Difficulty recruiting, suggestions?

Difficulty recruiting, suggestions?

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CaptainSlow

13,179 posts

212 months

Friday 15th September 2017
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StevieBee said:
This is a part of the whole Brexit thing that many people fail to grasp.

A great many of these lower paid roles are taken by those from low income EU countries willing to come and work here at a wage less than the indigenous population. Free-movement allows and supports this.

Restrict that, even by a small amount, and vacancies will go unfilled and many of these are critical to the general operation of society.
Exactly, schools children used to used to starve to death prior to the Eastern Europeans joining in 2004.
I remember surviving the great St Mary's Semolina Famine of 1986 by eating one section of my difficultly sourced Trio bar per day.




CaptainSlow

13,179 posts

212 months

Friday 15th September 2017
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21TonyK said:
Why won't someone work for £10.80 an hour plus local authority pension and job security that fits around shcool times and holidays is more accurate.
What's the accrual rate of the pension? 60ths? So for every year worked the pension increases by £133..less tax. Job security in the worst job going? Can you pm me an application form please.

Dgr90

168 posts

132 months

Friday 15th September 2017
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A friend works in a similar job (From what I can tell from your post) and I know that he is on at least 18k. He also knows that he could earn more if he switches jobs but he likes the people where he is. In my opinion, you are offering dinner lady wages, not chef wages.

Wobbegong

15,077 posts

169 months

Friday 15th September 2017
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StevieBee said:
This is a part of the whole Brexit thing that many people fail to grasp.

A great many of these lower paid roles are taken by those from low income EU countries willing to come and work here at a wage less than the indigenous population. Free-movement allows and supports this.

Restrict that, even by a small amount, and vacancies will go unfilled and many of these are critical to the general operation of society.
Sounds close to slave labour.

ATG

20,575 posts

272 months

Friday 15th September 2017
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Wobbegong said:
Sounds close to slave labour.
It was entirely voluntary. The jobs were offered, people applied. It's not like slave labour at all.

AshBurrows

2,552 posts

162 months

Friday 15th September 2017
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anonymous said:
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This. It's absolutely outrageous.

CaptainSlow

13,179 posts

212 months

Friday 15th September 2017
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Wobbegong said:
StevieBee said:
This is a part of the whole Brexit thing that many people fail to grasp.

A great many of these lower paid roles are taken by those from low income EU countries willing to come and work here at a wage less than the indigenous population. Free-movement allows and supports this.

Restrict that, even by a small amount, and vacancies will go unfilled and many of these are critical to the general operation of society.
Sounds close to slave labour.
Welcome to the EU

Countdown

39,864 posts

196 months

Friday 15th September 2017
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CaptainSlow said:
Wobbegong said:
StevieBee said:
This is a part of the whole Brexit thing that many people fail to grasp.

A great many of these lower paid roles are taken by those from low income EU countries willing to come and work here at a wage less than the indigenous population. Free-movement allows and supports this.

Restrict that, even by a small amount, and vacancies will go unfilled and many of these are critical to the general operation of society.
Sounds close to slave labour.
Welcome to the EU
Indeed. What we need is a limited supply of available labour so that wages can be increased to reasonable standards. A bit like Tube drivers......oh wait, sorry!

21TonyK

Original Poster:

11,520 posts

209 months

Friday 15th September 2017
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Ok, thanks for those who actually read and understood my post.

I'll leave you guys to it now.

CaptainSlow

13,179 posts

212 months

Friday 15th September 2017
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Countdown said:
CaptainSlow said:
Wobbegong said:
StevieBee said:
This is a part of the whole Brexit thing that many people fail to grasp.

A great many of these lower paid roles are taken by those from low income EU countries willing to come and work here at a wage less than the indigenous population. Free-movement allows and supports this.

Restrict that, even by a small amount, and vacancies will go unfilled and many of these are critical to the general operation of society.
Sounds close to slave labour.
Welcome to the EU
Indeed. What we need is a limited supply of available labour so that wages can be increased to reasonable standards. A bit like Tube drivers......oh wait, sorry!
No, what we need is the ability to control the amount of labour coming into the country, otherwise, we may suffer a glut of unskilled labour causing significant wage deflation for those that can't be "something important" in the city and the rest of us can afford to buy a house somewhere near where we grew up and be able to get from junction 15 to junction 16 on the M25 in less than an hour.

SydneyBridge

8,592 posts

158 months

Friday 15th September 2017
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ask the school kids

there must be a mother on maternity leave or something, who the hours (and term time only) would suit, to return to work
perfect job for a parent who has the required cooking skills- not necessarily qualifications, but skills...

21TonyK

Original Poster:

11,520 posts

209 months

Friday 15th September 2017
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James_B said:
I can think of literally no-one that I know who'd want to do that.
And being realistic, seriously, so you known anyone who is looking for 19 hours part time work?


21TonyK

Original Poster:

11,520 posts

209 months

Friday 15th September 2017
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SydneyBridge said:
ask the school kids

there must be a mother on maternity leave or something, who the hours (and term time only) would suit, to return to work
perfect job for a parent who has the required cooking skills- not necessarily qualifications, but skills...
For numerous reasons, not an option unfortunately.

We put it in the school newsletter but that has a minimal readership.

I'm half contemplating running a recruitment drive at parents evening!

oilbethere

908 posts

81 months

Friday 15th September 2017
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Have you contacted your local college to see if anyone completing a food course would consider it?

bearman68

4,652 posts

132 months

Friday 15th September 2017
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I think you're paying too little as well.

Exaggerate to demonstrate. If you were offering 80k a year, how many applicants do you think you would get. (Exactly!)

55palfers

5,909 posts

164 months

Friday 15th September 2017
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I suspect you can make £8k washing cars

brickwall

5,250 posts

210 months

Friday 15th September 2017
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It's quite simple - you are not offering enough money. You are wanting a skilled chef for £10 an hour, offering only enough hours that they'll make £8k per year.

Offer £50 per hour, then £30, then £15. See how many applications you get, and how good they are.

James_B

12,642 posts

257 months

Friday 15th September 2017
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brickwall said:
It's quite simple - you are not offering enough money. You are wanting a skilled chef for £10 an hour, offering only enough hours that they'll make £8k per year.

Offer £50 per hour, then £30, then £15. See how many applications you get, and how good they are.
I think everyone's wasting their time here. The OP has been told, repeatedly, why no-one with the skills will work for so little, but they seem to know better.

You have to wonder, why ask the question if you just plan to get pissy when politely given the answer.

jaimiep

27 posts

129 months

Friday 15th September 2017
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Op you need to outsource the whole lot to get access to a nutritionist, development chef etc or As others have said pay far more. There is a reason why many LAs use big providers who ultimately are paying a high quality chef £40k to oversee several schools and have all the support functions for menu development.

768

13,677 posts

96 months

Friday 15th September 2017
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21TonyK said:
James_B said:
I can think of literally no-one that I know who'd want to do that.
And being realistic, seriously, so you known anyone who is looking for 19 hours part time work?
I know quite a few, all mothers. My wife works about that and even the NHS scrape together over £20k to pay her (after the pro rata calculation, excluding her pension).

I had a feeling from the thread title the answer was likely to be pay, but seriously, it's pay.