Hoping To Join The Army - Good Idea?

Hoping To Join The Army - Good Idea?

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matthias73

2,883 posts

150 months

Thursday 21st June 2018
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phil-sti said:
Or you can join, sail through training, join your regiment, get messed about and tret like a 4 yr old, sign off, get told your worthless so may as well stay in, leave, find a career and thrive.

But the lads you meet and the laughs you will have are some of the best you will ever have.

Edited by phil-sti on Sunday 17th June 17:32
If that genuinely happened to you then you have my condolences.

However in most of the situations I've seen, people who felt undervalued and "fked around" also had a part to play in this but prefered to blame the organisation. On some occasions it's been due to chronic mismanagement but very rarely.

OP - you will on occasion be treated like a child. And on other occasions you will be treated like a disabled adult. Particularly during training, when you're wondering why you can't be trusted to even do your own laundry.

And you might find yourself getting woken up at 2am with no notice so you can go to London to provide security for two weeks at Theresa May's behest.

It's all part of the fun and it gives you something decent to moan about next time you're trying to empty a pub

The Mad Monk

10,474 posts

117 months

Saturday 30th June 2018
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Jay22 said:
I am hoping to join the Army and looking to see what people in the Army or who have been in the Army on here think about it.

I'm 23 and had a bad year last year and trying to get things back on track. I know I'd be older than most but it's what I would like to do - my family don't really like the idea but that doesn't matter.

I've been at the Careers Office and it went well and done the paperwork. It sounds like just what I need and could pick up some good skills. My main problem is having a criminal record - nothing too bad but got convicted for drink driving and criminal damage last year. I told them about this and they said it wouldn't rule me out if everything else checks out but I might have to wait for a bit.
TL:DR

Are you in the Army yet?

If not, may I suggest you have another think.

I know I have posted on this theme previously, but I think it does no harm to iterate this.

Various well meaning serving, or former, soldiers, policeman and firemen are now being taken to court, or threatened with proceedings for events that happened years ago. The decisions were well meant with the information available at the time.

Think policemen at Hillsborough, or Orgreave. Soldiers in Northern Ireland, and now firemen at Grenfell Tower.

Be careful, be very careful.

Evanivitch

20,075 posts

122 months

Saturday 30th June 2018
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The Mad Monk said:
Be careful, be very careful.
Yes, because of all the 100s of thousands (millions!?) of service personnel over the last 7 decades how many have been chased on questionable charges?

Sa Calobra

37,126 posts

211 months

Saturday 30th June 2018
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The Mad Monk said:
Don't forget.

The decisions you make and the actions that you take - all done in good faith - with the information available to you at the time - using the equipment supplied to you - make come back to bite you - hard!

https://www.pressreader.com/uk/the-daily-telegraph...

Still sure that it's a good idea to sign up?
Yes.

Deerfoot

4,902 posts

184 months

Saturday 30th June 2018
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The Mad Monk said:
Be careful, be very careful.
You've never served have you?

The Mad Monk

10,474 posts

117 months

Saturday 30th June 2018
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Deerfoot said:
You've never served have you?
Funny you say that.

Because you are wrong.

But never mind where I did or didn't serve, what about the validity of the point I was making?


Edited by The Mad Monk on Saturday 30th June 22:22

Evanivitch

20,075 posts

122 months

Saturday 30th June 2018
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The Mad Monk said:
Funny you say that.

Because you are wrong.

But never mind where I did or didn't serve, what about the validity of the point I was making?


Edited by The Mad Monk on Saturday 30th June 22:22
It's statistically irrelevant.

Sa Calobra

37,126 posts

211 months

Saturday 30th June 2018
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The Mad Monk said:
TL:DR

Are you in the Army yet?

If not, may I suggest you have another think.

I know I have posted on this theme previously, but I think it does no harm to iterate this.

Various well meaning serving, or former, soldiers, policeman and firemen are now being taken to court, or threatened with proceedings for events that happened years ago. The decisions were well meant with the information available at the time.

Think policemen at Hillsborough, or Orgreave. Soldiers in Northern Ireland, and now firemen at Grenfell Tower.

Be careful, be very careful.
A watch manager was alone in charge at Grenfeld for a whole hour the first hour. A watch manager manages two engines.

You don't think it's right then that the fire service is infront of the inquest?

He shouldn't have been in that position.

The inquest will investigate and find ways to imrpve incase there's another grenfeld.

Yes there are other issues around why the cladding was there but I'm targeting your point face on.

