Arriving at work early
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DoubleTime said:
Selfish Gene - you most definitely have a natural talent as a motivational speaker I reckon.
You could start each session by comparing your achievements to that of Hawkins and Sugar. s
t why stop there, throw in Trump and Branson while you're at it. Really get your audience pumped!
Wait, what was this thread about again?
you jest I know - but I do coach a lot of people in various ways.You could start each session by comparing your achievements to that of Hawkins and Sugar. s
t why stop there, throw in Trump and Branson while you're at it. Really get your audience pumped! Wait, what was this thread about again?
I have given the odd motivational speech too............
it's not about comparing myself to geniuses like that (I was making a point, not comparing)
It's more, I want everyone to have a better life (genuinely)
When I hear people talking about 15 minutes here and there I want to ccoach them!
ozzuk said:
As an ad-hoc thing, sure, there should always be give and take...but not take and take. It is people that blindly accept those terms that normalise the bad practice.
Agree with this. You wouldn't expect a company to pay you extra for time you've not worked, a company shouldn't regularly expect employees to work for hours they're not paid. Those who have a vested interest in the business are probably the exception to the rule.I work for a company where we're given the freedom to be adult about things - productivity/efficiency isn't measured in time but in output/results. There are some mornings where I'm not in until gone 9am and some evenings where I'm still here an hour after others have left. If I need time for an dental appointment for example, I'd schedule it early (or late) and come in after (or leave early) and the work gets done.
A system where neither employee or employer takes the piss is usually a positive workable solution for all involved.
Zor600 said:
Hi all, So for years at my workplace colleagues have had to arrive approx 15 min before their start time to set up they’re computers (they take at least 10 mins to boot up due to the age of them).
Assuming we're talking about regular office type browser/word/excel work, a <£50 SSD will make even a 10 yr old PC boot up in less than 30 secs (and update to Windows 10 for free if you haven't already)
The Selfish Gene said:
not everyone has a 9-5 job................hours are irrelevant.
….but the OP has, and asked a question specific to that, and you have spectacularly managed to avoid contributing a useful response, and instead just strutted around like some big-dick-swinging pillock.FWIW I am knocking off today - to the minute - at the end of my contracted hours, and will be out having fun on my mountain bike ~30 mins later. I must be a loser, but I don't feel like one!
The Selfish Gene said:
don't misquote me like it was my words.
I have no trouble organising myself, or my team of 150 plus people.
I never feel guilty - because that is not my relationship with my work or my clients.
You guys crack on worrying about your clock watching. I'll continue being successful without the need to worry about if I'm getting paid for 15 minutes work extra.
You claim you regularly do c.600 hours a year unpaid. Do you actually need to? I have no trouble organising myself, or my team of 150 plus people.
I never feel guilty - because that is not my relationship with my work or my clients.
You guys crack on worrying about your clock watching. I'll continue being successful without the need to worry about if I'm getting paid for 15 minutes work extra.
The Selfish Gene said:
ozzuk said:
It is different for you though, although you say you are contracted to do 37.5 hours, you are obviously happy that your compensation is adequate that you'll happily work 50+ hours as a norm. Nothing wrong with that.
Where that isn't fine is if you believe your compensation doesn't match your contribution. I.e. you are taken on at a rate to do a role for 37.5 hours and your company expects as a norm for you to do 50+. That is not two way respect, to test that trying asking your employer for a 25% pay rise. Our site managers leave on time as a norm - 6 figure salaries, because that is how they value their time, and how the company values their time.
yeah agreed - but the OP is talking about getting in 15 minutes early to start his job on time.............then I'm being vilified and told I'm not efficient and my 'boss' is taking the piss because I work 50 hours and not 37.5Where that isn't fine is if you believe your compensation doesn't match your contribution. I.e. you are taken on at a rate to do a role for 37.5 hours and your company expects as a norm for you to do 50+. That is not two way respect, to test that trying asking your employer for a 25% pay rise. Our site managers leave on time as a norm - 6 figure salaries, because that is how they value their time, and how the company values their time.
