EV Charging: On a council Estate.
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This might come across as bit of a silly question;
My Dad’s house is private property, end terrace on a typical ‘60’s council estate. There is a public footpath past the front & end of his property.
His car is parked in a parking area, which obviously is still council owned.
If he did want to go for an EV, which he has half heartedly spoken about... how would he charge it.
It’s only theoretical... as he tows a caravan.
As discussed with my young Daughter... she says that you would need off road parking to have a charger installed.
Bit of an issue there...& we wouldn’t be the only ones caught out
My Dad’s house is private property, end terrace on a typical ‘60’s council estate. There is a public footpath past the front & end of his property.
His car is parked in a parking area, which obviously is still council owned.
If he did want to go for an EV, which he has half heartedly spoken about... how would he charge it.
It’s only theoretical... as he tows a caravan.
As discussed with my young Daughter... she says that you would need off road parking to have a charger installed.
Bit of an issue there...& we wouldn’t be the only ones caught out
Edited by Milkyway on Tuesday 28th June 10:55
Milkyway said:
My Dad’s house is private property, but is an ex council house on a typical ‘60’s estate.
There is a public footpath past his house to where his car is parked, which obviously is still council property.
If he did want to go for an EV, which he has half heartedly spoken about... how would he charge it.
It’s only theoretical... as he tows a caravan.
Some councils apparently allow charger cables across pavements etc, so long as fed through cable ramps to protect them.There is a public footpath past his house to where his car is parked, which obviously is still council property.
If he did want to go for an EV, which he has half heartedly spoken about... how would he charge it.
It’s only theoretical... as he tows a caravan.
Edited by Milkyway on Monday 27th June 23:48
But the realistic answer is, he has to wait, because as yet there is no roadmap of how to introduce street charging for cars in areas with limited on property parking. It will happen, it kind of has to happen because the people that live in such areas currently have cars and there will be an uproar if come 2035 it's impossible to buy a car without needing to charge it, and around 30% of households in the UK can't do that on their own property.
I think it's highly likely that there will be schemes to install such chargers long before we actually get to the ban. In the meantime, it's just another aspect of having to make compromises if you buy a house that is affordable, but doesn't have luxuries such as off street parking, or a handy detached double garage etc.. Everyone that does have those things has paid extra to have them, so they will find adopting EV earlier, easier.
For what it's worth I do think it's a bit out of order that people are being worried by the impending ICE bans ahead of any sort of plan as to how they're supposed to carry on running a car in the future. But that's the political system we have... And it is a long way off, pressure will mount for a solution and I know that already firms are proposing solutions to local authorities.
Thankfully for him... I can’t envisage him converting to EV at his age.
Theoretically;
Just in his row & the neighbours opposite equals seven houses, currently a total of eight cars would need charging. They would all be in the same predicament & all parked in the same confined area.
They are good family homes, so that would increase when any of the children get their own cars in the future.
Theoretically;
Just in his row & the neighbours opposite equals seven houses, currently a total of eight cars would need charging. They would all be in the same predicament & all parked in the same confined area.
They are good family homes, so that would increase when any of the children get their own cars in the future.
Edited by Milkyway on Tuesday 28th June 00:51
Milkyway said:
Thankfully for him... I can’t envisage him converting to EV at his age.
Theoretically;
Just in his row & the neighbours opposite equals seven houses, currently a total of eight cars would need charging. They would all be in the same predicament & all parked in the same confined area.
They are good family homes, so that would increase when any of the children get their own cars in the future.
Like I said, in such situations there will be some form of on street charging at some point. With the right chargers you'd need less than you'd think and it would be very simple to offer reduced price charging for those that pre-book chargecl sessions.Theoretically;
Just in his row & the neighbours opposite equals seven houses, currently a total of eight cars would need charging. They would all be in the same predicament & all parked in the same confined area.
They are good family homes, so that would increase when any of the children get their own cars in the future.
Edited by Milkyway on Tuesday 28th June 00:51
You're asking an unanswerable question because no one knows exactly what the final solution will be. It's just plain common sense that 30% of the UK's households will not be entirely ignored and given no way to top-up new cars post 2035. Imagine the outrage.
it might be worth sending a quick email to the council or the local highways agency - depending on who controls the property etc.
they might be able to install one for you. if nothing else they might be able to install a public charge point where he can charge and then move it to a normal spot
they might be able to install one for you. if nothing else they might be able to install a public charge point where he can charge and then move it to a normal spot
TheDeuce said:
Like I said, in such situations there will be some form of on street charging at some point. With the right chargers you'd need less than you'd think and it would be very simple to offer reduced price charging for those that pre-book chargecl sessions.
You're asking an unanswerable question because no one knows exactly what the final solution will be. It's just plain common sense that 30% of the UK's households will not be entirely ignored and given no way to top-up new cars post 2035. Imagine the outrage.
There isn’t a final solution, it’s going to be utter chaos in places with restricted parking and charging. I’ve seen the first example in the last week near me in London with two EV drivers having a screaming match at each other. Clearly one had parked on a lamp post charger, and the car was charged. The other wanted charge, but the first car had nowhere else to park, so wouldn’t move. You're asking an unanswerable question because no one knows exactly what the final solution will be. It's just plain common sense that 30% of the UK's households will not be entirely ignored and given no way to top-up new cars post 2035. Imagine the outrage.
