Do people not want to work?
Discussion
So I appreciate that Care Work is low paid and it wont be a career of choice for many but my wife whom helps a care company in their recruitment really struggle to get people on board.
For all the interviews that they set up, only about 20% actually show up - the rest just appear to make the appointment, never to be seen or heard from again.
What we assume is happening is that the applicants are using the email confirmations of interview times to appease the job centre so they can continue to make their claims.
Often, as they interview in pairs - if another office member is not available to interview with my wife, they will ask a senior carer to come in (on overtime) - just to so nothing as several of the applicants, despite a call the day before to confirm their attendance, fail to show up.
The system, whatever it is, that the Job Centres use to prove people are looking for work seems to be costing private companies money - which, I suppose indirectly costs the tax payer more money - as the care companies are paid a scandalous amount by the councils to carry out care in the home on their (councils) behalf.
Looks like its another case of those that dont want to work playing the system - yet many of those whom cant work struggle to justify their PiP (or whatever its called this month).
For all the interviews that they set up, only about 20% actually show up - the rest just appear to make the appointment, never to be seen or heard from again.
What we assume is happening is that the applicants are using the email confirmations of interview times to appease the job centre so they can continue to make their claims.
Often, as they interview in pairs - if another office member is not available to interview with my wife, they will ask a senior carer to come in (on overtime) - just to so nothing as several of the applicants, despite a call the day before to confirm their attendance, fail to show up.
The system, whatever it is, that the Job Centres use to prove people are looking for work seems to be costing private companies money - which, I suppose indirectly costs the tax payer more money - as the care companies are paid a scandalous amount by the councils to carry out care in the home on their (councils) behalf.
Looks like its another case of those that dont want to work playing the system - yet many of those whom cant work struggle to justify their PiP (or whatever its called this month).
Sheets Tabuer said:
Would you like to wipe a 90 year old blokes arse for a couple of quid an hour?
Lets have a look:
Housing benefit £150 pw or £600 pm
Council tax benefit £110 pm
Benefits 688 * source gingerbread
=£1398
Wiping arses on minimum wage = £1254 so you're £144 worse off a month going to work.
Quite!Lets have a look:
Housing benefit £150 pw or £600 pm
Council tax benefit £110 pm
Benefits 688 * source gingerbread
=£1398
Wiping arses on minimum wage = £1254 so you're £144 worse off a month going to work.
The system is f+cked it seems!
I can't honestly say I wouldn't stay on benefits in that particular situation.
Same. And at least on benefits I'd have time to execute on many of the business ideas my current full time role prevents me from doing properly .
If the councils are paying so much for care (quote: "companies are paid a scandalous amount by the councils to carry out care in the home") why are the salaries so low??? If care homes were inundated with applicants I could understand low salary but as that's not the case you need to dip into that scandalous profit margin and pay a decent wage.
If the councils are paying so much for care (quote: "companies are paid a scandalous amount by the councils to carry out care in the home") why are the salaries so low??? If care homes were inundated with applicants I could understand low salary but as that's not the case you need to dip into that scandalous profit margin and pay a decent wage.
like many businesses the vast amounts of money it makes gets sucked out of it by the big cheeses at the top. why else are they paying what the law requires them and no more ie; what their "team" or "work family" might be worth? yep when the shoes fits.
you may think say £80 a day isnt bad but thats 10 hours at £8.00 an hour. 5 day week is 50 hours to get £400 - over a month it isnt much after stoppages not when you have the scandalous rents we have to pay or a mortgage plus costs of getting to the job.
many care jobs ive seen require you to have a car ! and that on £8 hr.........you have to tax it MOT it fuel it insure it service it..........its like these va driving jobs I seen lately........do any companies that deliver stuff these days actually give their drivers vans anymore as they all seem to require you to provide the van and cover all the costs that come with that. again £8 per hour. fine if youre doing 70 hours a week rather than a more reasonable average of 35-40.
you may think say £80 a day isnt bad but thats 10 hours at £8.00 an hour. 5 day week is 50 hours to get £400 - over a month it isnt much after stoppages not when you have the scandalous rents we have to pay or a mortgage plus costs of getting to the job.
many care jobs ive seen require you to have a car ! and that on £8 hr.........you have to tax it MOT it fuel it insure it service it..........its like these va driving jobs I seen lately........do any companies that deliver stuff these days actually give their drivers vans anymore as they all seem to require you to provide the van and cover all the costs that come with that. again £8 per hour. fine if youre doing 70 hours a week rather than a more reasonable average of 35-40.
Tomo1971 said:
So I appreciate that Care Work is low paid and it wont be a career of choice for many but my wife whom helps a care company in their recruitment really struggle to get people on board.
For all the interviews that they set up, only about 20% actually show up - the rest just appear to make the appointment, never to be seen or heard from again.
What we assume is happening is that the applicants are using the email confirmations of interview times to appease the job centre so they can continue to make their claims.
Often, as they interview in pairs - if another office member is not available to interview with my wife, they will ask a senior carer to come in (on overtime) - just to so nothing as several of the applicants, despite a call the day before to confirm their attendance, fail to show up.
