Boss taking you for granted

Boss taking you for granted

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mgsontour

Original Poster:

361 posts

13 months

Saturday 13th July
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Hi, my son ( he is 22 year old ) works with a self-employed roofer and is getting taken for a ride. . . he turns up every morning at 7.45, picks him up and returns him about 5pm ( midday on a Saturday ) and he walks away with only £300 a week. . . .is normal wages for that kind of hard graft?
The reason I ask is the roofer charges about £200 per hour so there is plenty room for paying a decent wage or is he taking the p***ss

Deep Thought

23,640 posts

141 months

Saturday 13th July
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mgsontour said:
Hi, my son ( he is 22 year old ) works with a self-employed roofer and is getting taken for a ride. . . he turns up every morning at 7.45, picks him up and returns him about 5pm ( midday on a Saturday ) and he walks away with only £300 a week. . . .is normal wages for that kind of hard graft?
The reason I ask is the roofer charges about £200 per hour so there is plenty room for paying a decent wage or is he taking the p***ss
What are his colleagues paid?

mgsontour

Original Poster:

361 posts

13 months

Saturday 13th July
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Surprisingly there is only the roofer and my lad ( his mates he has grown up with earn a lot less than him but don't have anything near the work load/hours )

Deep Thought

23,640 posts

141 months

Saturday 13th July
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mgsontour said:
Surprisingly there is only the roofer and my lad ( his mates he has grown up with earn a lot less than him but don't have anything near the work load/hours )
If he feels hes worth more he could / should ask for more. But likewise, if hes in a skilled job and getting good experience, it might be worth getting the experience and then starting up himself at some point in the future.

£300 a week works out at about £19K per year so not a massive hill of beans.

Mr Pointy

3,994 posts

103 months

Saturday 13th July
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Well the minimum wage is £7.70 so is he getting that?

The roofer isn't charging £200 an hour: that would be £1600 a day & I'd be signing up for it.

mgsontour

Original Poster:

361 posts

13 months

Saturday 13th July
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19k ain't a lot but for the work is very poor in my eyes. . . .£200/hour is about right on priced work ( sometimes a lot more ) and the 2 of them either do a full day or chargeable hours at about 200 or 2 smaller jobs at 3/400 an hour. . . ALL ON PRICE WORK so customer can't flinch but 95% of the time it's done very quick thanks to the help of my lad who works hard for him, all the customers recommend him as he turns up on time and does a good/clean job

The Leaper

3,382 posts

150 months

Saturday 13th July
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£200 per hour seems unlikely. The man who fixes our fences when broken turns up with a mate and he charges £300 per day plus any parts eg fence panels, etc. He keeps £200 and the mate gets £100.

R.

4Q

2,087 posts

88 months

Saturday 13th July
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Not sure where your roofer is earning £200 an hour! I usually pay £250-300 per day for a roofer and a mate.

AndyAudi

1,999 posts

166 months

Saturday 13th July
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mgsontour said:
. he turns up every morning at 7.45, picks him up and returns him about 5pm ( midday on a Saturday ) and he walks away with only £300 a week. . . .is normal wages for that kind of hard graft?
I’d say it’s possibly Normal

We have a 55yr old working for us Paid less than £9hr basic, Daily he works on site 07:45 - 16:45.

Looking at a 4 week month with 160hrs basic he’s “walking away” at a little more than £300 after tax/NI etc in his Bank
(& prob costing us about £500 week after Ni pension etc))

Not sure where you are, but if he’s easily replaceable there’s prob umpteen folk who’d fill his shoes.


h0b0

4,032 posts

140 months

Saturday 13th July
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How much tax is he paying?

If the roofer is really charging 200 quid an hour all day everyday then your lad should be great full for the apprenticeship for 2 years and then he can start his own business pulling in 400k/yr.

