Christmas Bonus
Discussion
Hi Guys,
Looking for your advice here.........
Over the last 5 years we have been given a Christmas bonus by the company which was 8 days of your salary (minus any sick days you have) and this year instead of giving us a Christmas bonus they have removed it as they need to pay our huge 1% pension contribution. (legal requirement)
I imagine paying people a Christmas bonus based on sick leave was illegal in the first place but do I have any grounds to request my Christmas bonus this year? I presume they will say that the bonus is discretionary as it was removed from our pay reviews at the start of the year.
Cheers
Looking for your advice here.........
Over the last 5 years we have been given a Christmas bonus by the company which was 8 days of your salary (minus any sick days you have) and this year instead of giving us a Christmas bonus they have removed it as they need to pay our huge 1% pension contribution. (legal requirement)
I imagine paying people a Christmas bonus based on sick leave was illegal in the first place but do I have any grounds to request my Christmas bonus this year? I presume they will say that the bonus is discretionary as it was removed from our pay reviews at the start of the year.
Cheers
Its effected productivity across the company, 4 people where ill yesterday which is a first. I wouldn't mind but the 1% pension contributions come nowhere near the value of the Christmas bonus. The company is doing itself no favours in the long run.
Ultimately its changed peoples mindsets, once I was careful with my expenses. Now they are going through the roof and they wonder why!
Ultimately its changed peoples mindsets, once I was careful with my expenses. Now they are going through the roof and they wonder why!
I think that's just retaliation and generally comes from a f
k you place which in the end will disgruntle people and they'll leave or be less involved.
If you give a st, it's a case of 'oh well' really. Look forward to what else the job has.
If you were just hanging on for the 8 days extra pay, and it's been taken away, perhaps time to reconsider whether you're in the right job.
k you place which in the end will disgruntle people and they'll leave or be less involved. If you give a s
t, it's a case of 'oh well' really. Look forward to what else the job has. If you were just hanging on for the 8 days extra pay, and it's been taken away, perhaps time to reconsider whether you're in the right job.
Marcellus said:
One of the reasons why I never went with "the christmas bonus is £x based on y".
If you want a performance/attendance bonus then have one but don't have a "discretionary christmas bonus which everyone knows what it's based on"
Yeah, I NEVER factor a bonus into a package on offer, no matter what the prospective employer or recruitment consultant says, it's just that a "bonus"!If you want a performance/attendance bonus then have one but don't have a "discretionary christmas bonus which everyone knows what it's based on"
I know a lot of people get agitated about what percentage they'll get of their 'expected' bonus, but it never worries me as I don't take it into account for anything.
Obviously, if there's been a usual practice of giving N%, taking it away is going to be unpopular, but maybe the business in question is in more trouble than you're aware of?
M
marcosgt said:
Obviously, if there's been a usual practice of giving N%, taking it away is going to be unpopular, but maybe the business in question is in more trouble than you're aware of?
M
I know we aren't in trouble as I see the figures - just a lot of change across the organisation now we have a new chairman is place. The main problem is the owners are gambling with a lot of new staff to get to the next level and the old culture is no more. M
Drive staff into the ground with people working 8am-8pm as the norm for minimal salary and now the last perk has been taken away.
warnerj said:
I know we aren't in trouble as I see the figures - just a lot of change across the organisation now we have a new chairman is place. The main problem is the owners are gambling with a lot of new staff to get to the next level and the old culture is no more.
Drive staff into the ground with people working 8am-8pm as the norm for minimal salary and now the last perk has been taken away.
My guess is that you don't know all of the numbers, if you did then you'd probably been in the meeting that made the decision.Drive staff into the ground with people working 8am-8pm as the norm for minimal salary and now the last perk has been taken away.
For example; what's been the owners ROI for the past 5/10years, what targets have they given the new chairman for the next 5/10 years and what's his financial incentive to achieve them?
warnerj said:
Its effected productivity across the company, 4 people where ill yesterday which is a first. I wouldn't mind but the 1% pension contributions come nowhere near the value of the Christmas bonus. The company is doing itself no favours in the long run.
Ultimately its changed peoples mindsets, once I was careful with my expenses. Now they are going through the roof and they wonder why!
I'm guessing it's paid sick leave and not SSP only?Ultimately its changed peoples mindsets, once I was careful with my expenses. Now they are going through the roof and they wonder why!
If it is, and staff start taking sickies because they're not getting a christmas bonus the management might decide that's the next thing that needs to be cut. Same with expenses.
DeejRC said:
A Christmas bonus of 8 days of your salary? Bloody hell !!
The most I have ever received as a Christmas bonus was £20 in Argos vouchers.
Id say be sodding grateful you get anything.
This!The most I have ever received as a Christmas bonus was £20 in Argos vouchers.
Id say be sodding grateful you get anything.
- on a side note - here in Spain the general rule is that you have 14 salary payments. 1 extra in the Summer and another at Christmas. The same yearly amount but divided in 14.
I ruddy hate this time of yr, time to start thinking about the bonus.
I've 8 lads, and pretty much give a bonus every yr, but how much depends on what kind of yr we have had.
Most yrs everybody gets beer,wine,chocs, flowers for wife, presents for kids, and we also do go-karting and a curry, all that alone costs me almost 2k.
I then give a extra bit with the wages, relative to what our yr has been like, last yr we had a cracking year, so people got between £500-1500 extra, now this yr we have been a lot quieter so it will be less, I'm looking at £200-500.
But they have already started talking about it, presuming it's going to be the same, if not more than last yr, telling me what they plan to spend it on, drives me nuts.
My wife on the other hand gets £10 towards the xmas do from her company.
I've 8 lads, and pretty much give a bonus every yr, but how much depends on what kind of yr we have had.
Most yrs everybody gets beer,wine,chocs, flowers for wife, presents for kids, and we also do go-karting and a curry, all that alone costs me almost 2k.
I then give a extra bit with the wages, relative to what our yr has been like, last yr we had a cracking year, so people got between £500-1500 extra, now this yr we have been a lot quieter so it will be less, I'm looking at £200-500.
But they have already started talking about it, presuming it's going to be the same, if not more than last yr, telling me what they plan to spend it on, drives me nuts.
My wife on the other hand gets £10 towards the xmas do from her company.
We don’t get ours until a fair way after Christmas, which is a bit of a shame. For one thing, it’s a nice feeling, heading home for Christmas with some extra money, but it also means that you don’t always get your best from the staff in the new year, as they won’t take any risks or make any big decisions while a mistake could cost them so close to the announcement.
Zetec-S said:
OP, I feel your pain.
Last year my company decided it needed to keep costs down so cancelled the tradition of buying every employee a tin of sweets for Christmas. Let me tell you now, my parents were none too pleased with the lack of a present.
Last year my company decided it needed to keep costs down so cancelled the tradition of buying every employee a tin of sweets for Christmas. Let me tell you now, my parents were none too pleased with the lack of a present.
That brings back memories. Also the freebies from grateful suppliers - boxes of Whisky and various hampers.
I'll be buying my team a tin of Quality Street (each!) as is traditional. Don't sash bonuses (in my experience) tend to be factory or workshop type things rather than office-type things? That's my experience anyway.
Worked at my current company for just over a year, had my first real bonus coming up (£1-£2k depending on company performance).
Handed notice in on the day of the meeting, instantly lost it. It was inevitable but still gutting hearing my colleagues discussing their nice Christmas bonuses
Handed notice in on the day of the meeting, instantly lost it. It was inevitable but still gutting hearing my colleagues discussing their nice Christmas bonuses
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