My point is, it doesn't matter what is written on the contract, it's irrelevant if you have the right mind set.
If I ever worked my actual hours in the week of 37.5 - I'd probably still do more than 50 learning something new, or making money doing something else.
you know?
Your life isn't for me, we'll all die one day, I'm happy knowing I've spent as much time with my wife as I can, enjoying life, whilst having a job that pays me a wage that provides enough for our lifestyle, without me having to work extra.
You value money more than time, other value time much much much more than money!
As an aside I couldn't imagine giving up an evening with my wife to make phone calls, I'm assuming what you earn is enough to keep your partner happy? Your basically working to fund a lifestyle. Even if I was earning a 6 figure salary I'd want to be working 40 hrs a week, which probably means a 6 figure salary isn't on my horizon, which is fine by me!
Edited by Spragnut on Tuesday 23 October 15:21
Edited by Spragnut on Tuesday 23 October 15:23
Many years ago I worked at a large multi national where I had to be ready for work at the start of my shift...lets say 9am this example. So I would have to arrive early to turn my computer on, get my systems up and ready and have my phone on ready for 9am.
I don't believe i was paid for that extra time for turning computers etc and if i remember correctly i am sure my contract stated that i had to be ready for the start of my shift.
I don't believe i was paid for that extra time for turning computers etc and if i remember correctly i am sure my contract stated that i had to be ready for the start of my shift.
The Selfish Gene said:
wow
oh my - me thinks you don't understand. I am the employer - I have clients. No brown nosing required. Not even considered.
We do what is necessary to succeed.
What we do is hugely important, and we are rewarded accordingly.
As for being inefficient - we don't all stuff chickens on an assembly line pal x x
Tell Charles I’m on my way.....taxi!oh my - me thinks you don't understand. I am the employer - I have clients. No brown nosing required. Not even considered.
We do what is necessary to succeed.
What we do is hugely important, and we are rewarded accordingly.
As for being inefficient - we don't all stuff chickens on an assembly line pal x x
I get to work 5-10 minutes early to chat to other drivers /check my vehicle without rushing, I don't expect (and don't get paid for it).
Swings and roundabouts, as if I get off the bus on time at the end of my shift, and cash in quickly, I can be away 5 minutes before my official finish.
Suits me down to the ground.
Swings and roundabouts, as if I get off the bus on time at the end of my shift, and cash in quickly, I can be away 5 minutes before my official finish.
Suits me down to the ground.
I work 50 hrs a week for my employer, although I'm contracted for 37.5hrs, its my choice to work the extra hours and I do it for a variety of reasons, traffic, habit, enjoyment etc I don't get paid for the extra but if I need to leave early or come in late then I do so without losing pay.
Last year we had a huge job for a famous New York company to complete which required early starts for me (5am) with a normal finish at around 17:30 for July through to December, I did it because the job needed doing and no I didn't get any extra money.
Our Quality Manager gets in at 1 second before 8am and is gone 1 second before 5pm, nobody says anything and he still gets his normal pay.
The one thing I do like though is getting in for 7:55 am and somebody telling me I'm late - I say no i'm actually 5 minutes early.
Fundamentally its my choice.
Last year we had a huge job for a famous New York company to complete which required early starts for me (5am) with a normal finish at around 17:30 for July through to December, I did it because the job needed doing and no I didn't get any extra money.
Our Quality Manager gets in at 1 second before 8am and is gone 1 second before 5pm, nobody says anything and he still gets his normal pay.
The one thing I do like though is getting in for 7:55 am and somebody telling me I'm late - I say no i'm actually 5 minutes early.
Fundamentally its my choice.
wilksy61 said:
I work 50 hrs a week for my employer, although I'm contracted for 37.5hrs, its my choice to work the extra hours and I do it for a variety of reasons, traffic, habit, enjoyment etc I don't get paid for the extra but if I need to leave early or come in late then I do so without losing pay.
Last year we had a huge job for a famous New York company to complete which required early starts for me (5am) with a normal finish at around 17:30 for July through to December, I did it because the job needed doing and no I didn't get any extra money.
