Curb damage

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Cheapstraitsix

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269 posts

139 months

Tuesday 25th April 2017
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Was riding the curbs at Combe quite hard yesterday but didn't expect this. eek



Gouge marks down to the cords all the way round the n/s/f.

This due to the tyres being near end of life?

Or just need to lay off the curbs a bit?

HustleRussell

24,637 posts

160 months

Tuesday 25th April 2017
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I don't think that's caused by curbs, IMO more likely old tyre / incorrect pressures?

Cheapstraitsix

Original Poster:

269 posts

139 months

Tuesday 25th April 2017
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Pressures were checked prior to going on track and were bang on recommended.

Tyre age maybe a factor as they predate my ownership of the car.

Just about to get some ns2R tyres fitted and don't wish them the same fate!

E-bmw

9,195 posts

152 months

Tuesday 25th April 2017
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You say the tyres were checked just before going on track.

If you then spent several laps on track they will have got significantly hotter & therefore a significantly higher pressure. Most people check them when they are hot when they come back in, then drop them to the correct pressures & take a couple of laps to warm them up before driving at full speed.

seiben

2,345 posts

134 months

Tuesday 25th April 2017
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Hard to tell from the pic, is that the NSF wheel? If so, on a clockwise track like Combe, I'd call cornering damage rather than kerb damage.

HustleRussell

24,637 posts

160 months

Tuesday 25th April 2017
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E-bmw said:
You say the tyres were checked just before going on track.

If you then spent several laps on track they will have got significantly hotter & therefore a significantly higher pressure. Most people check them when they are hot when they come back in, then drop them to the correct pressures & take a couple of laps to warm them up before driving at full speed.
Yep, if they were at the manufacturer's recommended cold pressures then they will have been far too high within a few laps.

If they are old tyres and they predate your purchase of the car they could have been run under-inflated for a spell in the past which will weaken the tyre in that spot.

Cheapstraitsix

Original Poster:

269 posts

139 months

Tuesday 25th April 2017
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To Ben honest never took into account the hot pressures.

I assume the best way to do this is go out for 15mins or so, adjust, then monitor throughout the day?

That being said never had a tyre gouge down to the cords on the 8 previous track days, 3 with these tyres?

Accelebrate

5,248 posts

215 months

Wednesday 26th April 2017
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I've had similar issues with soft tyres that can't handle heat 'chunking', I don't think it's anything to do with kerbs.


Chr1sch

2,585 posts

193 months

Wednesday 26th April 2017
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I ran over a curb on the outside of the new chicane at Bedford last year, it is so aggressive that it tripped my fuel cut off and broke a tooth off my diff!!

In general i'd avoid them unless confident they're smooth

thebraketester

14,221 posts

138 months

Wednesday 26th April 2017
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Unsuitable tyre for the job.

HustleRussell

24,637 posts

160 months

Wednesday 26th April 2017
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Cheapstraitsix said:
To Ben honest never took into account the hot pressures.

I assume the best way to do this is go out for 15mins or so, adjust, then monitor throughout the day?

That being said never had a tyre gouge down to the cords on the 8 previous track days, 3 with these tyres?
Yes.

Your tyre, and accelebrate's, were very low on tread on the outer shoulder and approaching the layer where the tread is vulcanised onto the carcass. With continued heat and abuse the tread may start to lift as you wear through this layer. This is typical on cars and tyres which are not geared towards track work.

tsinc

400 posts

152 months

Wednesday 26th April 2017
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I had the same on Cup 2's. I thought it was due to not running enough camber but it's not consistent around the edge and just one big chunk on the NSF so not sure if it's cornering/curb/lack of camber damage?



This tyre did go through a lot of heat cycling though which no doubt added to it.

HustleRussell

24,637 posts

160 months

Wednesday 26th April 2017
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As I said above, you're wearing through the tread layer and it's starting to tear off. The tyre is simply finished. Predictably in your case and in the OP's case, the outer shoulder of the N/S/F goes first (because clockwise)- more camber and a racier setup might help but really it's symptomatic of tracking a heavy road car on road tyres.

mmm-five

11,236 posts

284 months

Wednesday 26th April 2017
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Mine started to do the same, but on the inside.



Do you think it had anything to do with drifting around an airfield?

james_gt3rs

4,816 posts

191 months

Wednesday 26th April 2017
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Chr1sch said:
I ran over a curb on the outside of the new chicane at Bedford last year, it is so aggressive that it tripped my fuel cut off and broke a tooth off my diff!!

In general i'd avoid them unless confident they're smooth
yikes

SpudLink

5,743 posts

192 months

Wednesday 26th April 2017
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james_gt3rs said:
Chr1sch said:
I ran over a curb on the outside of the new chicane at Bedford last year, it is so aggressive that it tripped my fuel cut off and broke a tooth off my diff!!

In general i'd avoid them unless confident they're smooth
yikes
I thought Bedford was supposed to be the beginner friendly track day circuit. If there's no actual racing , why do they need to make the curbs so aggressive?

Chr1sch

2,585 posts

193 months

Thursday 27th April 2017
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SpudLink said:
james_gt3rs said:
Chr1sch said:
I ran over a curb on the outside of the new chicane at Bedford last year, it is so aggressive that it tripped my fuel cut off and broke a tooth off my diff!!

In general i'd avoid them unless confident they're smooth
yikes
I thought Bedford was supposed to be the beginner friendly track day circuit. If there's no actual racing , why do they need to make the curbs so aggressive?
In all fairness the others all seem ok but the new chicane up towards the hairpin onto the big back straight is insanely aggressive, the car has solid wishbone mounts etc so it literally felt like I'd hit a row of bricks

carreauchompeur

17,836 posts

204 months

Thursday 27th April 2017
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  • kerb

Jarcy

1,559 posts

275 months

Thursday 27th April 2017
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tsinc said:
I had the same on Cup 2's. I thought it was due to not running enough camber but it's not consistent around the edge and just one big chunk on the NSF so not sure if it's cornering/curb/lack of camber damage?



This tyre did go through a lot of heat cycling though which no doubt added to it.
I did Castle Combe on Friday running Cup 2's.
I noticed a significant amount of wear on the NSF, but it was very even across the tyre. - no damage similar to the picture.
I did of course attack the kerbs (but not the green), and made sure that the pressures were correct.
I didn't find the kerbs at Combe to be too severe.

My fronts are specified at 18psi, which I had previously set from cold.
After session 1 and therefore a heat cycle I rechecked and they were at 22.5psi.
Therefore reduced to the correct pressure.

My car's quite light so maybe heavier cars take more punishment.

HustleRussell

24,637 posts

160 months

Thursday 27th April 2017
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Jarcy said:
My car's quite light so maybe heavier cars take more punishment.
yes triple the weight, raise the CoG by a foot, reduce the front camber and it's no surprise that mass production cars roll onto the tyre's shoulder on hard cornering causing particularly heavy wear on the very edge of the tread.