Promised pay rise ...

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chriz1

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654 posts

214 months

Wednesday 18th October 2017
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Just looking for some advice really it’s on behalf on my Mrs she works as a store manager for well known high street shop
She has been doing the job for over 4 years and the store is doing well and profit increases year on year.
So shows that she’s doing well etc ..
she doesn’t even have a deputy and she has taking the role on to save the store more money.
I know this doesn’t warrant a pay rise just giving some background,
anyway after a few years of promising and putting together a business plan to show her store can afford her increase as they base the wages on how much each store takes etc..
another local store’s line manager has had an increase above what that store allows (hope I make sense)
So chasing her line manager she agreed and gave the £3k rise signed a change of details form and all was good and rosey.
Until today where she was informed that she will only now only be getting a £1k rise which was changed by HR.
Now i would have thought if the line manager had agreed and signed a document off from the 10th October 2017 she would be on the £3k rise from that date it was a change of details form and the line manager also asked the regional manager if this ok and he agreed with the rise.

Does she have a case to fight and if so what’s the best way to go about this.?

Thanks

98elise

26,381 posts

160 months

Wednesday 18th October 2017
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If you can afford to take the gamble I would say... thanks for the offer, but I've decided to move on. Please accept this letter as my resignation.

I hate it when good people are screwed over.

chriz1

Original Poster:

654 posts

214 months

Thursday 19th October 2017
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I know it’s so annoying,
however we are not in a position to call their bluff

Sensei Rob

311 posts

78 months

Thursday 19th October 2017
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Unfortunately, unless the 3K agreement was in writing, they can go back on their word with no retribution. The World is full of sharks.

chriz1

Original Poster:

654 posts

214 months

Thursday 19th October 2017
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Would a change of details formed signed and dated showing the increase not suffice?

SystemParanoia

14,343 posts

197 months

Thursday 19th October 2017
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time to get some interviews on the go.
jump as soon as a new opportunity comes up.
and don't bother giving them notice either, just don't bother turning up the day after pay day.

they want to screw you... screw them right back.

anonymous-user

53 months

Thursday 19th October 2017
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sadly this happens a lot.

you'll find the line manager doesnt have the authority to secure the payrise and if you fight it you'll lose as a signed form isnt a change of contract or a contractual document.

as for needing a reference, most companies.now just send a reference stating start and end dates to confirm you were employed as they dont want to get sued so I wouldnt worry about that.

take the money and look for another job anyway.



chriz1

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654 posts

214 months

Thursday 19th October 2017
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Yes I think that’s the best thing to do really
Thanks everyone

anonymous-user

53 months

Thursday 19th October 2017
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Sensei Rob said:
Unfortunately, unless the 3K agreement was in writing, they can go back on their word with no retribution. The World is full of sharks.
OP, please disregard the above well intentioned but incorrect advice. There is no requirement for an agreement of this kind to be in writing. Whether there has been an agreement is a matter of evidence. Please PM me or post here the emails or other communications in which the varied pay rate was discussed.

anonymous-user

53 months

Thursday 19th October 2017
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keirik said:
sadly this happens a lot.

you'll find the line manager doesnt have the authority to secure the payrise and if you fight it you'll lose as a signed form isnt a change of contract or a contractual document.

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Again, OP, please disregard this stuff. People here mean well but they tend to know Jack about the law of contract.

I am not saying that your wife has or does not have a claim, because at present I lack the information to express a view on this, but the law does not operate on the basis of magic documents or, in most fields, recondite technicalities. In some circumstances filling in a form would evidence an agreement. All depends on the circumstances.

4x4Tyke

6,506 posts

131 months

Thursday 19th October 2017
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You need to know, consider a few things.

What does your wife's line Manager say?
Is the other store manager male of female?
Did the other manager start on less, the same or more.

Enquire with HR about the policy for pay-rises, is there any direct evidence based link with shop revenue; find out about the grievance procedure.

This is the reason people need to be in Unions, they are much better placed to help you that us.


Edited by 4x4Tyke on Thursday 19th October 09:44

Gargamel

14,958 posts

260 months

Thursday 19th October 2017
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OP,

What might be an interesting angle, and one that would have most HR departments taking notice, is if the other store manager who had a pay increase is a man.

Don't have to be too dramatic about it, but just subtly ask the question.

However I see the other side of this all the time, line manager promise things to employees, that are NOT in the power to deliver. It is very frustrating as it puts the HR team on a position where we either need to say no to stuff, or find the budget from other staff/positions.


4x4Tyke

6,506 posts

131 months

Thursday 19th October 2017
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Gargamel said:
Don't have to be too dramatic about it, but just subtly ask the question.
+1

Pointed questioning of HR, refrain from accusations or threats.


chriz1

Original Poster:

654 posts

214 months

Thursday 19th October 2017
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The other manager is a female also

Gargamel

14,958 posts

260 months

Thursday 19th October 2017
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chriz1 said:
The other manager is a female also
ah.

I still think it is worth asking what is the difference between the too cases. Usually HR (I work in HR) work pretty hard to ensure consistency where possible. Precisely to avoid situations like this.


cbmotorsport

3,065 posts

117 months

Thursday 19th October 2017
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This happened to my wife when she worked in procurement for a major UK supermarket. They promised her promotion and pay rise, then a new MD came in and put a freeze on all pay rises and promotions. They had gone so far down the road with her promotion that it was a real kick in the teeth. She appealed to HR, who wouldn't budge, so she looked around and got another job, and is even happier. They irony of the situation is that they are trying to recruit her back into the business as she's very good at her job, she'd never have left if they'd treated her well.


chriz1

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654 posts

214 months

Thursday 19th October 2017
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Yeah they don’t half take the piss these large companies

anonymous-user

53 months

Thursday 19th October 2017
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OP, bung me the details of the discussions and I can give you a view on whether your wife can press for the larger pay rise.

Flooble

5,565 posts

99 months

Thursday 19th October 2017
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I love it when Breadavan pops up on these threads, it's so great to have someone qualified and experienced standing up for people who would otherwise either get steamrollered by the corporation or dig themselves a hole based on well-meaning but incorrect advice.

anonymous-user

53 months

Thursday 19th October 2017
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I only do it to keep the thread running until someone says "post photos of the Missus". At that point my work is done and I bugger off.