Our Quality Manager gets in at 1 second before 8am and is gone 1 second before 5pm, nobody says anything and he still gets his normal pay.
The one thing I do like though is getting in for 7:55 am and somebody telling me I'm late - I say no i'm actually 5 minutes early.
Fundamentally its my choice.
I just can't get my head around this, would you not prefer to be at home?Last year we had a huge job for a famous New York company to complete which required early starts for me (5am) with a normal finish at around 17:30 for July through to December, I did it because the job needed doing and no I didn't get any extra money.
Our Quality Manager gets in at 1 second before 8am and is gone 1 second before 5pm, nobody says anything and he still gets his normal pay.
The one thing I do like though is getting in for 7:55 am and somebody telling me I'm late - I say no i'm actually 5 minutes early.
Fundamentally its my choice.
Out of interest and not trying to be funny but are you married? Also do you have kids? My dad worked in London a lot of my childhood, left at 4-5am, home after we went to bed, he was always drawn to the London pay and abundance of work as a contracts manager, and felt he needed to work that way to provide a life for us, it was in no way a frivolous upbringing, my parents marriage broke down when I was starting secondary school, they divorced and he moved to London to carry on working. I was chatting to him a few weeks ago and he regrets the time he missed with us when we were young and appreciated it put extra pressure on their marriage, consequently meaning he's missed out massively on us growing up. This happened 20+ years ago, he has 7 grand children (non of which are mine, I have 2 sisters) but also missed out on helping me do work on our house, which used to be my parents house.
He gives the impression that wasn't worth loosing for a job. And I have wholeheartedly agreed with that since probably my late teens. I appreciate that will mean I will never have a career as successful as some on here, I struggle with the idea that the majority of our life is spent working and sleeping, therefore any time awake when not working should be spent with someone you care for. Not working for free, sorry I just don't understand it.
Edited by Spragnut on Tuesday 23 October 16:17
Christmassss said:
Many years ago I worked at a large multi national where I had to be ready for work at the start of my shift...lets say 9am this example. So I would have to arrive early to turn my computer on, get my systems up and ready and have my phone on ready for 9am.
I don't believe i was paid for that extra time for turning computers etc and if i remember correctly i am sure my contract stated that i had to be ready for the start of my shift.
Same. if you weren't ready and waiting to press the 'ready' button at the start of your shift then you were late. Back then it was all standalone wheezy Compaq desktops that took 10-15 minutes to boot, sign in and be ready to go. Never got paid for it either. Now they have Wyse Terminals with SSD's in them so it's only a couple of minutes tops. Only got paid after the shift if you went over 15 minutes too. You could be 14 minutes 5 days in a row and be denied the extra.I don't believe i was paid for that extra time for turning computers etc and if i remember correctly i am sure my contract stated that i had to be ready for the start of my shift.
The Selfish Gene said:
WonkeyDonkey said:
Wow.
What a load of bks. It's one thing working an extra 10 minutes or so a day, but working and extra 2 and a half hours a day just to brown nose your employers?
Sod that, you're only getting paid 80% of what you really should be in that case. Either that or you're a completely inefficient worker.
wowWhat a load of b
ks. It's one thing working an extra 10 minutes or so a day, but working and extra 2 and a half hours a day just to brown nose your employers? Sod that, you're only getting paid 80% of what you really should be in that case. Either that or you're a completely inefficient worker.
oh my - me thinks you don't understand. I am the employer - I have clients. No brown nosing required. Not even considered.
We do what is necessary to succeed.
What we do is hugely important, and we are rewarded accordingly.
As for being inefficient - we don't all stuff chickens on an assembly line pal x x
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The Selfish Gene said:
15 minutes before work? yeah I have to be at work
as for the rest of the time - I leave when I'm done, not when it's time.
Suspect we are talking about different role levels here though.
When anyone in my team starts clock watching to that level, I know they'll be leaving soon.
Why do you HAVE to be at work 15 minutes before you start work? as for the rest of the time - I leave when I'm done, not when it's time.
Suspect we are talking about different role levels here though.
When anyone in my team starts clock watching to that level, I know they'll be leaving soon.
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