£50 charge for damaging grass?
Discussion
Apparently it is in the small print of most of the trackday stuff we sign b4 going out on track.
Where does it stop though...... I've blown a line off an oil cooler before and pumped 7 liters of oil on track. do i foot the bill of the guys cleaning it up? (I was not popular with the cleaning guys, happened just b4 lunch so the marshals cleaned it up through the lunch break, minimum track time lost to other users though.)
Or what about if the off track scenery / furniture damages your car, can you claim off TDO / circuit?
Hypothetical examples:
Cone gets flicked onto the track by another car, no red flag, drive into cone and damage your car?
Car goes off into gravel brings it back on track. Reg flag, marshals sweep most of it up? Few laps later, stone gets flicked into car & damages it? or open top no screen car, driver or passenger get injured?
If this sort of thing starts happening could start to make trackdays very expensive / not viable? or TDO forces every car to have track insurance?
Where does it stop though...... I've blown a line off an oil cooler before and pumped 7 liters of oil on track. do i foot the bill of the guys cleaning it up? (I was not popular with the cleaning guys, happened just b4 lunch so the marshals cleaned it up through the lunch break, minimum track time lost to other users though.)
Or what about if the off track scenery / furniture damages your car, can you claim off TDO / circuit?
Hypothetical examples:
Cone gets flicked onto the track by another car, no red flag, drive into cone and damage your car?
Car goes off into gravel brings it back on track. Reg flag, marshals sweep most of it up? Few laps later, stone gets flicked into car & damages it? or open top no screen car, driver or passenger get injured?
If this sort of thing starts happening could start to make trackdays very expensive / not viable? or TDO forces every car to have track insurance?
Stephanie Plum said:
One of our Chiefs used to always say in the briefing - 'You've paid for the grey bit. The green bit belongs to Dr Palmer'.
^ that's a great quote. I attended a TD with the BMW Car Club where someone swiped a barrier quite hard & they tried to say it was the clubs fault....it's now a common feature of the driver briefing before each event with them with much sniggering/head shaking, but the understanding is that there are consequences for your wallet if you hit immovable items next to the track. Given the very nature of trackdays, and the likelihood of potential accidents, it would seem like a very unwise move for TDOs or landowners to be punitive towards the individual. Why not include a 'wear and tear' factor in the cost of the TD, and spread the cost in a predictable manner for everyone?
I saw this discussion on facebook the other day, it does concern me to a degree, i for one do TD's on a budget, and cannot afford to leave a circuit with not only a broken car but a bill for thousands at the same time.
It is however an impossible argument, there will always be the response, "drive within the limits" etc, so I guess much like the ring, it just becomes a greater reason not to crash, and get on with it.
It is however an impossible argument, there will always be the response, "drive within the limits" etc, so I guess much like the ring, it just becomes a greater reason not to crash, and get on with it.
C70R said:
Given the very nature of trackdays, and the likelihood of potential accidents, it would seem like a very unwise move for TDOs or landowners to be punitive towards the individual. Why not include a 'wear and tear' factor in the cost of the TD, and spread the cost in a predictable manner for everyone?
Indeed. Cost of barriers/grass is the cost of doing business for the circuits and is effectively already built in to the pricing. If they go the way of the 'ring with punitive barrier costs in the name of greed then I can see a big reduction in the number of participants. Chr1sch said:
It is however an impossible argument, there will always be the response, "drive within the limits" etc, so I guess much like the ring, it just becomes a greater reason not to crash, and get on with it.
Yes and no. The whole point in track days is to push the performance of your car. There is inherent risk in this. If you have to dial it back to the point you drive with the same safety margin you do on public roads then there really is little point.Gassing Station | Track Days | Top of Page | What's New | My Stuff