This is going to require a level of co-operation that has eluded the human race over the last few thousand years.
rxe said:
TheDeuce said:
Like I said, in such situations there will be some form of on street charging at some point. With the right chargers you'd need less than you'd think and it would be very simple to offer reduced price charging for those that pre-book chargecl sessions.
You're asking an unanswerable question because no one knows exactly what the final solution will be. It's just plain common sense that 30% of the UK's households will not be entirely ignored and given no way to top-up new cars post 2035. Imagine the outrage.
There isn’t a final solution, it’s going to be utter chaos in places with restricted parking and charging. I’ve seen the first example in the last week near me in London with two EV drivers having a screaming match at each other. Clearly one had parked on a lamp post charger, and the car was charged. The other wanted charge, but the first car had nowhere else to park, so wouldn’t move. You're asking an unanswerable question because no one knows exactly what the final solution will be. It's just plain common sense that 30% of the UK's households will not be entirely ignored and given no way to top-up new cars post 2035. Imagine the outrage.
This is going to require a level of co-operation that has eluded the human race over the last few thousand years.
There's no problem sorting out fair usage of public chargers/charge spaces via an app, it just hasn't happened yet.
I think the problems need to start to apply the pressure for solutions to be found.
Combination of:
- Kerbside charging through pavement channels from private chargers and kerbside charging provided by councils/business in designated bays (7kW/32A)
- Community charging points in car parks (7kW-22kW)
- Rapid charging hubs at community and commercial facilities (50-250kW) charging.
Most EVs being sold today have a 50kWh battery and a range from 120-300 miles. So most people won't be requiring a daily charge, but once or twice a week will meet majority of their needs.
- Kerbside charging through pavement channels from private chargers and kerbside charging provided by councils/business in designated bays (7kW/32A)
- Community charging points in car parks (7kW-22kW)
- Rapid charging hubs at community and commercial facilities (50-250kW) charging.
Most EVs being sold today have a 50kWh battery and a range from 120-300 miles. So most people won't be requiring a daily charge, but once or twice a week will meet majority of their needs.
This is a common problem. Houses without facility to charge at home are going to be worth a lot less in 10 years time, due to it costing the owner thousands of pounds a year per vehicle to charge on public chargers, or being reliant on work for charging.
He can either wait to see if the government offers a solution, unlikely with the current bunch but maybe closer to the 2030 cut-off for fossil sales something half hearted might be done. Or he can sell up while people aren't really thinking about this.
He can either wait to see if the government offers a solution, unlikely with the current bunch but maybe closer to the 2030 cut-off for fossil sales something half hearted might be done. Or he can sell up while people aren't really thinking about this.
TheDeuce said:
I've said I believe there will be a solution for most, and I've said why. The fact there isn't one today and you saw two people arguing isn't really relevant.
There's no problem sorting out fair usage of public chargers/charge spaces via an app, it just hasn't happened yet.
I think the problems need to start to apply the pressure for solutions to be found.
Of course it's relevant; people murder each other just over parking a car let alone over access to the ability to fuel it.There's no problem sorting out fair usage of public chargers/charge spaces via an app, it just hasn't happened yet.
I think the problems need to start to apply the pressure for solutions to be found.
You clearly belong to the generation that thinks millenia of social conditioning can be swept aside just by downloading an app onto a phone. An attitude which, by the way, is extremely condescending and ignores the exclusion of those who don't use apps.
Mr Pointy said:
Of course it's relevant; people murder each other just over parking a car let alone over access to the ability to fuel it.
You clearly belong to the generation that thinks millenia of social conditioning can be swept aside just by downloading an app onto a phone. An attitude which, by the way, is extremely condescending and ignores the exclusion of those who don't use apps.
No one has so far made any serious effort to sort out fair use of street parking, so of course people all have their own ideas which leads to arguments. You clearly belong to the generation that thinks millenia of social conditioning can be swept aside just by downloading an app onto a phone. An attitude which, by the way, is extremely condescending and ignores the exclusion of those who don't use apps.
Now, the requirement to charge cars will, I expect, force the development of a fair usage policy - regardless of how it's operated, an app is just one example.
My Dad’s area;
It’s a dead end close road, feeding fifty six FAMILY sized houses. There are five off road parking areas which also contain the ‘council garages’.
It can get a bit manic sometimes, resulting in residents & visitors having to park on the actual road...but that’s another story.
It’s a dead end close road, feeding fifty six FAMILY sized houses. There are five off road parking areas which also contain the ‘council garages’.
It can get a bit manic sometimes, resulting in residents & visitors having to park on the actual road...but that’s another story.
Edited by Milkyway on Tuesday 28th June 11:17
Evanivitch said:
I saw that on the other thread and though interesting, I see a bit of a safety issue.Bringing the cable out to the edge of the kerb creates a slice or cut point.
The cable won't be armoured, and can be carrying potentially (no pun) 400V.
Usually the car won't be moved whilst chargimng, but it is easy to see how in a real world case, a vehicle brushing against the kerb could slice the cable.
The other method where it was just a cable slot that the cable enetered and exited within the footway seemed much better to me.
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