The system, whatever it is, that the Job Centres use to prove people are looking for work seems to be costing private companies money - which, I suppose indirectly costs the tax payer more money - as the care companies are paid a scandalous amount by the councils to carry out care in the home on their (councils) behalf.
Looks like its another case of those that dont want to work playing the system - yet many of those whom cant work struggle to justify their PiP (or whatever its called this month).
How much are you paying?For all the interviews that they set up, only about 20% actually show up - the rest just appear to make the appointment, never to be seen or heard from again.
What we assume is happening is that the applicants are using the email confirmations of interview times to appease the job centre so they can continue to make their claims.
Often, as they interview in pairs - if another office member is not available to interview with my wife, they will ask a senior carer to come in (on overtime) - just to so nothing as several of the applicants, despite a call the day before to confirm their attendance, fail to show up.
The system, whatever it is, that the Job Centres use to prove people are looking for work seems to be costing private companies money - which, I suppose indirectly costs the tax payer more money - as the care companies are paid a scandalous amount by the councils to carry out care in the home on their (councils) behalf.
Looks like its another case of those that dont want to work playing the system - yet many of those whom cant work struggle to justify their PiP (or whatever its called this month).
What are the minimum contracted hours?
Is it based in one location or is their a requirement for travel?
My ex partner and mother of my child hasn't worked for 10+ years.
She has been given a detached 4 bedroom home in a affluent Surrey village by the council - with garage/driveway, has two 17 plate (manual) cars, yet claims disability benefit.
She has had 4 kids via 3 fathers.
Each year she goes to New York every Feb without fail, a summer holiday abroad and Centre Parcs in October.
She's got 4 x pedigree dogs.
It goes on...
I work as does my partner, we go to the Isle of Wight each summer for our holiday with my son and two step children as that's all we can afford!
The world has gone mad.
She has been given a detached 4 bedroom home in a affluent Surrey village by the council - with garage/driveway, has two 17 plate (manual) cars, yet claims disability benefit.
She has had 4 kids via 3 fathers.
Each year she goes to New York every Feb without fail, a summer holiday abroad and Centre Parcs in October.
She's got 4 x pedigree dogs.
It goes on...
I work as does my partner, we go to the Isle of Wight each summer for our holiday with my son and two step children as that's all we can afford!
The world has gone mad.
It is funny to see care work and delivery drivers being mentioned right off the bat. Two jobs where there seems to be constant complaints that we are having 'shortages' of. And yet two industries which seem adamant that paying minimum wage + £1 is appropriate for the role.
How 'short' do these companies actually need to get before they acknowledge that paying bugger all for roles which can easily be defined as skilled labour is going to cause them serious grief down the line when many of their curreny employees retire and potential employees figure out they are better off just sitting behind a supermarket checkout till for the same rate of pay.
Rant aside, there are those out there who see themselves as better of on benefits, the large volume of care roles which seem constantly advertised up and down the country make them easy targets to tick the 'I applied for:' box on their jsa.
How 'short' do these companies actually need to get before they acknowledge that paying bugger all for roles which can easily be defined as skilled labour is going to cause them serious grief down the line when many of their curreny employees retire and potential employees figure out they are better off just sitting behind a supermarket checkout till for the same rate of pay.
Rant aside, there are those out there who see themselves as better of on benefits, the large volume of care roles which seem constantly advertised up and down the country make them easy targets to tick the 'I applied for:' box on their jsa.
Tekno said:
My ex partner and mother of my child hasn't worked for 10+ years.
She has been given a detached 4 bedroom home in a affluent Surrey village by the council - with garage/driveway, has two 17 plate (manual) cars, yet claims disability benefit.
She has had 4 kids via 3 fathers.
Each year she goes to New York every Feb without fail, a summer holiday abroad and Centre Parcs in October.
She's got 4 x pedigree dogs.
It goes on...
I work as does my partner, we go to the Isle of Wight each summer for our holiday with my son and two step children as that's all we can afford!
The world has gone mad.
https://www.pistonheads.com/gassing/topic.asp?h=0&f=&t=1691956She has been given a detached 4 bedroom home in a affluent Surrey village by the council - with garage/driveway, has two 17 plate (manual) cars, yet claims disability benefit.
She has had 4 kids via 3 fathers.
Each year she goes to New York every Feb without fail, a summer holiday abroad and Centre Parcs in October.
She's got 4 x pedigree dogs.
It goes on...
I work as does my partner, we go to the Isle of Wight each summer for our holiday with my son and two step children as that's all we can afford!
The world has gone mad.
I'm a trained chef, currently I'm doing some free lance/agency work so that my working hours are flexible. I get a fair bit of carehome work now and again and have to say (obviously not all) knowing what my grand parents paid for my grandfather to stay in one of these places and the food that they are being fed is a f
king disgrace. Seeing behind the scenes of such an operation I know that I'd sooner kill myself than live out my days in one of places.
king disgrace. Seeing behind the scenes of such an operation I know that I'd sooner kill myself than live out my days in one of places.Tekno said:
My ex partner and mother of my child hasn't worked for 10+ years.
