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alienwarerandy said:
Another vote for XP10, have lasted approx. 8 days so far and still have life left in them. Expensive though.
I've got XP10s now, paid a chunk for them but they seem worth it. 8 days and still have life in them though, is this a surprise? Someone mentioned earlier DS2500s lasting one track day, what are you people doing to your brakes? 
I did a full season of sprints and multiple track days in a full weight 400hp Evo 8 with Carbotech XP8s a couple years ago, lots of hard road use too and the pads still had plenty of life left. I got them so hot at Cadwell park I melted my centre caps too!
I use Hawk Street Race pads. A good track and road pad. 400 bhp 1100 kg TVR. Not as abrasive as Carbon Lorraine pads, which I found wore my disks out too fast and boiled my brake fluid too easily.
Hawk can be bought from Cambridge Motorsports in Hertfordshire. Not as expensive as Ferodo, not as dusty either
Hawk can be bought from Cambridge Motorsports in Hertfordshire. Not as expensive as Ferodo, not as dusty either
adam. said:
Another Carbotech XP8 user here, on my Evo 6.
They've done one hot day at Brands so far, I'm really hoping they quiet down as it's almost embarrassing using them on the street with the amount they sqeual!
Can't fault their performance though.
Don't expect them to get quieter. I had 2 sets on the MX5. Both quite squeely their whole time.They've done one hot day at Brands so far, I'm really hoping they quiet down as it's almost embarrassing using them on the street with the amount they sqeual!
Can't fault their performance though.
Munter said:
adam. said:
Another Carbotech XP8 user here, on my Evo 6.
They've done one hot day at Brands so far, I'm really hoping they quiet down as it's almost embarrassing using them on the street with the amount they sqeual!
Can't fault their performance though.
Don't expect them to get quieter. I had 2 sets on the MX5. Both quite squeely their whole time.They've done one hot day at Brands so far, I'm really hoping they quiet down as it's almost embarrassing using them on the street with the amount they sqeual!
Can't fault their performance though.
I have a 350z GT that I use for track only... comes with brembo's as standard.
I have braided lines with Motul 660 fluid as I kept boiling the standard fluid. Front pads I use BlueStuff - awesome biting (cold and hot) into the drilled and grooved discs but very dusty.
My main advise would be, ensure the brake fluid is up to the top !
Peter
StottyGTR said:
I'm looking for recommendations for which track day pad to use.
I'm running a Subaru Impreza, 280hp/1100kg, with Gold Brembo's. After searching around a lot I landed on Ferodo DS3000s but its £300 a set, this is a bit more than I'd like to spend and very potentially overkill as the car is quite light, underpowered and has pretty decent calipers.
Any suggestions for a decent cheapish pad that won't fade?
How much cheaper are ds2500s or mintex 1144s? Have run both happily in brembo 4 pots on a 320bhp/1500kg car. I'm running a Subaru Impreza, 280hp/1100kg, with Gold Brembo's. After searching around a lot I landed on Ferodo DS3000s but its £300 a set, this is a bit more than I'd like to spend and very potentially overkill as the car is quite light, underpowered and has pretty decent calipers.
Any suggestions for a decent cheapish pad that won't fade?
£300 a set seems a lot so am assuming you mean all round not just fronts? For rear pads I'd just use anything oem standard from the likes of brembo/mintex/(even ebc) that doesn't require a lot of heat to work.
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E-bmw said:
100% agree with that one.
£115 (DS2500) for 1 day versus £230 for 1 year with enough meat to keep as a spare set.
£115 (DS2500) for 1 day versus £230 for 1 year with enough meat to keep as a spare set.
E-bmw said:
Personally, I think DS3000 are not good track day pads.
The bite & longevity of PROPER TD pads as opposed to "fast road" pads is a revelation having used many over the years.
Pagid RS29 are a VERY good TD pad, as are DS1.11, as are many others.
However, to get good TD pads that last & don't wreck discs is NEVER going to be cheap.
I used to pay £230 + vat for RS 29s using AP twin opposed pot pistons on an e36 328, but they lasted over a year of TDs.
EBC yellow, by comparison were £95.00 & lasted one full TD if I was lucky.
What are you doing or what are you driving if you can get that difference out of a set of pads.... The other basic science of it is a higher friction pad wears any disc faster so claiming more aggressive pads wont go through discs quicker is clearly the usual internet bThe bite & longevity of PROPER TD pads as opposed to "fast road" pads is a revelation having used many over the years.
Pagid RS29 are a VERY good TD pad, as are DS1.11, as are many others.
However, to get good TD pads that last & don't wreck discs is NEVER going to be cheap.
I used to pay £230 + vat for RS 29s using AP twin opposed pot pistons on an e36 328, but they lasted over a year of TDs.
EBC yellow, by comparison were £95.00 & lasted one full TD if I was lucky.
ks that gets people over buying. If you did manage to get through a set of yellow stuff in a day I guess you melted 2-3 sets of tyres the same day.Edited by Black_S3 on Saturday 19th May 01:47
If you check out Ferodos racing website it shows the relative temps and biting meow (technical term for coeffiecient of friction but obviously spelt wrong).
I looked for a better pad than DS3000 as they were very harsh, squealed like a piggy and wore out my discs. This is what pointed me towards DSUno, which turned out to be a good choice. They have a much better cold bite, something that DS3000 were pretty awful for. The 3000’s took some heat before they worked properly which is not good when you are getting up early for a track day!
