Would I be mad to move from a big 4 company to local gov?
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Well, there's local authorities and local authorities. They constitute about 90% of our UK clientele and I've worked over a 140 of them. Some are run with the professionalism you'd expect in a blue-chip corporate, some are barely a rung above the Vicar of Dibble's PCC.
That aside, if you've found the ceiling where you are presently, what's to say that's not the case elsewhere? That being the case, then public sector's no bad choice as it comes with a lot more of the beneficial add ons you don't get (much) in the private sector.
Easy to become institutionalised though!
That aside, if you've found the ceiling where you are presently, what's to say that's not the case elsewhere? That being the case, then public sector's no bad choice as it comes with a lot more of the beneficial add ons you don't get (much) in the private sector.
Easy to become institutionalised though!
The big 4 'name' will now always be there on your CV so you can tout that around in later lives. I've lost count of the times I see someone that is 'ex Accenture' or similar. Its a badge of honour in itself to have worked in those places, you have that badge, now time to move on and think about you.
I agree with the above poster though about which LA it is... very very different across the board. Personally, I'd be looking for a job outside of the public sector in another private company. Either way, it sounds like its time to move on from current.
I agree with the above poster though about which LA it is... very very different across the board. Personally, I'd be looking for a job outside of the public sector in another private company. Either way, it sounds like its time to move on from current.
I assume as you know the people who are applying means it's the same authority who made you redundant previously?
Personally I wouldn't want to go back to work for somebody who had previously made me redundant. My thinking would be that if they had wanted to keep you previously they would have made an effort to avoid redundancy.
We always did that at my last company over several years of redundancies.
Personally I wouldn't want to go back to work for somebody who had previously made me redundant. My thinking would be that if they had wanted to keep you previously they would have made an effort to avoid redundancy.
We always did that at my last company over several years of redundancies.
Monkeylegend said:
I assume as you know the people who are applying means it's the same authority who made you redundant previously?
Personally I wouldn't want to go back to work for somebody who had previously made me redundant. My thinking would be that if they had wanted to keep you previously they would have made an effort to avoid redundancy.
We always did that at my last company over several years of redundancies.
Unfortunately redundancies in public sector are not that "personal" IYSWIM.Personally I wouldn't want to go back to work for somebody who had previously made me redundant. My thinking would be that if they had wanted to keep you previously they would have made an effort to avoid redundancy.
We always did that at my last company over several years of redundancies.
If it was VR then quite often good/ambitious people take the payout knowing they'll find something else pretty quickly, meaning that only the dross remain. If it was compulsory redundancy then it may well have been on a LIFO basis (insisted on by the Unions) so again his direct manager may not have had any choice.
Countdown said:
Unfortunately redundancies in public sector are not that "personal" IYSWIM.
If it was VR then quite often good/ambitious people take the payout knowing they'll find something else pretty quickly, meaning that only the dross remain. If it was compulsory redundancy then it may well have been on a LIFO basis (insisted on by the Unions) so again his direct manager may not have had any choice.
Yes, I suppose we had the leeway to be a bit more "creative" with our annual restructuring programmes, although we always went voluntary first with enhanced pension benefits which usually attracted the more mature employee ie those that were drifting towards retirement anyway.If it was VR then quite often good/ambitious people take the payout knowing they'll find something else pretty quickly, meaning that only the dross remain. If it was compulsory redundancy then it may well have been on a LIFO basis (insisted on by the Unions) so again his direct manager may not have had any choice.
StevieBee said:
Well, there's local authorities and local authorities. They constitute about 90% of our UK clientele and I've worked over a 140 of them. Some are run with the professionalism you'd expect in a blue-chip corporate, some are barely a rung above the Vicar of Dibble's PCC.
That aside, if you've found the ceiling where you are presently, what's to say that's not the case elsewhere? That being the case, then public sector's no bad choice as it comes with a lot more of the beneficial add ons you don't get (much) in the private sector.
Easy to become institutionalised though!
I would take a guess and say your description of this particular council is probably somewhere in the middle of your descriptions. Certainly they could do a lot better but there are worse for sure. And yeah, I know what you mean about institutionalised. I would say that described me at the time I left.That aside, if you've found the ceiling where you are presently, what's to say that's not the case elsewhere? That being the case, then public sector's no bad choice as it comes with a lot more of the beneficial add ons you don't get (much) in the private sector.
