Redundancy - Carillion
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I've a bit of experience having been made redundant personally 3 times however not quite in the same circumstances.
I have a friend who works for Carillion in a engineering / planning role with 10 years service. He was offered a slightly different job which was more appealing to him with another company prior to Christmas but turned it down as the package wasn't quite as good and he'd be giving up his tenure. Carillion obviously announced liquidation on Monday but he's had no information on what the future of his job looks like. Today by a stroke of luck the other business came back with an improved offer. He's obviously now going to accept this offer. As i'm sure most people would do he is keen to receive redundancy if possible so was wondering if anyone had any advice on what the best course of action would be?
I have a friend who works for Carillion in a engineering / planning role with 10 years service. He was offered a slightly different job which was more appealing to him with another company prior to Christmas but turned it down as the package wasn't quite as good and he'd be giving up his tenure. Carillion obviously announced liquidation on Monday but he's had no information on what the future of his job looks like. Today by a stroke of luck the other business came back with an improved offer. He's obviously now going to accept this offer. As i'm sure most people would do he is keen to receive redundancy if possible so was wondering if anyone had any advice on what the best course of action would be?
Take the offer and run!
Sure the government will/may/might come through and not let Carillion completely fail BUT while they are under the umbrella of administration you can get let go with comparatively b*gger all. I worked for Nortel for 12 years plus, once they went into administration i was let go (as were many others) in 2009 with nothing but stat redundancy whereas my contract entitled me to half a years salary. Tis easier for an employer to shirk contractual responsibilities while in administration. I was ok being early 30s at the time but there were others on my site who might have worked their all their lives and would have been due significant payouts who ended up with 5-7K of stat redundancy.
In 2017, 8 years after being made redundant i got approx 40p in the pound of what i was owed.
Sure the government will/may/might come through and not let Carillion completely fail BUT while they are under the umbrella of administration you can get let go with comparatively b*gger all. I worked for Nortel for 12 years plus, once they went into administration i was let go (as were many others) in 2009 with nothing but stat redundancy whereas my contract entitled me to half a years salary. Tis easier for an employer to shirk contractual responsibilities while in administration. I was ok being early 30s at the time but there were others on my site who might have worked their all their lives and would have been due significant payouts who ended up with 5-7K of stat redundancy.
In 2017, 8 years after being made redundant i got approx 40p in the pound of what i was owed.
Take the job. Any payout is likely to be at statutory minimums as there is no money left in the business and government will pick this up.
https://www.gov.uk/redundant-your-rights/redundanc...
https://www.gov.uk/redundant-your-rights/redundanc...
Starfighter said:
Take the job. Any payout is likely to be at statutory minimums as there is no money left in the business and government will pick this up.
https://www.gov.uk/redundant-your-rights/redundanc...
This. If he has been there 12 years he is looking at 5.5k. Is that really worth messing around a new employer for? He can probably start earlier now too so earn some of that 5.5k back https://www.gov.uk/redundant-your-rights/redundanc...
cavey76 said:
Take the offer and run!
Sure the government will/may/might come through and not let Carillion completely fail BUT while they are under the umbrella of administration you can get let go with comparatively b*gger all. I worked for Nortel for 12 years plus, once they went into administration i was let go (as were many others) in 2009 with nothing but stat redundancy whereas my contract entitled me to half a years salary. Tis easier for an employer to shirk contractual responsibilities while in administration. I was ok being early 30s at the time but there were others on my site who might have worked their all their lives and would have been due significant payouts who ended up with 5-7K of stat redundancy.
In 2017, 8 years after being made redundant i got approx 40p in the pound of what i was owed.
I worked for Nortel too at MOP. As chance would have it, I resigned in the October before they went pop, so bacame a creditor to the business for my SIP. I’ve finally, after 9 years, received most of the creditor settlements - it’ll aggregate to 21p/£... Sure the government will/may/might come through and not let Carillion completely fail BUT while they are under the umbrella of administration you can get let go with comparatively b*gger all. I worked for Nortel for 12 years plus, once they went into administration i was let go (as were many others) in 2009 with nothing but stat redundancy whereas my contract entitled me to half a years salary. Tis easier for an employer to shirk contractual responsibilities while in administration. I was ok being early 30s at the time but there were others on my site who might have worked their all their lives and would have been due significant payouts who ended up with 5-7K of stat redundancy.