Police at Hillsborough, you don't think they should be questioned for the cover up?




The Mad Monk

10,474 posts

117 months

Sunday 1st July 2018
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Sa Calobra said:
A watch manager was alone in charge at Grenfeld for a whole hour the first hour. A watch manager manages two engines.

You don't think it's right then that the fire service is infront of the inquest?

He shouldn't have been in that position.

The inquest will investigate and find ways to imrpve incase there's another grenfeld.

Yes there are other issues around why the cladding was there but I'm targeting your point face on.

Police at Hillsborough, you don't think they should be questioned for the cover up?


My point is that decisions taken decades ago in the heat of the moment, with the information available to you at the time, all done, probably with the best of intentions can come back to bite you. Hard.

Think Afghanistan, think Miners Strike, Bloody Sunday, etc, etc.

I said be very careful.

Deerfoot

4,902 posts

184 months

Sunday 1st July 2018
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The Mad Monk said:
My point is that decisions taken decades ago in the heat of the moment, with the information available to you at the time, all done, probably with the best of intentions can come back to bite you. Hard.

Think Afghanistan, think Miners Strike, Bloody Sunday, etc, etc.

I said be very careful.
So your solution is for people not to offer to put themselves in those positions?

There are thousands of people who had long careers in these roles, as another poster above noted, statistically, your post is irrelevant.

Sa Calobra

37,126 posts

211 months

Sunday 1st July 2018
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The Mad Monk said:
My point is that decisions taken decades ago in the heat of the moment, with the information available to you at the time, all done, probably with the best of intentions can come back to bite you. Hard.

Think Afghanistan, think Miners Strike, Bloody Sunday, etc, etc.

I said be very careful.
Those decisions werent taken very carefully.

The Mad Monk

10,474 posts

117 months

Sunday 1st July 2018
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Deerfoot said:
The Mad Monk said:
My point is that decisions taken decades ago in the heat of the moment, with the information available to you at the time, all done, probably with the best of intentions can come back to bite you. Hard.

Think Afghanistan, think Miners Strike, Bloody Sunday, etc, etc.

I said be very careful.
So your solution is for people not to offer to put themselves in those positions?

There are thousands of people who had long careers in these roles, as another poster above noted, statistically, your post is irrelevant.
Well, you got it wrong about my military service. Perhaps you got the other stuff wrong as well?

Hmmm?

Evanivitch

20,075 posts

122 months

Sunday 1st July 2018
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The Mad Monk said:
Well, you got it wrong about my military service. Perhaps you got the other stuff wrong as well?

Hmmm?
My Walt radar is tingling.

matthias73

2,883 posts

150 months

Wednesday 4th July 2018
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Or marine A is a car guy and joined PH..

98elise

26,587 posts

161 months

Wednesday 4th July 2018
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Evanivitch said:
The Mad Monk said:
Funny you say that.

Because you are wrong.

But never mind where I did or didn't serve, what about the validity of the point I was making?


Edited by The Mad Monk on Saturday 30th June 22:22
It's statistically irrelevant.
Totally agree.

Sa Calobra

37,126 posts

211 months

Wednesday 4th July 2018
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The Mad Monk said:
Well, you got it wrong about my military service. Perhaps you got the other stuff wrong as well?

Hmmm?
RAF at best and not the flying variety. Probably stores.

anonymous-user

54 months

Wednesday 4th July 2018
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Sa Calobra said:
RAF at best and not the flying variety. Probably stores.
Got beasted to stores at 2am when in the raf reg. They could have ran me to be shot and I’d have looked forward to it much more.

The Mad Monk

10,474 posts

117 months

Thursday 5th July 2018
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This is uncanny!

wal 45

662 posts

180 months

Thursday 5th July 2018
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Faz50 said:
Got beasted to stores at 2am when in the raf reg. They could have ran me to be shot and I’d have looked forward to it much more.
Was this during the famous "5 miler of death"................biggrin

anonymous-user

54 months

Thursday 5th July 2018
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wal 45 said:
Was this during the famous "5 miler of death"................biggrin
Haha, it was during “you’re closest to the door when I came in at 2am and saw that the place was a dump” phase.

Just your Underwear? Check.
Trainers? Check.
Pickup the kitbag, Check.
It’s November, Check.
Start running, Check.

Edited to add that when I fell asleep in class the following day I entered the “Stand on top of the table with your hands on your head while repeating I am a dhead for 45 minutes” Phase.