Easy to become institutionalised though!
ReaperCushions said:
The big 4 'name' will now always be there on your CV so you can tout that around in later lives. I've lost count of the times I see someone that is 'ex Accenture' or similar. Its a badge of honour in itself to have worked in those places, you have that badge, now time to move on and think about you.
I agree with the above poster though about which LA it is... very very different across the board. Personally, I'd be looking for a job outside of the public sector in another private company. Either way, it sounds like its time to move on from current.
It's certainly a good thing to have on the CV thats for sure. Depending on what happens, I would certainly look at alternatives in the private sector; a part of me fancies a smaller company that isn't so faceless.I agree with the above poster though about which LA it is... very very different across the board. Personally, I'd be looking for a job outside of the public sector in another private company. Either way, it sounds like its time to move on from current.
Monkeylegend said:
I assume as you know the people who are applying means it's the same authority who made you redundant previously?
Personally I wouldn't want to go back to work for somebody who had previously made me redundant. My thinking would be that if they had wanted to keep you previously they would have made an effort to avoid redundancy.
We always did that at my last company over several years of redundancies.
Correct. I actually asked for VR, but the request was ignored. Before the end, I changed my mind, but they obviously made their mind up that because I'd asked I didn't want to stay, so the decision was out of my hands. I agree though, it is slightly unnerving the thought of going back to the place that made me redundant, but its water under the bridge, I didn't leave on bad terms and the job I left is not the same one I'm applying for.Personally I wouldn't want to go back to work for somebody who had previously made me redundant. My thinking would be that if they had wanted to keep you previously they would have made an effort to avoid redundancy.
We always did that at my last company over several years of redundancies.
Countdown said:
Unfortunately redundancies in public sector are not that "personal" IYSWIM.
If it was VR then quite often good/ambitious people take the payout knowing they'll find something else pretty quickly, meaning that only the dross remain. If it was compulsory redundancy then it may well have been on a LIFO basis (insisted on by the Unions) so again his direct manager may not have had any choice.
As I say above, it was kind of VR in a way. I took a gamble, it paid off. However, the LIFO factor is one thing making me wary this time around; if there's more cuts to be made, then it'll probably be me this time, and back to square 1.If it was VR then quite often good/ambitious people take the payout knowing they'll find something else pretty quickly, meaning that only the dross remain. If it was compulsory redundancy then it may well have been on a LIFO basis (insisted on by the Unions) so again his direct manager may not have had any choice.
TameRacingDriver said:
It's certainly a good thing to have on the CV thats for sure. Depending on what happens, I would certainly look at alternatives in the private sector; a part of me fancies a smaller company that isn't so faceless.
This. Do this.Large private and pubsec all want to suck the absolute life out of you. Startup tech companies and some more established places have really good environments to work in. There is risk, they might go bust in a year or two but it's not that bad is it?
They will have more social active and enjoyable environments in my experience.
The pubsec and large private really suite corporate assholes who can ream bulls
t all day long, not the people with real aptitude in my experience.
I got bored of big corporates and moved to a smaller, have had an amazing time, then we got bought by a massive company and its starting to turn very quickly into any other big corp
My wife works in the Public Sector and the benefits they get are amazing, she doesn't do an ounce of overtime without putting it down as Flexi, 30 days holiday a year (after 5 years service) and she gets about another 10 a year in Flexi
Its a bit soulless and crap but no different to a big corp except for the benefits and much less stress and pressure
I think its where I'll be looking in a while
My wife works in the Public Sector and the benefits they get are amazing, she doesn't do an ounce of overtime without putting it down as Flexi, 30 days holiday a year (after 5 years service) and she gets about another 10 a year in Flexi
Its a bit soulless and crap but no different to a big corp except for the benefits and much less stress and pressure
I think its where I'll be looking in a while
Nothing much to update here. Never heard back. Fairly surprised to be honest, knowing what I know, but there you go, that's local government for you!
Oddly enough, my current place seem really keen to give me something a bit more to get my teeth into suddenly, and more willing to try and help me along a bit. It's really come out of the blue and I don't know why, but I won't complain. The next year should be a little more interesting to say the least.
Oddly enough, my current place seem really keen to give me something a bit more to get my teeth into suddenly, and more willing to try and help me along a bit. It's really come out of the blue and I don't know why, but I won't complain. The next year should be a little more interesting to say the least.
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