Health and safety Nazis!
Discussion
santona1937 said:
To all those folks complaining about HSE. Will you sign a contract releasing you employer from ANY responsibility for any accident or injury that may occur to you at work? And agree that under no conditions will you make a claim for any such injury?
Agree.I used to be anti h+s, thought it was all cobblers and useless, until I was injured at work.
A big YES! however that is not an option, I have been working safely for 40 odd years!
santona1937 said:
To all those folks complaining about HSE. Will you sign a contract releasing you employer from ANY responsibility for any accident or injury that may occur to you at work? And agree that under no conditions will you make a claim for any such injury?
The problem with any law and/or guidance is that people will read into it what they want and lack of knowledge or understanding is what leads people to ban certain activities or processes.
Yes some organisations will go over the top but the problem in the UK is the litigious society that we live in so sadly things have to be belt and braces or we end up paying for it in great insurance premiums.
As already mentioned, lack of safety is ok until you have an accident and then you understand the implications and the personal loss an accident can cause, as can be demonstrated in this clip:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bzadIyKspc4
Yes some organisations will go over the top but the problem in the UK is the litigious society that we live in so sadly things have to be belt and braces or we end up paying for it in great insurance premiums.
As already mentioned, lack of safety is ok until you have an accident and then you understand the implications and the personal loss an accident can cause, as can be demonstrated in this clip:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bzadIyKspc4
lewes said:
The problem with any law and/or guidance is that people will read into it what they want and lack of knowledge or understanding is what leads people to ban certain activities or processes.
Yes some organisations will go over the top but the problem in the UK is the litigious society that we live in so sadly things have to be belt and braces or we end up paying for it in great insurance premiums.
As already mentioned, lack of safety is ok until you have an accident and then you understand the implications and the personal loss an accident can cause, as can be demonstrated in this clip:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bzadIyKspc4
That nobber knew exactly what he was doing, he gave a talk at work and admitted that he knew it wasn't right but did it anyway. Yes some organisations will go over the top but the problem in the UK is the litigious society that we live in so sadly things have to be belt and braces or we end up paying for it in great insurance premiums.
As already mentioned, lack of safety is ok until you have an accident and then you understand the implications and the personal loss an accident can cause, as can be demonstrated in this clip:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bzadIyKspc4
matlee said:
Most of my work is in the retail refurb sector and the company im contracting to at the moment (and many of the other big companies) have a 'Full PPE to be worn at all times' policy which is gloves, glasses, toe caps, hi viz and helmets.
There are times where you feel quite ridiculous especially on the live stores during the night shift where i could be in the baked bean aisle setting something out with a very dangerous permanent marker pen and a set of drawings fully PPE'd up right next to a bean stacker whos has got zero PPE on.
Step ladders are banned, no rigger boots, a ladder permit system in place, 2 set of hot works permits to fill out even for one small cut with a recip saw, god knows how many risk assessments and method statements....the list goes on and on and all the while im still expected to make sure the work is done on time!
There was one particular retailer i done work for who brought in a PPE policy of gloves, glassed, hi viz, boots and helmet but had to be said retailer issued PPE. Imagine the looks on the contractors faces when i had to tell them you cant come on site with that helmet because its the wrong colour or you cant come on site because your glasses are the wrong style. I s
t you not.
Orange branded supermarket? I work as a contractor for them and the worst bit was they recently slightly changed the design on the PPE meaning buying everything over again!There are times where you feel quite ridiculous especially on the live stores during the night shift where i could be in the baked bean aisle setting something out with a very dangerous permanent marker pen and a set of drawings fully PPE'd up right next to a bean stacker whos has got zero PPE on.
Step ladders are banned, no rigger boots, a ladder permit system in place, 2 set of hot works permits to fill out even for one small cut with a recip saw, god knows how many risk assessments and method statements....the list goes on and on and all the while im still expected to make sure the work is done on time!
There was one particular retailer i done work for who brought in a PPE policy of gloves, glassed, hi viz, boots and helmet but had to be said retailer issued PPE. Imagine the looks on the contractors faces when i had to tell them you cant come on site with that helmet because its the wrong colour or you cant come on site because your glasses are the wrong style. I s
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