time of sale with regulations ?
Will there be grandfathering provisions, thereby allowing existing cars/bikes to continue ?

Looking forward to your views and additional insight you might have !

Cheers

Eric


Kawasicki

9,612 posts

203 months

Thursday 10th June
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Hey Eric

We discussed this on biker banter a few months back. It wasn’t Switzerland specific though.

Here you go…

https://www.pistonheads.com/gassing/topic.asp?h=0&...

Ciao


Edited by Kawasicki on Thursday 10th June 20:27

speedfr0g

Original Poster:

39 posts

116 months

Friday 11th June
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Hi Kawasicki

Not quite sure why you wrote this?

Did you follow the links I provided? Are you aware of the CURRENT SWISS situation?
Linking to any discussion that is a year ago and concerns Austria just gives the impression the topic is not worth a discussion and stops contributions on a board that is already lacking in interaction.

So please, everyone else, do contribute your topical knowledge or reactions.

Cheers

Speedfr0g

Kawasicki

9,612 posts

203 months

Friday 11th June
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speedfr0g said:
Hi Kawasicki

Not quite sure why you wrote this?

Did you follow the links I provided? Are you aware of the CURRENT SWISS situation?
Linking to any discussion that is a year ago and concerns Austria just gives the impression the topic is not worth a discussion and stops contributions on a board that is already lacking in interaction.

So please, everyone else, do contribute your topical knowledge or reactions.

Cheers

Speedfr0g
I wrote my post because a lot of the posters were of the opinion that “who cares what happens in Austria“. So I’d imagine your post about Switzerland will get a similar response.

JMGS4

8,559 posts

238 months

Saturday 12th June
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There are HUGE problems here in the southern Black Forest with bike noise...
The tight valleys and twisty roads make it very interesting/great fun for bikers, but a minority are spoiling it for others.
I'm also a biker, but only ride a small quiet one nowadays, and also hike a lot here, so we hear bike noise often when hiking, especially at the weekend...

A recent police check on a weekend showed that usually the bikers stopped (for noise) had illegal exhausts (usually race pots), and the majority were French and Swiss, who seemed to think that F + CH bikes do not have to conform to German law.
NOT the case! They can have their bikes impounded and get huge fines.... IIRR there were 30 bikes taken off the road earlier this year at 1 checkpoint!

The problem is that the villages in the valleys are now up in arms against bikers in general, not just the illegal pot ones!!!
So you guys are spoiling it for everyone else.... Roads can be closed for bikes as already has been done on the Schauinsland... so beware guys...

speedfr0g

Original Poster:

39 posts

116 months

Saturday 12th June
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Hi JMGS4

I am a biker too and I have not modified my bike ... it is just noisy out-of-the-box (Panigale V4) but is as it was approved for registration.
I also have cars in road legal condition but they do make noise.
I am looking to buy a Challenge Stradale and this is a car with a beautiful noise but extremely (yet factory spec) loud. I wonder whether we will be able to enjoy those vehicles for much longer despite being in conformity with current rules.

I also agree with you that it is a few who push things too far and yet we will all end up with a bad situation.

Cheers

Speedfr0g

JMGS4

8,559 posts

238 months

Sunday 13th June
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speedfr0g said:
Hi JMGS4
I am a biker too and I have not modified my bike ... it is just noisy out-of-the-box (Panigale V4) but is as it was approved for registration.
I also have cars in road legal condition but they do make noise.
I am looking to buy a Challenge Stradale and this is a car with a beautiful noise but extremely (yet factory spec) loud. I wonder whether we will be able to enjoy those vehicles for much longer despite being in conformity with current rules.
I also agree with you that it is a few who push things too far and yet we will all end up with a bad situation.
Cheers
Speedfr0g
Nice Duke!!!
Certainly here in Germany the authorities are looking at noise levels on bikes/cars to see how they can be reduced.
Atm the noise levels are measured 1m from the exhaust at a 45° angle to it and only 2000 RPM.... idiocy if you really want to measure noise, as bikes can rev to 12 nay 14 thousand and are then waaaay over any limits... 110+db in some cases...

As long as the law is porous, manufacturers will get around them. Porsche sells a legal extra where you can switch your exhaust straight through, increasing to a lovely sounding level, as a driver, but annoying to pedestrians....

See the town of Singen which has just done a local ban on "posers" with loud exhausts and (mostly) illegal bolt-on plastic mods....(cars in this case)

Just to give you an idea how bike/car noise can travel... we were hiking at around 1300m enjoying the peace and quiet, no planes, Alpensicht etc, looking down on 2 valleys. What we assumed was a bike with a high note howling exhaust, 2 miles away and a thousand metres lower, joined us for a good 3-5 minutes as he/she enjoyed the valley road below us....... other bikes were heard, just in some cases, but that one was extreme...


Edited by JMGS4 on Sunday 13th June 08:45

Kawasicki

9,612 posts

203 months

Sunday 13th June
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The problem isnˋt measuring bikes and fining their riders if they are too loud. The problem is banning completely road legal/unmodified bikes because some local authority decides they want to.

I have a Ducati 999 with an official Standgeräusch of 95dB, so it is still legal...my friend has a standard Monster with an official 102. He can no longer legally ride his bike on some of his favourite routes in Austria. He is proper annoyed!

German tuning companies have already discovered a cheap work-around.

JMGS4

8,559 posts

238 months

Sunday 13th June
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Kawasicki said:
The problem isn?t measuring bikes and fining their riders if they are too loud. The problem is banning completely road legal/unmodified bikes because some local authority decides they want to.

I have a Ducati 999 with an official Standgeräusch of 95dB, so it is still legal...my friend has a standard Monster with an official 102. He can no longer legally ride his bike on some of his favourite routes in Austria. He is proper annoyed!

German tuning companies have already discovered a cheap work-around.
Understand your annoyance, however that's the federal system working. Every small town count is allowed to legislate locally..... It should be resolved at a national level.....

Kawasicki

9,612 posts

203 months

Sunday 13th June
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JMGS4 said:
Kawasicki said:
The problem isn?t measuring bikes and fining their riders if they are too loud. The problem is banning completely road legal/unmodified bikes because some local authority decides they want to.

I have a Ducati 999 with an official Standgeräusch of 95dB, so it is still legal...my friend has a standard Monster with an official 102. He can no longer legally ride his bike on some of his favourite routes in Austria. He is proper annoyed!

German tuning companies have already discovered a cheap work-around.
Understand your annoyance, however that's the federal system working. Every small town count is allowed to legislate locally..... It should be resolved at a national level.....
Some local police can no longer ride their patrol bikes on some roads, but a loud car is allowed?



JMGS4

8,559 posts

238 months

Sunday 13th June
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Kawasicki said:
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Some local police can no longer ride their patrol bikes on some roads, but a loud car is allowed?
So they've shot themselves in the foot methinks!?!?!?
I bet the Austrian Government is wondering why they've become federal when a local potentate/Ortvorsteher/Burgermeister/useless elected idiot can overrule the Police... Ha Ha Ha!!

speedfr0g

Original Poster:

39 posts

116 months

Sunday 13th June
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Hi

Here is the link to the national council giving the go ahead to look into the matter

https://www.parlament.ch/en/ratsbetrieb/suche-curi...

Cheers

Eric

JMGS4

8,559 posts

238 months

Monday 14th June
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speedfr0g said:
Hi

Here is the link to the national council giving the go ahead to look into the matter

https://www.parlament.ch/en/ratsbetrieb/suche-curi...

Cheers

Eric
Love the mention of the "anti-noise radar", must be something special that the Bernese have invented!!!