Duncan_autoshine

33 posts

158 months

Saturday 13th July
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Is it the fact you don't think 19k a year is a decent wage for a 22 year old or you think it's unfair simply because of what the roofer charges for his services?
I can guarantee the roofer has over heads far higher than what you imagine they are so £200 a job won't be anywhere near net profit.
At 22, your lad is being paid to learn a profitable trade plus spend all day long with a guy who's intelligent enough to earn (in you eyes) £200 per hour yet you brand him a boss who's taking advantage? In my eyes your son should be paying him to spend time in his company to learn what he knows.
Uni students pay tens of thousands to learn skills which will earn far less than £200 per hour.
I'm sorry for the rant but all these kids now a days expect the trophies without running the race and this attitude is a prime example.

Saleen836

6,717 posts

153 months

Saturday 13th July
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'Only £300 a week'
Your son gets picked up and dropped off outside the door with no outlay for a vehicle or running costs, I would say he isn't being taken advantage of!

Petrolsmasher

2,117 posts

60 months

Saturday 13th July
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200 quid an hour?

fk right off

euphoricmess

669 posts

9 months

Saturday 13th July
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Assuming he's doing 8 hours work a day then 4 on weekends he is being paid £6.81 an hour. What tax is he paying. Is this after his tax?

Also the £200 an hour thing sounds very odd indeed. It might work out like that if you take total job price and divide it by time but that won't include materials and other costs. I'm less certain here but it still seems excessive.

If he is not being paid min wage, that's one thing, if it's the idea you think he should get more then he should either speak to his boss or consider working for some other roofer who will pay him more.

Wacky Racer

31,399 posts

191 months

Saturday 13th July
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Tell your son to watch and learn, and keep his mouth shut...…

Then become self employed when he feels the time is right.

Bear in mind he will need a reliable van, workshop to store scaffolding, tools etc, very good insurance cover in case he falls off a ladder, (or worse a roof) and some work lined up, plus he will have to have a partner or take on somebody, not a job you can really do by yourself, it's hard graft. (Not that easy...is it?)

Muzzer79

2,809 posts

131 months

Saturday 13th July
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Step 1
Earn relatively OK wages but for long hours, learning the roofing game. Keep trap shut.

Step 2
Leave and charge £190 per hour yourself for the same job to (allegedly) undercut current boss


HTH

xjay1337

12,325 posts

62 months

Saturday 13th July
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Saleen836 said:
'Only £300 a week'
Your son gets picked up and dropped off outside the door with no outlay for a vehicle or running costs, I would say he isn't being taken advantage of!
I take it that he picks up and drops off his boss.

Either way 7:45-5pm and weekend work for £300 a week isn't ideal. Hourly rate is very low.

When I was 22 I was earning around £28k a year for a Mon-Fri 9-5 Job, but different industry.

Edited by xjay1337 on Sunday 14th July 00:02

Testaburger

2,514 posts

142 months

Sunday 14th July
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It all depends on the end goal, surely.

As it stands, he’s not in the position he’d like to spend his career in, but if it’s viewed as an ok the job education which can lead to setting up business in a lucrative trade, then it doesn’t seem too bad.

Just make sure he’s not getting screwed administratively, and that his boss is paying NI contributions, pension etc. Ie. Make sure it’s not just cash in hand. In the long run, they’re more valuable than a few extra quid at 22.

mgsontour

Original Poster:

361 posts

13 months

Sunday 14th July
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Very interesting comments and hear what you all saying and agree with most of it, we are in Blackpool and there are lot's of roofs and the suppliers for the industry are always packed as others are for different trades, the plumbers/joiners/sparks etc all seem happy and in full employment and recon son should shut up and learn as most of you suggest and get his own van and get out there and do it for himself; suppose I'm just old fashioned and think the numbers are all too high but if that's the price today for a tradesman then so be it and wish every youngster all the best as it's beyond me in the cash involved

Gtom

691 posts

76 months

Sunday 14th July
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It all depends on what your son is doing in the day.

If he is stood round drinking red bull, smoking, playing on his phone then occasionally doing a bit of graft then it’s a fair wage.

If he is grafting all day, learning a relatively skilled trade and has no outlay at all he should keep quiet, stick at it and go on his own in a few years.

The £300/week will soon be forgotten about.