Taking a pay cut for a move to management?
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I need some advice on what I should do.
Currently I'm a lead service tech for a global fire protection company, based in a power station. I work day to day with another tech covering maintenance and reactive etc.
I've been offered a job with another company, which would be the same basic job but progressing to a team leader, currently they have 1 tech who I would replace and they want me to expand this team and bring sub contracted work back in house.
The job is something I would like to do, I do enjoy my current role most days but some days I really do not enjoy it. I'm sure there will be progression within the current company but I don't know what or when. I want to progress into management etc.
The issue lies is with the salary, currently I earn the same figure as the other company are offiering, but then I get an additional 7-9k a year for travel to the site and the hour of overtime we do each day. I would loose this with the next company
The company I would move to would increase pay once the team leader role had come into play (6-12 months) but they couldn't tell me what the salary would be. So essentially I would be taking on more responsibly and work for what could be less money.
The 2nd companies package also isn't as good as the one I currently get in terms of pension, holiday, including all tools etc.
Should I move to this 2nd company to be able to progress setting up a team and perhaps enjoying the job more, or stay in a job I don't love but don't hate for a good amount more money?
Both basic salaries are 30k, I'm 25 no kids, want to buy a house I think.
Currently I'm a lead service tech for a global fire protection company, based in a power station. I work day to day with another tech covering maintenance and reactive etc.
I've been offered a job with another company, which would be the same basic job but progressing to a team leader, currently they have 1 tech who I would replace and they want me to expand this team and bring sub contracted work back in house.
The job is something I would like to do, I do enjoy my current role most days but some days I really do not enjoy it. I'm sure there will be progression within the current company but I don't know what or when. I want to progress into management etc.
The issue lies is with the salary, currently I earn the same figure as the other company are offiering, but then I get an additional 7-9k a year for travel to the site and the hour of overtime we do each day. I would loose this with the next company
The company I would move to would increase pay once the team leader role had come into play (6-12 months) but they couldn't tell me what the salary would be. So essentially I would be taking on more responsibly and work for what could be less money.
The 2nd companies package also isn't as good as the one I currently get in terms of pension, holiday, including all tools etc.
Should I move to this 2nd company to be able to progress setting up a team and perhaps enjoying the job more, or stay in a job I don't love but don't hate for a good amount more money?
Both basic salaries are 30k, I'm 25 no kids, want to buy a house I think.
t.I've done exactly this in the last 4 years. I was in a role with good salary progression but professional progression was blocked for me, I left for a government role that paid initially more but was capped at less than I would earn if I'd stayed at my first job. It wasn't for me but it opened a lot of doors. I then took a £7k drop to go back into the nhs, but this time as a manager (my skills are very specific to my field and aren't really recognised outside of my field). That gave me the solid base to then apply for and get a job at the level I feel I should be working at with appropriate salary to match.
It was easier for me as my old role never closed behind me, I could always go back to clinical practice and earn enough to live comfortably, but I couldn't move beyond the skill point I reached 10 years ago.
It was easier for me as my old role never closed behind me, I could always go back to clinical practice and earn enough to live comfortably, but I couldn't move beyond the skill point I reached 10 years ago.
Sounds waffly to me. Tell me this: they want someone to come in and build a team and THEN think about a possible as yet undisclosed pay rise. Why on earth would they pay you more to do the job you're already doing?
If they offered a contract of say "30k for an initial 12 month set up period followed by salary increase to 40k (or promotion)" then that would be fair. In WRITING.
If they offered a contract of say "30k for an initial 12 month set up period followed by salary increase to 40k (or promotion)" then that would be fair. In WRITING.
crofty1984 said:
Sounds waffly to me. Tell me this: they want someone to come in and build a team and THEN think about a possible as yet undisclosed pay rise. Why on earth would they pay you more to do the job you're already doing?
If they offered a contract of say "30k for an initial 12 month set up period followed by salary increase to 40k (or promotion)" then that would be fair. In WRITING.
Yes that's what worried me,If they offered a contract of say "30k for an initial 12 month set up period followed by salary increase to 40k (or promotion)" then that would be fair. In WRITING.
They said it would begin as the maintenance role to get them back on track with their PPM schedule, and then from there, hopefully within 6-12 months be able to start growing the team with the contracts managers to bring it back in house as it's currently subbed out, they said there would be a payrise at that point as well as the change from van to car ( the car being in writing)
Edited by Nickbrapp on Wednesday 27th September 13:03
No to much uncertainty, I think realistically they may only pay around 2k more a year for the team leaders postion.
If you want to progress into management, I would just apply for management roles. If you come accross well the interview and show potential, a company will give you the opportunity.
If you want to progress into management, I would just apply for management roles. If you come accross well the interview and show potential, a company will give you the opportunity.
Agree with much of the above posters. Make the decision based on what you KNOW
Assume the base salary they are giving you is the permanent salary-- unless you get this in writing
Look at what skills you will be learning in the new job
Look at additional benefits
If it weighs up, take it.
I wouldn't gamble on a pay rise that may or may never come, however if the job is giving you the growth and development you need in skills, then it puts you in a better position for your next job. Can you swallow the pay cut?
Assume the base salary they are giving you is the permanent salary-- unless you get this in writing
Look at what skills you will be learning in the new job
Look at additional benefits
If it weighs up, take it.
