Reclaiming expenses from an outgoing employee

Reclaiming expenses from an outgoing employee

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Jasandjules

69,888 posts

229 months

Sunday 16th February 2020
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Countdown said:
You'd be surprised how few employers carry out a Basic DBS check. And in any case that would only show something where

- the person was convicted
- the conviction is unspent.
Just so you know there are limited bases upon which an employer can undertake a DBS check. A person can provide one on themselves however

xjay1337

15,966 posts

118 months

Sunday 16th February 2020
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Fugawi said:
Been a while but an update for anyone interested.

I sent him an invoice with an itemised breakdown. A couple of emails back and forth and a small negotiation and I retrieved over 90% of what I originally requested, paid on the due date of the invoice. Pretty happy with that!
That's excellent news :-)

Fugawi

Original Poster:

59 posts

90 months

Sunday 16th February 2020
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Yep, pleased I bothered!!

elanfan

5,520 posts

227 months

Monday 17th February 2020
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Oh well I guess you can look forward to the first reference request you get!

Fugawi

Original Poster:

59 posts

90 months

Monday 17th February 2020
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Oh yes!!

Voldemort

6,144 posts

278 months

Monday 17th February 2020
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If you do get a reference request, simply decline to give one.

Do not give any reasons why, let the people asking figure it out. This is because he can demand to see the reference you provide from the potential new employers - which has gotten many a former employee in trouble, regardless of the truths in said reference.

vaud

50,482 posts

155 months

Monday 17th February 2020
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Voldemort said:
If you do get a reference request, simply decline to give one.

Do not give any reasons why, let the people asking figure it out. This is because he can demand to see the reference you provide from the potential new employers - which has gotten many a former employee in trouble, regardless of the truths in said reference.
Don't decline to give any form of reference.

Just state "employee worked here from X to Y date in role Z", and no more.

loskie

5,216 posts

120 months

Monday 17th February 2020
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why "don't decline" ? Genuine question.

bad company

18,575 posts

266 months

Monday 17th February 2020
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loskie said:
why "don't decline" ? Genuine question.
If an employer gives some ex employees a reference but not others they could be liable to a claim. Unlikely but possible.

Zarco

17,845 posts

209 months

Monday 17th February 2020
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vaud said:
Voldemort said:
If you do get a reference request, simply decline to give one.

Do not give any reasons why, let the people asking figure it out. This is because he can demand to see the reference you provide from the potential new employers - which has gotten many a former employee in trouble, regardless of the truths in said reference.
Don't decline to give any form of reference.

Just state "employee worked here from X to Y date in role Z", and no more.
As far as I'm aware that's all many big companies give these days, whether a good or bad reference is deserved.

vaud

50,482 posts

155 months

Monday 17th February 2020
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Zarco said:
As far as I'm aware that's all many big companies give these days, whether a good or bad reference is deserved.
Indeed, as they don't want the potential liability of a positive recommendation turning out to be a nightmare employee in their next role.

Bad references are a bad idea generally, as they leave the employee no right to reply, and there are normally two sides to any story. Best just to say nothing aside from confirming employment dates.

Fugawi

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59 posts

90 months

Monday 17th February 2020
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Been advised to pick the phone up and give a brief account. Unlikely to be any evidence that way.

elanfan

5,520 posts

227 months

Monday 17th February 2020
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Exactly that.

sc0tt

18,041 posts

201 months

Tuesday 18th February 2020
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Fugawi said:
Been advised to pick the phone up and give a brief account. Unlikely to be any evidence that way.
Terrible advice. Just confirm dates and move on.

anonymous-user

54 months

Tuesday 18th February 2020
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sc0tt said:
Terrible advice. Just confirm dates and move on.
This.

bad company

18,575 posts

266 months

Tuesday 18th February 2020
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janesmith1950 said:
sc0tt said:
Terrible advice. Just confirm dates and move on.
This.
I understand where your coming from but if the information the op gives is factual and accurate what’s the problem?

anonymous-user

54 months

Tuesday 18th February 2020
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bad company said:
I understand where your coming from but if the information the op gives is factual and accurate what’s the problem?
Why open yourself up to "he said, she said"? There are lots of potential downsides and no corresponding upsides.

xjay1337

15,966 posts

118 months

Tuesday 18th February 2020
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vaud said:
Zarco said:
As far as I'm aware that's all many big companies give these days, whether a good or bad reference is deserved.
Indeed, as they don't want the potential liability of a positive recommendation turning out to be a nightmare employee in their next role.

Bad references are a bad idea generally, as they leave the employee no right to reply, and there are normally two sides to any story. Best just to say nothing aside from confirming employment dates.
It's OK, one company I worked at when I was really young and somewhat foolish, not only made me jump through so many hoops for a junior technical role in IT (4 interviews), but called me a "" by a very short, angry man who somehow was the MD (probably a PHer) for taking my own holiday leave and interviewing at another company after months of bullying from the sales manager and working at a much more senior level than my £15k per annum deserved with a request for a payrise firmly denied.

They also then gave a reference along the lines of that it was a mistake to have hired me (which clearly wasn't the case as the only reason I was fired at 11 months and 2 weeks, back when it was 1 yr for "safety" was the interview).
A very interesting and stressful experience, I can only wish I was the person I am now, back then and see how differently the situation would have played out smile

elanfan

5,520 posts

227 months

Tuesday 18th February 2020
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janesmith1950 said:
bad company said:
I understand where your coming from but if the information the op gives is factual and accurate what’s the problem?
Why open yourself up to "he said, she said"? There are lots of potential downsides and no corresponding upsides.
The upside is the pleasure of knowing you’ve likely fked up a job application - fully deserved imho.

bad company

18,575 posts

266 months

Tuesday 18th February 2020
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elanfan said:
janesmith1950 said:
bad company said:
I understand where your coming from but if the information the op gives is factual and accurate what’s the problem?
Why open yourself up to "he said, she said"? There are lots of potential downsides and no corresponding upsides.
The upside is the pleasure of knowing you’ve likely fked up a job application - fully deserved imho.
Agree but JaneSmith’s comments are valid. I’d be tempted to answer they questions factually and honestly but verbally, not in writing.