Once up to temp they perform very similarly.
http://www.ferodoracing.com/products/car-racing/ra...
I looked for a better pad than DS3000 as they were very harsh, squealed like a piggy and wore out my discs. This is what pointed me towards DSUno, which turned out to be a good choice. They have a much better cold bite, something that DS3000 were pretty awful for. The 3000’s took some heat before they worked properly which is not good when you are getting up early for a track day!
Once up to temp they perform very similarly.
http://www.ferodoracing.com/products/car-racing/ra...
Black_S3 said:
What are you doing or what are you driving if you can get that difference out of a set of pads.... The other basic science of it is a higher friction pad wears any disc faster so claiming more aggressive pads wont go through discs quicker is clearly the usual internet bks that gets people over buying. If you did manage to get through a set of yellow stuff in a day I guess you melted 2-3 sets of tyres the same day.
It's bit more complicated than that, sadly. The yellow stuff compound is so weak that the wear becomes exponential very quickly. The bonding agent melts quickly and ends up on the disc which in turn makes retardation even worse while what's left of the pad crumbles away. Killing a set of Yellow Stuff in a day is par for the course IME, I see it happen regularly.ks that gets people over buying. If you did manage to get through a set of yellow stuff in a day I guess you melted 2-3 sets of tyres the same day.OP the RS19/29 would be ideal but you MIGHT get away with PFC Z rated if you do runs that are not too long (6/7 laps). They are around £100 for that caliper (if it's the same as the EVO6/7/8 caliper). http://www.scoobyparts.com/performance/brakes/perf...
Fresh RBF600 or the likes too though.
Edited by nickfrog on Saturday 19th May 18:53
E-bmw said:
LondonTom said:
Another shout for RS29's and RS19's (no 29's available for the rear on an e30). I had been using DS3000's, however, the longevity of the RS29's far outweigh the difference in cost.
100% agree with that one.£115 (DS2500) for 1 day versus £230 for 1 year with enough meat to keep as a spare set.
Ahbefive said:
E-bmw said:
LondonTom said:
Another shout for RS29's and RS19's (no 29's available for the rear on an e30). I had been using DS3000's, however, the longevity of the RS29's far outweigh the difference in cost.
100% agree with that one.£115 (DS2500) for 1 day versus £230 for 1 year with enough meat to keep as a spare set.
I actually agree with you - they take ages to wear out
QBee said:
Ever thought you might not be trying hard enough?
I actually agree with you - they take ages to wear out
Was trying hard enough to manage to warp 2 sets of discs and had to go for a 2piece disc setup but the pads still had plenty of life when I changed them.I actually agree with you - they take ages to wear out
I am very hard on the brakes and the DS2500s have swallowed it all up without any fuss time after time. Reyland even said that with their 2 piece setup they almost always supply these pads.
The EBC red stuff pads that I had before did start to crumble after about 1k road miles and 4 half hr sessions at Silverstone.
Ahbefive said:
QBee said:
Ever thought you might not be trying hard enough?
I actually agree with you - they take ages to wear out
Was trying hard enough to manage to warp 2 sets of discs and had to go for a 2piece disc setup but the pads still had plenty of life when I changed them.I actually agree with you - they take ages to wear out
I am very hard on the brakes and the DS2500s have swallowed it all up without any fuss time after time. Reyland even said that with their 2 piece setup they almost always supply these pads.
The EBC red stuff pads that I had before did start to crumble after about 1k road miles and 4 half hr sessions at Silverstone.
Like you, I use my car on the road all year as well as on track. So it matters that the brakes work well under road conditions without squealing, and without wearing the discs out prematurely. I will be driving in a convoy of over 100 TVRs around the Peak District next Saturday, and I won’t be very welcome if my brakes are stupidly noisy. My Hawk front/ DS2500 rear set up behaved perfectly going the scenic route to the farm shop this morning. Erin Dawes, to whom I am related by marriage, is making sausages this morning for this afternoon’s barbecue, and needed essential supplies.
Ahbefive said:
E-bmw said:
LondonTom said:
Another shout for RS29's and RS19's (no 29's available for the rear on an e30). I had been using DS3000's, however, the longevity of the RS29's far outweigh the difference in cost.
100% agree with that one.£115 (DS2500) for 1 day versus £230 for 1 year with enough meat to keep as a spare set.
Black_S3 said:
What are you doing or what are you driving if you can get that difference out of a set of pads.... The other basic science of it is a higher friction pad wears any disc faster so claiming more aggressive pads wont go through discs quicker is clearly the usual internet bks that gets people over buying. If you did manage to get through a set of yellow stuff in a day I guess you melted 2-3 sets of tyres the same day.
As I said in my post e36 328.ks that gets people over buying. If you did manage to get through a set of yellow stuff in a day I guess you melted 2-3 sets of tyres the same day.As others have said after this, that about discs isn't correct, many high-friction pads are significantly better on discs.
No, no significant tyre wear at all, just plasticine pads that can't take sustained heavy braking over many laps on track.
Ahbefive said:
DS2500s 1 day? I have managed 2 full days at Donington, A full day at Bedford, 2 Sessions at brand hatch , 2 sessions at Castle Combe several days at Santa Pod, 2k road miles and 7 laps of the Nurburgring on mine and they still had at least 40% left when I bought another set to replace them.
No problem, you drive different to me, drive a different car to me so un-surprisingly experienced different wear to me.Gassing Station | Track Days | Top of Page | What's New | My Stuff