I wouldn't gamble on a pay rise that may or may never come, however if the job is giving you the growth and development you need in skills, then it puts you in a better position for your next job. Can you swallow the pay cut?
silent ninja said:
Agree with much of the above posters. Make the decision based on what you KNOW
Assume the base salary they are giving you is the permanent salary-- unless you get this in writing
Look at what skills you will be learning in the new job
Look at additional benefits
If it weighs up, take it.
I wouldn't gamble on a pay rise that may or may never come, however if the job is giving you the growth and development you need in skills, then it puts you in a better position for your next job. Can you swallow the pay cut?
Well the standard pay makes a comftable life for me really, everything I want, the current job I take home a extra £600-1000 per month which I kind of see as a bonus, currently I'm just using it to pay off credit cards and saving it, it's nice to have, but would I miss it in he long run? Hopefully they would increase my wage by about 5-7k when I was a team leader Assume the base salary they are giving you is the permanent salary-- unless you get this in writing
Look at what skills you will be learning in the new job
Look at additional benefits
If it weighs up, take it.
I wouldn't gamble on a pay rise that may or may never come, however if the job is giving you the growth and development you need in skills, then it puts you in a better position for your next job. Can you swallow the pay cut?
John Laverick said:
Why not ask for a promotion at your current place? It won't do any harm and shows incentive / desire to progress.
I'm a part of the staff development program but it's a long term thing, the main route is into sales which is not what I want to do. Most of the management is done from a midlands office. Although it's a business that owns many other businesses so it may be that I can transfer to another company I'll echo some of the comments here. I went from an IT applications role into management last year. I took the job as I thought it was what I wanted and I'd been working towards being the IT Manager here for a few years. I got a 19% pay rise and a healthy bonus scheme on top. Over a year later, I wished I had the simple life of my previous job despite the lower money . I could go home and not think about work until 8:30am the next day rather than waking up at 3am and struggling to get back to sleep. Dealing with people problems and the cr@p that comes with that is not all it's cracked up to be. Add functional head responsibilities, no thanks.
I'd definitely not make the jump for less money. We are all different however and it may be good for you. You have to make your choices but don't go into management blind. I manage a team of IT professionals who get paid well and want to be here. God knows how my better half manages a huge team of call centre workers who don't want to be there and don't get paid good money. Anyway, I digress, good luck OP and hope whatever decision you make works out for you.
I'd definitely not make the jump for less money. We are all different however and it may be good for you. You have to make your choices but don't go into management blind. I manage a team of IT professionals who get paid well and want to be here. God knows how my better half manages a huge team of call centre workers who don't want to be there and don't get paid good money. Anyway, I digress, good luck OP and hope whatever decision you make works out for you.
"Team Leader" sounds like a carrot being dangled to make you think you are on your merry way up the ladder. At best, it means you are genuinely responsible for more yet being paid less.
It's a common thing particularly in the UK. Save on salaries by giving people fancy job titles that sound good on Facebook and look nicer on a business card to dish to friends down the pub. Add a few special rewards like a car allowance and a mobile phone and you can save a packet.
If team leader is a genuine step to management at the new place, and comes with more responsibility than the existing role, why are they only matching your salary? (and in net terms reducing it given presumably you will still have some travel and still have some overtime, but in this "management" role be expected to do these without additional pay)
It's a common thing particularly in the UK. Save on salaries by giving people fancy job titles that sound good on Facebook and look nicer on a business card to dish to friends down the pub. Add a few special rewards like a car allowance and a mobile phone and you can save a packet.
If team leader is a genuine step to management at the new place, and comes with more responsibility than the existing role, why are they only matching your salary? (and in net terms reducing it given presumably you will still have some travel and still have some overtime, but in this "management" role be expected to do these without additional pay)
Shnozz said:
"Team Leader" sounds like a carrot being dangled to make you think you are on your merry way up the ladder. At best, it means you are genuinely responsible for more yet being paid less.
It's a common thing particularly in the UK. Save on salaries by giving people fancy job titles that sound good on Facebook and look nicer on a business card to dish to friends down the pub. Add a few special rewards like a car allowance and a mobile phone and you can save a packet.
If team leader is a genuine step to management at the new place, and comes with more responsibility than the existing role, why are they only matching your salary? (and in net terms reducing it given presumably you will still have some travel and still have some overtime, but in this "management" role be expected to do these without additional pay)
Well, at first it wouldn't be stepping straight into management, it would be a engineer role for around 6 months to get a feel for the contracts and what can be brought back in house, after that it would be bringing in new guys to increase the amount of maintenance they can do in house. This is when the pay would increase, but I don't think it would be the 7-10k I would be loosing now.It's a common thing particularly in the UK. Save on salaries by giving people fancy job titles that sound good on Facebook and look nicer on a business card to dish to friends down the pub. Add a few special rewards like a car allowance and a mobile phone and you can save a packet.
If team leader is a genuine step to management at the new place, and comes with more responsibility than the existing role, why are they only matching your salary? (and in net terms reducing it given presumably you will still have some travel and still have some overtime, but in this "management" role be expected to do these without additional pay)
Having thought about it I don't think it's worth it
I used to work in the fire and security industry too. If you are an engineer then the next step up is Team Leader/Service Manager/Contracts Manager. There are a lot of different companies out there and they all structure the salary in different ways. Some companies pay higher than others of course for the same job and there may be some overlap. Where I used to work some of the 'best' engineers could earn as much if not more than their manager who would be the Service Manager.
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