In 2017, 8 years after being made redundant i got approx 40p in the pound of what i was owed.
Were you involved in the terrible MOP restaurant mass let go fiasco?
55palfers said:
Talk to your boss and ask what is going on about redundancy. Ask "is my job is safe?"
Don't let on about new job.
Accept new job and say you're able to start in a month.
Don't throw away possible £5k just yet.
I wouldn’t risk hanging on for such a paltry amount. Accept the job, resign and skip out of the door, knowing that his immediate future is secured. Don't let on about new job.
Accept new job and say you're able to start in a month.
Don't throw away possible £5k just yet.
55palfers said:
To most people £5k isn't paltry.
He may have to give 1 to 3 months notice anyway.
Redundancy when a company is downsizing and when it goes pop are two different things. Statutory notice would be 12 weeks as a week for each year worked but if they have gone bust then the contract goes with it.He may have to give 1 to 3 months notice anyway.
schmalex said:
cavey76 said:
Take the offer and run!
Sure the government will/may/might come through and not let Carillion completely fail BUT while they are under the umbrella of administration you can get let go with comparatively b*gger all. I worked for Nortel for 12 years plus, once they went into administration i was let go (as were many others) in 2009 with nothing but stat redundancy whereas my contract entitled me to half a years salary. Tis easier for an employer to shirk contractual responsibilities while in administration. I was ok being early 30s at the time but there were others on my site who might have worked their all their lives and would have been due significant payouts who ended up with 5-7K of stat redundancy.
In 2017, 8 years after being made redundant i got approx 40p in the pound of what i was owed.
I worked for Nortel too at MOP. As chance would have it, I resigned in the October before they went pop, so bacame a creditor to the business for my SIP. I’ve finally, after 9 years, received most of the creditor settlements - it’ll aggregate to 21p/£... Sure the government will/may/might come through and not let Carillion completely fail BUT while they are under the umbrella of administration you can get let go with comparatively b*gger all. I worked for Nortel for 12 years plus, once they went into administration i was let go (as were many others) in 2009 with nothing but stat redundancy whereas my contract entitled me to half a years salary. Tis easier for an employer to shirk contractual responsibilities while in administration. I was ok being early 30s at the time but there were others on my site who might have worked their all their lives and would have been due significant payouts who ended up with 5-7K of stat redundancy.
In 2017, 8 years after being made redundant i got approx 40p in the pound of what i was owed.
Were you involved in the terrible MOP restaurant mass let go fiasco?
Back to the OP. Tell your mate to get going while the going's good!
Accept and walk now.
Forgetting the redundancy payout for one moment, circa 20,000 people are about to hit the job market over the next few weeks/months. I'm guessing the new job is still in construction? Is your mate confident that somebody else won't as qualified, if not better and happy to take it now for the same or less money?
Forgetting the redundancy payout for one moment, circa 20,000 people are about to hit the job market over the next few weeks/months. I'm guessing the new job is still in construction? Is your mate confident that somebody else won't as qualified, if not better and happy to take it now for the same or less money?
Take their arm off at the shoulder. The huge uncertainty about Carillion means that unless he's actually directly employed by one of the JVs (e.g. Aspire Defence) it's going to be a long period of painful crap until they finally sack everyone or TUPE them to some other company who has bought the remains of a contract.
The Beaver King said:
Accept and walk now.
Forgetting the redundancy payout for one moment, circa 20,000 people are about to hit the job market over the next few weeks/months. I'm guessing the new job is still in construction? Is your mate confident that somebody else won't as qualified, if not better and happy to take it now for the same or less money?
Great post.Forgetting the redundancy payout for one moment, circa 20,000 people are about to hit the job market over the next few weeks/months. I'm guessing the new job is still in construction? Is your mate confident that somebody else won't as qualified, if not better and happy to take it now for the same or less money?
If he doesn't take the new opportunity, plenty of hungry folk will.
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