She has been given a detached 4 bedroom home in a affluent Surrey village by the council - with garage/driveway, has two 17 plate (manual) cars, yet claims disability benefit.
She has had 4 kids via 3 fathers.
Each year she goes to New York every Feb without fail, a summer holiday abroad and Centre Parcs in October.
She's got 4 x pedigree dogs.
It goes on...
I work as does my partner, we go to the Isle of Wight each summer for our holiday with my son and two step children as that's all we can afford!
The world has gone mad.
That's sickening. What's her disability benefit?She has been given a detached 4 bedroom home in a affluent Surrey village by the council - with garage/driveway, has two 17 plate (manual) cars, yet claims disability benefit.
She has had 4 kids via 3 fathers.
Each year she goes to New York every Feb without fail, a summer holiday abroad and Centre Parcs in October.
She's got 4 x pedigree dogs.
It goes on...
I work as does my partner, we go to the Isle of Wight each summer for our holiday with my son and two step children as that's all we can afford!
The world has gone mad.
ToothbrushMan said:
like many businesses the vast amounts of money it makes gets sucked out of it by the big cheeses at the top. why else are they paying what the law requires them and no more ie; what their "team" or "work family" might be worth? yep when the shoes fits.
you may think say £80 a day isnt bad but thats 10 hours at £8.00 an hour. 5 day week is 50 hours to get £400 - over a month it isnt much after stoppages not when you have the scandalous rents we have to pay or a mortgage plus costs of getting to the job.
many care jobs ive seen require you to have a car ! and that on £8 hr.........you have to tax it MOT it fuel it insure it service it..........its like these va driving jobs I seen lately........do any companies that deliver stuff these days actually give their drivers vans anymore as they all seem to require you to provide the van and cover all the costs that come with that. again £8 per hour. fine if youre doing 70 hours a week rather than a more reasonable average of 35-40.
I was talking to the Ferrari guy from HR Owen a couple of years ago - asked him about 'typical' customers - quite a lot of care home owners apparently. Go figure. I'd rather be pushed off a cliff than live in one (care home, not a Ferrari).you may think say £80 a day isnt bad but thats 10 hours at £8.00 an hour. 5 day week is 50 hours to get £400 - over a month it isnt much after stoppages not when you have the scandalous rents we have to pay or a mortgage plus costs of getting to the job.
many care jobs ive seen require you to have a car ! and that on £8 hr.........you have to tax it MOT it fuel it insure it service it..........its like these va driving jobs I seen lately........do any companies that deliver stuff these days actually give their drivers vans anymore as they all seem to require you to provide the van and cover all the costs that come with that. again £8 per hour. fine if youre doing 70 hours a week rather than a more reasonable average of 35-40.
Big sweeping generalised mode off. There does seem to be a problem though.
Sheets Tabuer said:
Would you like to wipe a 90 year old blokes arse for a couple of quid an hour?
Lets have a look:
Housing benefit £150 pw or £600 pm
Council tax benefit £110 pm
Benefits 688 * source gingerbread
=£1398
Wiping arses on minimum wage = £1254 so you're £144 worse off a month going to work.
Blinking heck !Lets have a look:
Housing benefit £150 pw or £600 pm
Council tax benefit £110 pm
Benefits 688 * source gingerbread
=£1398
Wiping arses on minimum wage = £1254 so you're £144 worse off a month going to work.
Do you get that just by saying that you can't find work ?
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My mother is owner/director of a domiciliary care company, caring for the disable and elderly, they really struggle to get staff, and those they do get only want to work 16hrs/week, apparently this is the most they can work and still claim various benefits.
I can see why though, there's a boatload of training to do (more training required to care for the elderly than children), the pay is only slightly above minimum wage, and alot of the time there's no guaranteed hours. The hours they require people move all the time, as clients go in/out of hospital and respite care, or pass away, and new clients are taken on.
I can see why though, there's a boatload of training to do (more training required to care for the elderly than children), the pay is only slightly above minimum wage, and alot of the time there's no guaranteed hours. The hours they require people move all the time, as clients go in/out of hospital and respite care, or pass away, and new clients are taken on.
How much are you paying? My guess is that it's not enough and it offers plenty of anti-social hours in a thankless job with no progression.
Tesco pay £8.42/hr (https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-40386827) and they're not some glorious exception.
I'd rather stack tins and sit at a checkout for 8 hours a day than clean the incontinent and make small talk with the demented for that money.
Tesco pay £8.42/hr (https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-40386827) and they're not some glorious exception.
I'd rather stack tins and sit at a checkout for 8 hours a day than clean the incontinent and make small talk with the demented for that money.
skinnyman said:
My mother is owner/director of a domiciliary care company, caring for the disable and elderly, they really struggle to get staff, and those they do get only want to work 16hrs/week, apparently this is the most they can work and still claim various benefits.
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The trick is to pay enough to outweigh the loss in benefits..
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